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Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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The first week of the Tour is always a nightmare for some of the GC riders. Yesterday it was Porte and Contador for different reasons. It's not looking good for either rider but I hope they both keep fighting on. Contador's injuries have to improve in the next few days for him to have any hope. He did a good job minimizing the time loss as he seemed in a lot of pain at the finish.
 
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Stage and yellow on the ITT to Megéve. Maybe takes Saint-Gervais Mont Blanc le Bettex as well. Defends against Nairo waits until it's over to attack Quintana on the way up Joux Plane.
 
At the Giro I was very upset when Nibali won even though I've already considered that an impossibility. Ironically that memory is what gives hope in thinking although very tough but not impossible for Alberto. vamosssssss Alberto
 
Hopefully Alberto can recover from his wounds and not lose any more significant time this week. Then on Saturday, it would be great to see him light the fire at the foot of the Tourmalet and inflict pain of a different kind on the others, like he did in 2011 Stage 19.
 
Yingge said:
Hopefully Alberto can recover from his wounds and not lose any more significant time this week. Then on Saturday, it would be great to see him light the fire at the foot of the Tourmalet and inflict pain of a different kind on the others, like he did in 2011 Stage 19.
isn't boding well for finishing in the yellow jersey in paris. looks like the winning scheme since now is surviving in the pyrenees by minimizing losses, then striking in the alpes in full force.
 
Good to hear that he slept well !
I'm surprised at how many just write him off at the moment. A lot of things can happen in a long tour, even Chris Froome can have bad days, not to mention crash out.
IF he takes this tour after crashing on the first two days, it will be Hollywood-material indeed. So fingers crossed for Alberto here :)
 
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Armchaircyclist said:
Good to hear that he slept well !
I'm surprised at how many just write him off at the moment. A lot of things can happen in a long tour, even Chris Froome can have bad days, not to mention crash out.
IF he takes this tour after crashing on the first two days, it will be Hollywood-material indeed. So fingers crossed for Alberto here :)

I don't think many are completely writing him off, but losing 40+ seconds on a 2k climb does not bode well, he said yesterday after the stage that he is struggling to pedal the way he wants as he is so sore, it's surely very unlikely much will get better in 48 hours.

Hopefully he does recover a bit over the next 2 days because Wednesday's final 40k's are very testing and he could lose a lot of time there if his body is still hurting.
 
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Pricey_sky said:
Armchaircyclist said:
Good to hear that he slept well !
I'm surprised at how many just write him off at the moment. A lot of things can happen in a long tour, even Chris Froome can have bad days, not to mention crash out.
IF he takes this tour after crashing on the first two days, it will be Hollywood-material indeed. So fingers crossed for Alberto here :)

I don't think many are completely writing him off, but losing 40+ seconds on a 2k climb does not bode well, he said yesterday after the stage that he is struggling to pedal the way he wants as he is so sore, it's surely very unlikely much will get better in 48 hours.

Hopefully he does recover a bit over the next 2 days because Wednesday's final 40k's are very testing and he could lose a lot of time there if his body is still hurting.

I read that he can't stand properly when climbing. Not sure anyone mentioned it previously but that's massive if it's true and, if it continues, means his tour is done and dusted.
 
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Armchaircyclist said:
Good to hear that he slept well !
I'm surprised at how many just write him off at the moment. A lot of things can happen in a long tour, even Chris Froome can have bad days, not to mention crash out.
IF he takes this tour after crashing on the first two days, it will be Hollywood-material indeed. So fingers crossed for Alberto here :)

Of couse lot of things can happen... Lot of riders can fall, or lose time as Porte yesterday by a punture, getting ill, it is not as things start, but how finish... but the problem is, imagine Contador dont lose time this wesnesday, he is recovering, and he loss time in Pyrinees, and he do a good Alps and even wining the second ITT...he take risk in his strateghy but he dont win le Tour, or he is not even in the podium.. it is for sure, and of course with a good argument, that he couldnt fight for the victory for the crash, and it could be right or not, beciouse if he looks ok thi wesnesday and go up there with the best, it is difficul to think crash is afecting anymore...So we are always with the same discussion. We have olimpic a well and maybe Vueltam but the bet reference is le Tour.
 
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King Boonen said:
Pricey_sky said:
Armchaircyclist said:
Good to hear that he slept well !
I'm surprised at how many just write him off at the moment. A lot of things can happen in a long tour, even Chris Froome can have bad days, not to mention crash out.
IF he takes this tour after crashing on the first two days, it will be Hollywood-material indeed. So fingers crossed for Alberto here :)

I don't think many are completely writing him off, but losing 40+ seconds on a 2k climb does not bode well, he said yesterday after the stage that he is struggling to pedal the way he wants as he is so sore, it's surely very unlikely much will get better in 48 hours.

Hopefully he does recover a bit over the next 2 days because Wednesday's final 40k's are very testing and he could lose a lot of time there if his body is still hurting.

I read that he can't stand properly when climbing. Not sure anyone mentioned it previously but that's massive if it's true and, if it continues, means his tour is done and dusted.

Mmm, De Jongh said the following post stage (http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/super-sagan-takes-win-yellow-jersey-commanding-effort-tour-de-france-stage-2/):
After 55km Alberto had a bad crash again - a rider came down in front of him and he went over and hurt himself, it was just bad luck. That's the reason why in the final he couldn't stand up to climb and he blew his legs. That was the reason that he lost time.

How long he'll be unable to stand up, though, remains to be seen. Doesn't bode well regardless
 
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PremierAndrew said:
The Hitch said:
PremierAndrew said:
The Hitch said:
i'll say this.
IF Froome wins this TOur, there is no argument for Cotnador as far as 2010's go. Its a wash.

I'll still give Contador a chance to come back, or maybe quintana can hurt Froome's legacy, but if it happens. all the arguments about how Contador is better because in the least important gt he beat froome twice, while Froome's been dominating the one that actually matters, need to take a back seat

7 GTs over 3 Tours any day
Its 5, not 7 and 2 are asterixed

5? I already discounted 2010 and 2011

Nvm, just read that you're only talking about this decade, in which case I agree with your original post
Who looks at only one decade? Murray is about on par with Federer this decade. See how much it matters?
 
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infeXio said:
King Boonen said:
Pricey_sky said:
Armchaircyclist said:
Good to hear that he slept well !
I'm surprised at how many just write him off at the moment. A lot of things can happen in a long tour, even Chris Froome can have bad days, not to mention crash out.
IF he takes this tour after crashing on the first two days, it will be Hollywood-material indeed. So fingers crossed for Alberto here :)

I don't think many are completely writing him off, but losing 40+ seconds on a 2k climb does not bode well, he said yesterday after the stage that he is struggling to pedal the way he wants as he is so sore, it's surely very unlikely much will get better in 48 hours.

Hopefully he does recover a bit over the next 2 days because Wednesday's final 40k's are very testing and he could lose a lot of time there if his body is still hurting.

I read that he can't stand properly when climbing. Not sure anyone mentioned it previously but that's massive if it's true and, if it continues, means his tour is done and dusted.

Mmm, De Jongh said the following post stage (http://www.tinkoffteam.com/news/super-sagan-takes-win-yellow-jersey-commanding-effort-tour-de-france-stage-2/):
After 55km Alberto had a bad crash again - a rider came down in front of him and he went over and hurt himself, it was just bad luck. That's the reason why in the final he couldn't stand up to climb and he blew his legs. That was the reason that he lost time.

How long he'll be unable to stand up, though, remains to be seen. Doesn't bode well regardless

Thanks, that's what I saw but couldn't remember where. Doesn't bode well at all, especially as it's very difficult to know until the Tour hits the mountains.
 
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Red Rick said:
PremierAndrew said:
The Hitch said:
PremierAndrew said:
The Hitch said:
i'll say this.
IF Froome wins this TOur, there is no argument for Cotnador as far as 2010's go. Its a wash.

I'll still give Contador a chance to come back, or maybe quintana can hurt Froome's legacy, but if it happens. all the arguments about how Contador is better because in the least important gt he beat froome twice, while Froome's been dominating the one that actually matters, need to take a back seat

7 GTs over 3 Tours any day
Its 5, not 7 and 2 are asterixed

5? I already discounted 2010 and 2011

Nvm, just read that you're only talking about this decade, in which case I agree with your original post
Who looks at only one decade? Murray is about on par with Federer this decade. See how much it matters?

We all know (though can't say it) that Froome was "different" before 2011.

Obviously Contador's domination prior to that puts him over Froome career wise.

But Contador and Froome clearly have a rivalry and if Froome wins this Tour, then we can say he has absolutely dominated the rivalry. Even though Contador won gts back when Froome couldn't finish in the autobus, so he may retire the better rider, Froome dominated the rivalry (if he wins this tour).

Since you use a tennis example, well its like Nadal and Federer was in 2011. Federer had more grand slams and was the better all time player, but Nadal was dominating the rivalry and making Federer cry.

Only its even more one sided when it comes to Contador vs Froome.
 
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Billopoulos said:
From FB:
https://www.facebook.com/tinkoffsport/videos/vb.121540094614638/844411122327528/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1467453627261090

Anyone to translate what he says?
I can probably understand that the wounds are just superficial (?)

They ask how he woke up.
He answers - "bad"
He hopes to get better day by day. Thinks tomorrow will be easier. Says he thinks he has real good form (pre wounds of course). Wants to hang in there till Pyranees.
 
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Billopoulos said:
From FB:
https://www.facebook.com/tinkoffsport/videos/vb.121540094614638/844411122327528/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1467453627261090

Anyone to translate what he says?
I can probably understand that the wounds are just superficial (?)

Journo: Alberto, how did you get up today?

Contador: Well bad. In truth, I could sleep a little more than yesterday but on the other day was the right side, yesterday was the left. I don't have superficial wounds but I'm very sore, especially on ??? and we have a long day ahead of us, tomorrow another and I hope that little by little the body can stabilize and I hope that I can get better before the Pyrenees. On one side, I'm motivated, I'm in very good shape and with little weight but it's that that this Tour is putting my morale to test. It is many months of work, to get here and start this way but this is cycling and I want to thank everyone for their support, they are the ones who keep me motivated and we have to cross our fingers to have a calm day.

Journo: What do you think about the claims that if the team didn't set up Sagan you would have lost less time?

Contador: Yesterday was a difficult situation to control because it was in the last moments. It's good to achieve victories in the team and that type of things ??? (probably, doesn't matter).
 
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Sky will definitely go insane on wednesday to test Alberto, if they can eliminate him then they won't hesitate. But if he survives it, i think he'll be fine
 
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Ricco' said:
Billopoulos said:
From FB:
https://www.facebook.com/tinkoffsport/videos/vb.121540094614638/844411122327528/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1467453627261090

Anyone to translate what he says?
I can probably understand that the wounds are just superficial (?)

Journo: Alberto, how did you get up today?

Contador: Well bad. In truth, I could sleep a little more than yesterday but on the other day was the right side, yesterday was the left. I don't have superficial wounds but I'm very sore, especially on ??? .

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