Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[silvergrenade]

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People talk like this vuelta is already over

We don't know how the crash in the tour still affected him and we don't know how this crash 3 days ago affected him.

Yet he was still the 2nd best yesterday at lagos, yet people talk like he ended in the grupetto

Oh my God! :surprised: It takes a hell of a rider to finish 8th on a climb 1min after winner, while he is actually 2nd strongest! Don't know whether to cry or to laugh :lol:

It's rather simple, but no point discussing anything with someone who can't understand such a simple thing

@Mr. White; its not really Contadors fault if he doesnt have speed in his legs or if he got dehydrated or his HB reached 500 bpm, now is it?

 

[Mr.White]

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That accelaration of quintana after Contador attacked, that one destroyed Contador. If Quintana pushed for 2 more sec he was done then already.

But yea i'm convinced Contador was better than Froome sunday, don't forget that Froome was being pushed by teammates too.

I'm really puzzled, not sure if I'm the only one...? I thought the measurement of the sport is still counted around who gets to finish line fastest? How can Contador be better than Froome, Valverde, Scarponi and Chaves yesterday? I really want to understand the way you think getting into this conclusion.

And for the record, I don't hate AC, seeing the last pages I felt like needing to ensure that.

Everything is possible here, in this special thread :lol: I'm wondering something though, maybe Gesink was the strongest yesterday, I mean he was longest in the lead. And then the great Alberto

 

[silvergrenade]

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That accelaration of quintana after Contador attacked, that one destroyed Contador. If Quintana pushed for 2 more sec he was done then already.

But yea i'm convinced Contador was better than Froome sunday, don't forget that Froome was being pushed by teammates too.

I'm really puzzled, not sure if I'm the only one...? I thought the measurement of the sport is still counted around who gets to finish line fastest? How can Contador be better than Froome, Valverde, Scarponi and Chaves yesterday? I really want to understand the way you think getting into this conclusion.

And for the record, I don't hate AC, seeing the last pages I felt like needing to ensure that.

Everything is possible here, in this special thread :lol: I'm wondering something though, maybe Gesink was the strongest yesterday, I mean he was longest in the lead. And then the great Alberto

Usain Bolt should run the marathon and run it like a 100m sprint. According to this forum, Bolt will be second best, next only to the winner. Ridiculous. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bambino]

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That accelaration of quintana after Contador attacked, that one destroyed Contador. If Quintana pushed for 2 more sec he was done then already.

But yea i'm convinced Contador was better than Froome sunday, don't forget that Froome was being pushed by teammates too.

I'm really puzzled, not sure if I'm the only one...? I thought the measurement of the sport is still counted around who gets to finish line fastest? How can Contador be better than Froome, Valverde, Scarponi and Chaves yesterday? I really want to understand the way you think getting into this conclusion.

And for the record, I don't hate AC, seeing the last pages I felt like needing to ensure that.

Everything is possible here, in this special thread :lol: I'm wondering something though, maybe Gesink was the strongest yesterday, I mean he was longest in the lead. And then the great Alberto

Usain Bolt should run the marathon and run it like a 100m sprint. According to this forum, Bolt will be second best, next only to the winner. Ridiculous. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I was actually thinking of starting cycling as well, drive like animal for the first 500m. I would probably get good money being always 2nd best.

 

[Jspear]

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That accelaration of quintana after Contador attacked, that one destroyed Contador. If Quintana pushed for 2 more sec he was done then already.

But yea i'm convinced Contador was better than Froome sunday, don't forget that Froome was being pushed by teammates too.

I'm really puzzled, not sure if I'm the only one...? I thought the measurement of the sport is still counted around who gets to finish line fastest? How can Contador be better than Froome, Valverde, Scarponi and Chaves yesterday? I really want to understand the way you think getting into this conclusion.

And for the record, I don't hate AC, seeing the last pages I felt like needing to ensure that.

Everything is possible here, in this special thread :lol: I'm wondering something though, maybe Gesink was the strongest yesterday, I mean he was longest in the lead. And then the great Alberto

Usain Bolt should run the marathon and run it like a 100m sprint. According to this forum, Bolt will be second best, next only to the winner. Ridiculous. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I was actually thinking of starting cycling as well, drive like animal for the first 500m. I would probably get good money being always 2nd best.

Alright I'll explain it for you. When people here say AC was the 2nd strongest climber yesterday; they mean just that - we are talking raw power. Now, someone might be strong, but let's say they over do it trying to follow someone who is even stronger - someone like Quintana. That effort might force them into the red. No one is saying AC had the 2nd best result yesterday. That would be plain stupid.

I'm not sure how much of the race you watched, but AC was very strong in the earlier parts of the climb. He attacked, he followed Quintana's attacks. Froome was smart - he knew he wasn't as strong as Quintana and AC so he measured his efforts. He rode within himself. AC wasn't smart. He tried too hard. The end result was smarts beating desperation.

In cycling it's not always about being the strongest.

 

[Singer01]

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Unlike some other Great riders in modern cycling, Contador showed unparalleled mental toughness and tactical abbility to overcome riders with the same strength as him during races.

A peak Contador (lets say 2009, 2011 or 2014) would have annihilated psychologically a peak Froome, driving him to commit errors, in the same way a peak Larry Bird would have abused a peak LeBron James.

Note that the comparison has to be made assuming same quality in team.

not this nonsense again, a 2014 peak contador would have done what to froome exactly, hang on for dear life then still get beat in the sprint.
its this sort of absolute horseshite that makes most right thinking posters despair of the very vocal minority of nut jobs who have about 200 pairs of blinkers on when it comes to discussing contador.

 

[silvergrenade]

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Every sport is about being exceptional both mentally as well as physically as well as emotionally. If you cant control your power and cant control your ego, your body, your mind;how can you be the best athlete??
Once, twice is fine; everybody makes mistakes, Contador can too. Everytime making that mistake going uphill is something serious.
Infinite fan boyism calling him the 2nd best when he clearly wasn't is the issue here. The sport isn't about the sprint; its about the marathon.
Peace.

 

[DFA123]

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Alright I'll explain it for you. When people here say AC was the 2nd strongest climber yesterday; they mean just that - we are talking raw power. Now, someone might be strong, but let's say they over do it trying to follow someone who is even stronger - someone like Quintana. That effort might force them into the red. No one is saying AC had the 2nd best result yesterday. That would be plain stupid.

Problem is, that's assuming that everyone else rode the race as tactically well as they possibly could have done, and got the best time they could have done. We don't know that they did; in fact, the probability is that they didn't. So the only objective thing we have to go on to judge who was the strongest is the results.

 

[bambino]

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Alright I'll explain it for you. When people here say AC was the 2nd strongest climber yesterday; they mean just that - we are talking raw power. Now, someone might be strong, but let's say they over do it trying to follow someone who is even stronger - someone like Quintana. That effort might force them into the red. No one is saying AC had the 2nd best result yesterday. That would be plain stupid.

I'm not sure how much of the race you watched, but AC was very strong in the earlier parts of the climb. He attacked, he followed Quintana's attacks. Froome was smart - he knew he wasn't as strong as Quintana and AC so he measured his efforts. He rode within himself. AC wasn't smart. He tried too hard. The end result was smarts beating desperation.

In cycling it's not always about being the strongest.[/quote]

2 pages ago Miburo said 2nd best, no word about strongest.

+ this sport to me is still about who gets to finish first, not about who can produce most watts in peak. I'm sure there would've been some guys in the pack who could've produced even better power for very short period of time and then cracked (just like Alberto).

 

[carton]

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So in this view, Lance still, has 7, Floyd 1[/b] (he did make the podium), Femke is the European U23 Champion and Rosie Ruiz won the 1980 Boston Marathon? Or is this more on a case-by-case strength-based judgement, but with the podium shot as a sine qua non?

Can't speak for the other two but to the bolded the answer is yes.

Interesting reply. Just one follow up, if I may. I assume you know who Femke Van den Driessche is. You can't speak on her because you don't have enough information on the relative strengths of the women's U23 CX field? Or is it because of something regarding her particular avenue towards success?

 

[Miburo]

Tomorrow gonna be fun, i was too early. The vuelta isn't over yet, if quintana didn't race the tour it would be over.

But despite his great form, it's very possible he'll feel the tour eventually.

I've to enjoy this, it won't be long before his career is over although we're in a dark timeline now.

But you know before the sun rises, it's darkest or something like that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Tomorrow gonna be fun, i was too early. The vuelta isn't over yet, if quintana didn't race the tour it would be over.

But despite his great form, it's very possible he'll feel the tour eventually.

I've to enjoy this, it won't be long before his career is over although we're in a dark timeline now.

But you know before the sun rises, it's darkest or something like that.

This. No matter the result, I want to enjoy watching him race.

 

[buchanan]

Hilarious that some people still think Contador was the 2nd best climber yesterday. This thread is highly amusing at times.

 

[Taxus4a]

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That accelaration of quintana after Contador attacked, that one destroyed Contador. If Quintana pushed for 2 more sec he was done then already.

But yea i'm convinced Contador was better than Froome sunday, don't forget that Froome was being pushed by teammates too.

That attack by Quintana, I'm amazed Alberto managed to follow. Compare it to Alberto's attack just a few seconds earlier. I guess Alberto didn't go all out because his legs seemed so heavy and he followed Quintana's attack which had way more spark.

Becouse Contador has a strog attack, but he go to less later always...

If everybody is tired after a battle, the Froome attack is more powerfull, but just in that case.

 

[saganboss]

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Hilarious that some people still think Contador was the 2nd best climber yesterday. This thread is highly amusing at times.

so because pardilla finished ahead of froome in camperona he is a better climber than froome. if you think that you're delusional

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador came into the Vuelta looking sharp, but hitting the deck in a high-speed impact came at the absolute worst time. His body is covered in scrapes and bruises, and he’s been racing with physio-tape wrapping up his left leg and arm. The day after the crash, Contador posted a series of blistering comments on Twitter about how dangerous the sprints have become. When asked Tuesday, Contador expanded his thoughts, even suggesting that race organizers use crashes to promote their events.

“Cycling in the past few years has changed. Before, the GC riders used to stay back, but now there are some who seem to try to take a few seconds in the sprint finishes,” Contador said. “I am not one to criticize the tactics of others, everyone can do what they want, but what is true is that the sprinters don’t want us [GC riders] fighting for position with them in the sprint.

“These are moments of a lot of tension, and it creates a lot of risk. Is it a spectacle when a GC rider goes home as a result of a crash?” Contador continued. “You see the promotion videos of races, they always include the crashes of the previous edition. If the spectacle of the race is the crash, perhaps we should think about this.”


http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/08/news/defiant-contador-vows-go-swinging-takes-swipe-sprint-rules_419315#rsT4ezXJqmeHdEvk.99

 

[DFA123]

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Contador came into the Vuelta looking sharp, but hitting the deck in a high-speed impact came at the absolute worst time. His body is covered in scrapes and bruises, and he’s been racing with physio-tape wrapping up his left leg and arm. The day after the crash, Contador posted a series of blistering comments on Twitter about how dangerous the sprints have become. When asked Tuesday, Contador expanded his thoughts, even suggesting that race organizers use crashes to promote their events.

“Cycling in the past few years has changed. Before, the GC riders used to stay back, but now there are some who seem to try to take a few seconds in the sprint finishes,” Contador said. “I am not one to criticize the tactics of others, everyone can do what they want, but what is true is that the sprinters don’t want us [GC riders] fighting for position with them in the sprint.

“These are moments of a lot of tension, and it creates a lot of risk. Is it a spectacle when a GC rider goes home as a result of a crash?” Contador continued. “You see the promotion videos of races, they always include the crashes of the previous edition. If the spectacle of the race is the crash, perhaps we should think about this.”


http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/08/news/defiant-contador-vows-go-swinging-takes-swipe-sprint-rules_419315#rsT4ezXJqmeHdEvk.99

lol, the results summary at the top of that page is ridiculous.

 

[buchanan]

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Hilarious that some people still think Contador was the 2nd best climber yesterday. This thread is highly amusing at times.

so because pardilla finished ahead of froome in camperona he is a better climber than froome. if you think that you're delusional

There is a lot of delusion in this thread, but it's not coming from me.

 

[IMA]

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Tomorrow gonna be fun, i was too early. The vuelta isn't over yet, if quintana didn't race the tour it would be over.

But despite his great form, it's very possible he'll feel the tour eventually.

I've to enjoy this, it won't be long before his career is over although we're in a dark timeline now.

But you know before the sun rises, it's darkest or something like that.

This. No matter the result, I want to enjoy watching him race.

Exactly.


“The journey is better than the inn".

 

[KyoGrey]

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Unlike some other Great riders in modern cycling, Contador showed unparalleled mental toughness and tactical abbility to overcome riders with the same strength as him during races.

A peak Contador (lets say 2009, 2011 or 2014) would have annihilated psychologically a peak Froome, driving him to commit errors, in the same way a peak Larry Bird would have abused a peak LeBron James.

Note that the comparison has to be made assuming same quality in team.

not this nonsense again, a 2014 peak contador would have done what to froome exactly, hang on for dear life then still get beat in the sprint.
its this sort of absolute horseshite that makes most right thinking posters despair of the very vocal minority of nut jobs who have about 200 pairs of blinkers on when it comes to discussing contador.

Thankyou for your kind words, specially the horseshit reference.

In 2014, Contador was superb during the whole season, including the Lanciano exhibición, in Gaintza against Valverde and in the Dauphiné finale against basically everyone including Froome.

But I guess Im just talking *** as I am clearly a nutjob. He would have hanged for his dear life in order to follow Froome.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Unlike some other Great riders in modern cycling, Contador showed unparalleled mental toughness and tactical abbility to overcome riders with the same strength as him during races.

A peak Contador (lets say 2009, 2011 or 2014) would have annihilated psychologically a peak Froome, driving him to commit errors, in the same way a peak Larry Bird would have abused a peak LeBron James.

Note that the comparison has to be made assuming same quality in team.

not this nonsense again, a 2014 peak contador would have done what to froome exactly, hang on for dear life then still get beat in the sprint.
its this sort of absolute horseshite that makes most right thinking posters despair of the very vocal minority of nut jobs who have about 200 pairs of blinkers on when it comes to discussing contador.

Thankyou for your kind words, specially the horseshit reference.

In 2014, Contador was superb during the whole season, including the Lanciano exhibición, in Gaintza against Valverde and in the Dauphiné finale against basically everyone including Froome.

But I guess Im just talking **** as I am clearly a nutjob. He would have hanged for his dear life in order to follow Froome.

Contador hung on for dear life to Froome's wheel on stage 2, and still couldn't come around him in the sprint. This after being beaten in the TT the day before. How that translates to 'Contador was clearly better than Froome', idk

 

[KyoGrey]

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Unlike some other Great riders in modern cycling, Contador showed unparalleled mental toughness and tactical abbility to overcome riders with the same strength as him during races.

A peak Contador (lets say 2009, 2011 or 2014) would have annihilated psychologically a peak Froome, driving him to commit errors, in the same way a peak Larry Bird would have abused a peak LeBron James.

Note that the comparison has to be made assuming same quality in team.

not this nonsense again, a 2014 peak contador would have done what to froome exactly, hang on for dear life then still get beat in the sprint.
its this sort of absolute horseshite that makes most right thinking posters despair of the very vocal minority of nut jobs who have about 200 pairs of blinkers on when it comes to discussing contador.

Thankyou for your kind words, specially the horseshit reference.

In 2014, Contador was superb during the whole season, including the Lanciano exhibición, in Gaintza against Valverde and in the Dauphiné finale against basically everyone including Froome.

But I guess Im just talking **** as I am clearly a nutjob. He would have hanged for his dear life in order to follow Froome.

Contador hung on for dear life to Froome's wheel on stage 2, and still couldn't come around him in the sprint. This after being beaten in the TT the day before. How that translates to 'Contador was clearly better than Froome', idk

So Chris Froome was better than Alberto Contador in the 2014 Dauphiné Libéré now?

 

[Ariane]

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For god's sake the ignorant haters are out to play again. Just go away.

Alberto responds to the people who say he should retire:

"Sinceramente, si acabara mi carrera con un abandono en el Tour y una mala posición Vuelta no me gustaría para nada. Por eso, también pienso en 2017"
"Honestly, if I would end my career with an abandon at the Tour and a bad position at the Vuelta I wouldn't like it at all. Because of this, I also think about 2017.

From that it sounds like he has given up on this Vuelta already. He should at least respect his current team and fight for a podium.

Yes where did you read he won't respect his team? He even said he will try everything to achieve as much as possible but the parcours isn't in his advantage.

It just seems a strange thing to say in the middle of the race, that he's looking forward to next season because he doesn't want to finish his career with a bad result in the Vuelta. It's the kind of thing you say after the race, not when you're 5th and in with a chance of the podium.

And moaning about the parcours is pretty poor form as well; it's probably more suitable for him than it is for Quintana, who's just getting on with it quietly and winning the race.

I seem to remember a certain Quintana complaining about the Tour parcours: "Too many villages; too many flat, windy etapes etc.he was exhausted; he was sick; he nearly abandoned...

 

[Ariane]

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I think Damian has a point here, Alberto isn't much of a leader. He has a very strong personality but that doesn't make someone a leader. Part of the blame definitely falls on him

What kreuziger did, with the tweet is rather pety, how pathetic

Baden Cooke's cycling dream team:June 06 2016

Leader: Alberto Contador

Alberto Contador was someone who really impressed me immensely. In team meetings for example, he would really take charge and go around the room, pointing out to each rider what he was expecting of him, what they did or didn't do right the day before. He really put a lot of pressure on his teammates, but in a good way. He was probably the best leader I've ridden for in the way he conducted himself. He was just a ferocious competitor, never say die and just hard. Despite all his talent, he's just hard.

I think he can just go to the next level, he's extremely impressive.

It certainly makes you go deeper when he's sitting on your wheel and you're drilling it for him. It makes you go that little bit further, that little bit deeper because it's probably going to blow everyone's doors off and put him in a better spot. It's really motivating.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Contador hung on for dear life to Froome's wheel on stage 2, and still couldn't come around him in the sprint. This after being beaten in the TT the day before. How that translates to 'Contador was clearly better than Froome', idk

So Chris Froome was better than Alberto Contador in the 2014 Dauphiné Libéré now?

So was Alberto Contador better than Tejay Van Garderen in the 2016 Tour de France now? Comparing them after Froome's crash is ridiculous. Froome was clearly the stronger of the two before his crash