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I highly doubt that you can get TV reception on the moon. :lol:Angliru said:
EDIT: I wasn't hating on him as such, just trying to make a terrible joke
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Pippo_San said:
In that case, I would love to have no credibility, be unable to win the Tour anymore, be no champion, and don't have the heart of the champ when it matters the most
So, Little bit of useless statistic:
Last three times Contador has been unable to ride/finish the Tour he's gone on to win the Vuelta.
Last three times Contador has been unable to ride/finish the Tour he's gone on to win the Vuelta.
What a missed opportunity by going to Trek instead of Astana. The AC/Superman combo at the tour next year would have been beautiful (I'm assuming Aru wants the 100th giro)
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I love how Contadors fanboys are ignoring or denying anything that doesn't glorify his image even if they now it's probably true. I don't really know thread of other champions like Froome, so I can't say if it's exceptional or not, but this is hilarious.
Anyway, did Alberto fall so much in first years of his career? I don't think so. I think that might be sign of nervosity because he was no longer convinced he's stronger than Frooma or Quintana. He too sees own decline, or other riders rise.
I am not, he's on par or better than Contador if it is not in Spain.mufana said:
I love how Contadors fanboys are ignoring or denying anything that doesn't glorify his image even if they now it's probably true. I don't really know thread of other champions like Froome, so I can't say if it's exceptional or not, but this is hilarious.
Anyway, did Alberto fall so much in first years of his career? I don't think so. I think that might be sign of nervosity because he was no longer convinced he's stronger than Frooma or Quintana. He too sees own decline, or other riders rise.
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1) No he is not. Especially not on these parcours. Let Krujswijk win once first. I am not high on him as a GC contender, bar in the Giro. Contador will wreck him anyday in this upcoming Vuelta.
2) Your last point is also pretty questionable. I don't think the reason why he is crashing more is 'he is nervous about Froome and Quintana'. Cycling has changed dramatically since 2007, part bad luck, part bike handling which apparently isn't as good as we all thought it was.
Kokoso said:
1) No he is not. Especially not on these parcours. Let Krujswijk win once first. I am not high on him as a GC contender, bar in the Giro. Contador will wreck him anyday in this upcoming Vuelta.
2) Your last point is also pretty questionable. I don't think the reason why he is crashing more is 'he is nervous about Froome and Quintana'. Cycling has changed dramatically since 2007, part bad luck, part bike handling which apparently isn't as good as we all thought it was.
Such an outrage amongst Velasco's fans!
Hilarious.
And not a single interesting reply cause you know, what I actually stated stands true.
Another thing to reflect upon. I've never seen someone with a fever going on a full genius attack like him.
Even his team totally abandoned him. Go figure.
He just isn't there anymore.
It's over, deal with it.
Hilarious.
And not a single interesting reply cause you know, what I actually stated stands true.
Another thing to reflect upon. I've never seen someone with a fever going on a full genius attack like him.
Even his team totally abandoned him. Go figure.
He just isn't there anymore.
It's over, deal with it.
Yes, Alberto is declining there is no doubt about that. Regardless, 10 years in the spotlight, winning against every single one rider to come and go since. Alberto will be declared World Heritage when he retires, whether it is to your liking or not.
The ***-ton of stuff he has accomplished encourages multiple debates. A man such as Wiggins who will become irrelevant in the history of cycling in say 10 years can't bring as much to the table.
The ***-ton of stuff he has accomplished encourages multiple debates. A man such as Wiggins who will become irrelevant in the history of cycling in say 10 years can't bring as much to the table.
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I heard someone say on tv (eurosport I think) that he's not the rider for Tour where everything is controlled by Sky and so predictable. It's difficult for someone like him (who rides with hearth and passion) to go up against them. A Giro or Vuelta is more unpredictable. Hence why Sky hasn't been able to win tours like those.
But I don't know. I don't think he's nervous. Why should he be? There's always gonna be someone out there who's younger. And at the of 33 he's still world class. Winning the Giro like he did last year was amazing. So decline!? I don't see any decline. Almost every race he rides he's top 5. Even in 2013 which is considered his worst ever year. That's the mark of a great racer.
Kokoso said:
I heard someone say on tv (eurosport I think) that he's not the rider for Tour where everything is controlled by Sky and so predictable. It's difficult for someone like him (who rides with hearth and passion) to go up against them. A Giro or Vuelta is more unpredictable. Hence why Sky hasn't been able to win tours like those.
But I don't know. I don't think he's nervous. Why should he be? There's always gonna be someone out there who's younger. And at the of 33 he's still world class. Winning the Giro like he did last year was amazing. So decline!? I don't see any decline. Almost every race he rides he's top 5. Even in 2013 which is considered his worst ever year. That's the mark of a great racer.
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" part bike handling which apparently isn't as good as we all thought it was." Has it come to your mind that it could got worse?
I'm aware of that and that's how I wrote that the way I did.Valv.Piti said:
" part bike handling which apparently isn't as good as we all thought it was." Has it come to your mind that it could got worse?
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Hmm, whatever. Im no Contador-fan, but not as fierce as a hater like you by any stretch (I assume its cause of Kreuzi). All I say is the assumption of Contador being scared of x rider = more crashes is pretty hilarious and, if you looked at the race profiles of the Vuelta, Contador is much, much suited to that race than Kruijswijk.
Kokoso said:I'm aware of that and that's how I wrote that the way I did.Valv.Piti said:
" part bike handling which apparently isn't as good as we all thought it was." Has it come to your mind that it could got worse?
Hmm, whatever. Im no Contador-fan, but not as fierce as a hater like you by any stretch (I assume its cause of Kreuzi). All I say is the assumption of Contador being scared of x rider = more crashes is pretty hilarious and, if you looked at the race profiles of the Vuelta, Contador is much, much suited to that race than Kruijswijk.
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Sometimes people ignore a post like your previous one because it's so ridiculous - it's not worth responding to. If you paid attention to what's going on through out the cycling year, you would see why AC hasn't been so hot at the Tour in recent years. Post ban there's only been one year where he was terrible and it was all his fault - 2013. Every other year there has been obvious reasons as to why he didn't perform.
Pippo_San said:
Sometimes people ignore a post like your previous one because it's so ridiculous - it's not worth responding to. If you paid attention to what's going on through out the cycling year, you would see why AC hasn't been so hot at the Tour in recent years. Post ban there's only been one year where he was terrible and it was all his fault - 2013. Every other year there has been obvious reasons as to why he didn't perform.
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ad 1) of course it's harder to ride against strong team which controlls race.
ad 2) that part with heart and passion...unnecessarily theatrical. Maybe Sky is winning Tour because they every year employ there their strongest team and strongest leader at best shape.
ad 3) why should be nervous? Because he feels there are better riders and his position as top dog is threatened.
No one says he isn't top class, you don't have to defend him against non existent accusations. Compare for example his last year Giro win with 2011 and you will see why he is declining.
mufana said:
ad 1) of course it's harder to ride against strong team which controlls race.
ad 2) that part with heart and passion...unnecessarily theatrical. Maybe Sky is winning Tour because they every year employ there their strongest team and strongest leader at best shape.
ad 3) why should be nervous? Because he feels there are better riders and his position as top dog is threatened.
No one says he isn't top class, you don't have to defend him against non existent accusations. Compare for example his last year Giro win with 2011 and you will see why he is declining.
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Yes, it's because of Kreuziger, you can put it this way, but also you can put it like this: it's because of Contador, because probably it was his decision to behave as behaved. If any rider behaved like he did, it would be the same.
I looked at the profile and that's one reason why I said Spain is exception.Valv.Piti said:Kokoso said:I'm aware of that and that's how I wrote that the way I did.Valv.Piti said:
" part bike handling which apparently isn't as good as we all thought it was." Has it come to your mind that it could got worse?
Hmm, whatever. Im no Contador-fan, but not as fierce as a hater like you by any stretch (I assume its cause of Kreuzi). All I say is the assumption of Contador being scared of x rider = more crashes is pretty hilarious and, if you looked at the race profiles of the Vuelta, Contador is much, much suited to that race than Kruijswijk.
Yes, it's because of Kreuziger, you can put it this way, but also you can put it like this: it's because of Contador, because probably it was his decision to behave as behaved. If any rider behaved like he did, it would be the same.
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So, first you agree (ad1) and then you disagree (ad2).
And as far as (ad3)... I can't imagine someone experienced as Contador feeling nervous and crashing his bike because there are a few riders who maybe better then he is. If you don't want to get up against guys who 'maybe' are better then you, what's the point in doing pro sports? Defeat is part of the job. The one thing that motivates any athlete is the believe they can still kick arse.
Kokoso said:
So, first you agree (ad1) and then you disagree (ad2).
And as far as (ad3)... I can't imagine someone experienced as Contador feeling nervous and crashing his bike because there are a few riders who maybe better then he is. If you don't want to get up against guys who 'maybe' are better then you, what's the point in doing pro sports? Defeat is part of the job. The one thing that motivates any athlete is the believe they can still kick arse.
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I recall Froome crashing multiple times in 2014. Was that also due to nervousness and fear of one's opponent? Contador's first crash came in a high speed corner going onto a road divided by a raised island. In the split second he had to make a decision, he chose to brake to avoid having his speed take him into the curbed island. I can relate I had similar crash where I was taken wide on a turn with the curb fast approaching. The natural instinct is to brake. In hindsight I could've jumped the curb into an open field but that thought came after my crash. All you see is the oncoming obstacle. Contador could've jumped that curb/island ala the man in my avatar, but if I rcall correctly he may have gone into the corner with someone on his shoulder which would have meant taking that rider out had he jumped the island. That rider probably was taken out anyway but that certainly wasn't his intent.
My point is crashes happen. Nibali crashes. The best bike handlers will hit the pavement eventually. It is often beyond one's control.
As far as Contador being in decline, of course he is. He's been racing at the elite level and winning grand tours for 10 years. To say he's "done", "washed up", "a has-been", ignores the fact that just last year he won the Giro and then still finished the Tour ahead of multiple riders chasing gc glory that focused only on the Tour. What is funny is that his previous level was so high that some of the morons on here see his Giro win as a sign of failure and his impending fall from grace.
It's sad and pathetic in a time of a riders trouble that there are so many that take it as an opportunity to pile on the bs denigration and revel in this riders pain. Says a lot about the sad cases that take such pleasure in another's pain and suffering.
Kokoso said:
I recall Froome crashing multiple times in 2014. Was that also due to nervousness and fear of one's opponent? Contador's first crash came in a high speed corner going onto a road divided by a raised island. In the split second he had to make a decision, he chose to brake to avoid having his speed take him into the curbed island. I can relate I had similar crash where I was taken wide on a turn with the curb fast approaching. The natural instinct is to brake. In hindsight I could've jumped the curb into an open field but that thought came after my crash. All you see is the oncoming obstacle. Contador could've jumped that curb/island ala the man in my avatar, but if I rcall correctly he may have gone into the corner with someone on his shoulder which would have meant taking that rider out had he jumped the island. That rider probably was taken out anyway but that certainly wasn't his intent.
My point is crashes happen. Nibali crashes. The best bike handlers will hit the pavement eventually. It is often beyond one's control.
As far as Contador being in decline, of course he is. He's been racing at the elite level and winning grand tours for 10 years. To say he's "done", "washed up", "a has-been", ignores the fact that just last year he won the Giro and then still finished the Tour ahead of multiple riders chasing gc glory that focused only on the Tour. What is funny is that his previous level was so high that some of the morons on here see his Giro win as a sign of failure and his impending fall from grace.
It's sad and pathetic in a time of a riders trouble that there are so many that take it as an opportunity to pile on the bs denigration and revel in this riders pain. Says a lot about the sad cases that take such pleasure in another's pain and suffering.
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Sky has more trouble winning the Giro or Vuelta, because they focus on the Tour, which is by far the most important GT. It's obvious.
If they focused on another GT they'd probably win it.
And since the majority of riders focus on the Tour, that leaves a relatively average field to the other GTs, with riders whose form isn't as high as in the Tour, which means the standard deviation of physical capacity to win it is lower, hence the apparent higher unpredictability, when in fact the field is more equal.
Were Froome and Quintana riding the Giro or the Vuelta in peak form and one can state with a high probability that one of them would win it, making the race more "predictable".
mufana said:
Sky has more trouble winning the Giro or Vuelta, because they focus on the Tour, which is by far the most important GT. It's obvious.
If they focused on another GT they'd probably win it.
And since the majority of riders focus on the Tour, that leaves a relatively average field to the other GTs, with riders whose form isn't as high as in the Tour, which means the standard deviation of physical capacity to win it is lower, hence the apparent higher unpredictability, when in fact the field is more equal.
Were Froome and Quintana riding the Giro or the Vuelta in peak form and one can state with a high probability that one of them would win it, making the race more "predictable".
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FERGOOSE: Nibali came to the Tour to support Aru.
Contador came to the Tour to challenge for it. Once Contador's crashes and physical condition eliminated him from contention, he abandoned the race, in my opinion a few days too late, showing to me his incredible guts (and questionable decision-making in this instance), and so he could rest, recuperate and prepare for the Vuelta.
Further, I don't see Contador as ever being interested in the KOM or a stage win. He's an all-time Champion, the best Grand Tour rider I've ever seen, better than Armstrong or Indurain. The day Alberto starts going for KOMs or stage wins is the day AFTER I hope he retires.
I don't see Nibali's situation as analagous to Contador's at all, but appreciate your differing view.
Fergoose said:
FERGOOSE: Nibali came to the Tour to support Aru.
Contador came to the Tour to challenge for it. Once Contador's crashes and physical condition eliminated him from contention, he abandoned the race, in my opinion a few days too late, showing to me his incredible guts (and questionable decision-making in this instance), and so he could rest, recuperate and prepare for the Vuelta.
Further, I don't see Contador as ever being interested in the KOM or a stage win. He's an all-time Champion, the best Grand Tour rider I've ever seen, better than Armstrong or Indurain. The day Alberto starts going for KOMs or stage wins is the day AFTER I hope he retires.
I don't see Nibali's situation as analagous to Contador's at all, but appreciate your differing view.
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In my opinion, KOKOSO, professional cycling principally is about money, not gratitude. I believe Tinkoff and the rest of Tinkoff's sponsors much rather would have Contador win the Vuelta than help his teammates at the Tour. Kreuziger isn't good enough to help, and how much could Alberto help Sagan, given that Alberto is not much of a flat rider?
Plus, the Tinkoff team is disbanding. Kreuziger already was riding for himself, even against team orders. Helping teammates on a defunct team in contravention of the interests of the sponsors, even if only around for another few months, doesn't make sense to me.
Kokoso said:
In my opinion, KOKOSO, professional cycling principally is about money, not gratitude. I believe Tinkoff and the rest of Tinkoff's sponsors much rather would have Contador win the Vuelta than help his teammates at the Tour. Kreuziger isn't good enough to help, and how much could Alberto help Sagan, given that Alberto is not much of a flat rider?
Plus, the Tinkoff team is disbanding. Kreuziger already was riding for himself, even against team orders. Helping teammates on a defunct team in contravention of the interests of the sponsors, even if only around for another few months, doesn't make sense to me.
Pippo_San said:
Pippo_San said:
Are you serious? Horner was 43 when he won a GT. Wake-up!
The man is a legend. The real cycling world is happy with the fact that he won't retire this season.
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