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Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English
 
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Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I can believe that. The no announcement does not add up. I suspect its a money issue (isn't it always?). They are offering far lower, AC says if I get a GT it shows I am worth Bazulions. We see what the final numbers are.
 
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jilbiker said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I can believe that. The no announcement does not add up. I suspect its a money issue (isn't it always?). They are offering far lower, AC says if I get a GT it shows I am worth Bazulions. We see what the final numbers are.
Perhaps that's also why he's getting cozy with Quintana. If Trek falls through, he might be looking to get a gig at Movistar - leading them in the Giro and being a super-dom in the Tour.
 
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DFA123 said:
jilbiker said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I can believe that. The no announcement does not add up. I suspect its a money issue (isn't it always?). They are offering far lower, AC says if I get a GT it shows I am worth Bazulions. We see what the final numbers are.
Perhaps that's also why he's getting cozy with Quintana. If Trek falls through, he might be looking to get a gig at Movistar - leading them in the Giro and being a super-dom in the Tour.

I seriously doubt this. There is no way he is actively advocating to be a super-dom for anyone.
 
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VayaVayaVaya said:
DFA123 said:
jilbiker said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I can believe that. The no announcement does not add up. I suspect its a money issue (isn't it always?). They are offering far lower, AC says if I get a GT it shows I am worth Bazulions. We see what the final numbers are.
Perhaps that's also why he's getting cozy with Quintana. If Trek falls through, he might be looking to get a gig at Movistar - leading them in the Giro and being a super-dom in the Tour.

I seriously doubt this. There is no way he is actively advocating to be a super-dom for anyone.

Is Bala retiring this year? if not i think no chance this happens
 
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Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I have already addressed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. That deal is dependent on his performance in this vuelta, since he retired from the Tour. Since he is old, Trek needs to know if his capacity has decreased since 2015.
 
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DFA123 said:
jilbiker said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I can believe that. The no announcement does not add up. I suspect its a money issue (isn't it always?). They are offering far lower, AC says if I get a GT it shows I am worth Bazulions. We see what the final numbers are.
Perhaps that's also why he's getting cozy with Quintana. If Trek falls through, he might be looking to get a gig at Movistar - leading them in the Giro and being a super-dom in the Tour.
Bahahaha :D no offense, but there is literally no way that happens
 
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lenric said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I have already addressed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. That deal is dependent on his performance in this vuelta, since he retired from the Tour. Since he is old, Trek needs to know if his capacity has decreased since 2015.
So why did the Trek manager (Guercilena) say "with a rider like him, we don't have to wait till after the Tour to sign him, we know what he is worth"

It's a bit odd, many times it's been confirmed he's signed already (by De Jongh, Pantano...) but there were also rumors Contador contacted Astana after the Tour but Vino didn't have the money/room.
 
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lenric said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I have already addressed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. That deal is dependent on his performance in this vuelta, since he retired from the Tour. Since he is old, Trek needs to know if his capacity has decreased since 2015.
The 2nd place in this Vuelta looks sweeter than ever!

Time to refocus Berto!
 
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Escarabajo said:
lenric said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I have already addressed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. That deal is dependent on his performance in this vuelta, since he retired from the Tour. Since he is old, Trek needs to know if his capacity has decreased since 2015.
The 2nd place in this Vuelta looks sweeter than ever!

Time to refocus Berto!
Lol
 
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LaFlorecita said:
lenric said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I have already addressed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. That deal is dependent on his performance in this vuelta, since he retired from the Tour. Since he is old, Trek needs to know if his capacity has decreased since 2015.
So why did the Trek manager (Guercilena) say "with a rider like him, we don't have to wait till after the Tour to sign him, we know what he is worth"

It's a bit odd, many times it's been confirmed he's signed already (by De Jongh, Pantano...) but there were also rumors Contador contacted Astana after the Tour but Vino didn't have the money/room.

It doesn't make sense to me that they have already signed a contract and it didn't become public.

Unless on that contract was any clause regarding his performance in GTs this year. As in, if his performance was below some standard, his salary would get lower, or anything like that.

About what De Jongh, Pantano, Guercilena or Santa Claus says is meaningless to me. What matters it that no public announcement has been made until now.
 
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lenric said:
LaFlorecita said:
lenric said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I have already addressed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. That deal is dependent on his performance in this vuelta, since he retired from the Tour. Since he is old, Trek needs to know if his capacity has decreased since 2015.
So why did the Trek manager (Guercilena) say "with a rider like him, we don't have to wait till after the Tour to sign him, we know what he is worth"

It's a bit odd, many times it's been confirmed he's signed already (by De Jongh, Pantano...) but there were also rumors Contador contacted Astana after the Tour but Vino didn't have the money/room.

It doesn't make sense to me that they have already signed a contract and it didn't become public.

Unless on that contract was any clause regarding his performance in GTs this year. As in, if his performance was below some standard, his salary would get lower, or anything like that.

About what De Jongh, Pantano, Guercilena or Santa Claus says is meaningless to me. What matters it that no public announcement has been made until now.
Degenkolb was announced way after he had signed, Pantano was announced way after he had signed, it wouldn't be weird to me if Alberto is announced way after he signed.
 
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lenric said:
LaFlorecita said:
lenric said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I have already addressed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. That deal is dependent on his performance in this vuelta, since he retired from the Tour. Since he is old, Trek needs to know if his capacity has decreased since 2015.
So why did the Trek manager (Guercilena) say "with a rider like him, we don't have to wait till after the Tour to sign him, we know what he is worth"

It's a bit odd, many times it's been confirmed he's signed already (by De Jongh, Pantano...) but there were also rumors Contador contacted Astana after the Tour but Vino didn't have the money/room.

It doesn't make sense to me that they have already signed a contract and it didn't become public.

Unless on that contract was any clause regarding his performance in GTs this year. As in, if his performance was below some standard, his salary would get lower, or anything like that.

About what De Jongh, Pantano, Guercilena or Santa Claus says is meaningless to me. What matters it that no public announcement has been made until now.
Perhaps Mollema's and Pantano's impressive showings in the Tour have cast doubt on exactly how much value Contador would add to the team. His performance in this Vuelta is only going to compound those doubts and make Trek think twice. If it hasn't already been signed and confirmed, I imagine they will at least look to negotiate a lower basic salary.
 
Precisely. Even though Alberto has crashed several times in the last 2 months (and didn't ride the Tour, which means he's fresh), he's not stronger than Quintana, who has ridden the Tour.
At almost 34 years he's a liability.
 
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DFA123 said:
Perhaps Mollema's and Pantano's impressive showings in the Tour have cast doubt on exactly how much value Contador would add to the team. His performance in this Vuelta is only going to compound those doubts and make Trek think twice. If it hasn't already been signed and confirmed, I imagine they will at least look to negotiate a lower basic salary.
Yeah, that would be a great start to a new partnership. "Hey, uhm, so we don't have much faith in you anymore, so, uhm, could we possibly lower your salary by a million or so?"
 
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LaFlorecita said:
DFA123 said:
Perhaps Mollema's and Pantano's impressive showings in the Tour have cast doubt on exactly how much value Contador would add to the team. His performance in this Vuelta is only going to compound those doubts and make Trek think twice. If it hasn't already been signed and confirmed, I imagine they will at least look to negotiate a lower basic salary.
Yeah, that would be a great start to a new partnership. "Hey, uhm, so we don't have much faith in you anymore, so, uhm, could we possibly lower your salary by a million or so?"
Well, I agree it's a bit disrespectful in a way, but it's business. Trek aren't a charity retirement home, and with Mollema looking capable of a top 5 at the Tour - Contador doesn't seem to offer a great improvement on that based on his form in this Vuelta.

Alternatively, of course, he may have already signed weeks ago. :)
 
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LaFlorecita said:
lenric said:
LaFlorecita said:
lenric said:
At almost 34 years he's a liability.
Lol oh dear :eek:

Don't be so touchy touchy, it's just an opinion. ;)
I don't know, man, calling someone who can still finish on the podium of a GT a liability, ouch

I suppose you could call him a liability for his inability to stay on his bike, but that hasn't got much to do with his age ;)

Well, he can podium the Vuelta and he most certainly will, but right now he's in 4th place and the three riders in front of him have already ridden one GT this year. I know you are a Contador fangirl, but even you must take this important factor into account, because if both Froome and Quintana were as fresh as Contador is (or should be), then the spaniard would be way farther from them than he is right now.

Moreover, he's not getting better with age (as it is normal, since he's 33), while riders like Quintana, Yates, Bardet, Aru are. Froome and Nibali won't drop significantly their physical capacity next year, particularly Froome.

Because of all this reasons and his age (which makes him a liability, particularly since he's rocking since 2007), if he doesn't perform well in this Vuelta (and he isn't performing well, no matter how much crashes had taken a tool on him), then it is perfectly normal that Trek isn't keen on offering him a contract grating him a particularly high salary.

If a rider is older than the average GT winner, then offering him a contract for more than 1 year and with a high salary is risky. The same happens in all sports (particularly those who are very demanding, such as football). And to me this makes Contador a liability. If you disagree with my opinion, or can't understand it, that's ok, but it doesn't change the reality about older riders.
 
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jilbiker said:
Zaka_fan said:
There was an interview with Tinkov few minutes ago on Russian Eurosport - Oleg (referring to Basso) said that AC has not yet signed his contract with Trek...

/ sorry for my English

I can believe that. The no announcement does not add up. I suspect its a money issue (isn't it always?). They are offering far lower, AC says if I get a GT it shows I am worth Bazulions. We see what the final numbers are.

not a surprise since there's so much cricket sound after the second rest day of TDF.. which supposedly he already signed with Trek. Maybe Trek changed their mind, looking at how Mollema is suddenly good. :lol: