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Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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The Hitch said:
According to cq Wiggins has only ever once in his life beaten Contador at a race (overall not stages)

That was the 2005 tour down under after Contador had just turned 22 where he came 23rd to Contadors 28th.

Ever since then in race after race after race Contador has finished ahead of Wiggins. Even in races wiggins ended up abandoning Contador was always ahead of him.

So i dont see how Contador can be said to be afraid of wiggins, if he always beat him.
Weak argument and false logic, and you know that.
Presumption is - Wiggins will come to Giro in 2012 Tour shape, and that's Wggins of whom Contador is afraid. Afraid of convincing TDF winner, not some track cyclist from 5 -10 years ago.
Don't use Miburo's arguments, you know they're superficial.
 
serfla said:
Weak argument and false logic, and you know that.
Presumption is - Wiggins will come to Giro in 2012 Tour shape, and that's Wggins of whom Contador is afraid. Afraid of convincing TDF winner, not some track cyclist from 5 -10 years ago.
Don't use Miburo's arguments, you know they're superficial.

He beat Wiggins in 2009 and 2010 too. Was he a track cyclist then?
 
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I wonder how Wiggo's latest announcement will effect Contador's plans.
It would be a bit too much to start a thread named: "If Wiggins rides the Giro, will Contador still ride it?" since Contador only mentioned a possibility, but Contador now knows where he can meet sharped Wiggins.
It would be true champions' manner to go for the double now and confirm reputation of the best GT rider.
Otherwise, Wiggo's fans can say Contador was afraid and backed off. At least Contador's fans are doing so. Even when it's unfounded.

Lol, really? Contador afraid of Wiggins? It's hilarious how one good year (in which the only races Wiggins won were perfectly suited to him and had virtually zero real competition) automatically qualifies Wiggins to be a legendary rider of the same level as Contador. Name one race where Wiggins has shown he has what it takes to beat a guy like Contador (and the 2012 Tour doesn't prove anything).

Plus Wiggins confirming the Giro as his main goal will not affect Contador's plans in the slightest way. He wasn't considering doing it so he could show he had what it takes to beat Wiggins, he was considering it because the Giro-Tour double has been a goal of his for a long time.
 

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Miburo said:
Why would Contador be afraid of someone who he crushed many times? While Contador never lost a GT since 2007 besides the tour 2011 for obvious reasons.

Well, in the 2012 Tour the guys showed themselves in by far sweetest strength than in times Contador beat them. Though, you are reasonably not interested at this circumstance whatsoever.

OK, Miburo, a little test on seriousness, has the gap between Contador and Wiggins reduced since 2009? Though frankly speaking the gap didn't seem boundless yet back then.
 
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Wiggins is not a factor. I doubt he will win the Giro even if Contador doesn't ride. I wonder where does all this Wiggo hype come from?
 

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nikohale said:
Wiggins is not a factor. I doubt he will win the Giro even if Contador doesn't ride. I wonder where does all this Wiggo hype come from?
Maybe the hype comes from 2012 TDF.
But it could also come from the whole last season... Or since he started to improve on the road from season to season.
The hype could come from the opposite direction as well. From his rivals' fading form, for example.
As you can see, sources of the hype are numerous.
 
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Froome19 said:
He won the Tour:eek:

WOW. He won the Tour without Contador and Schleck, with underpar Evans and on the wheel of his better team mate Froome, and of course in a course of so many TTs! Very good this Wiggo! :)
 

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nikohale said:
WOW. He won the Tour without Contador and Schleck, with underpar Evans and on the wheel of his better team mate Froome, and of course in a course of so many TTs! Very good this Wiggo! :)
Yes. You're probably right.
TDF is often won by accident.
For example, Contador has won his first only after suspension of some notable favorites and exclusion of others. His second victory came after disobedience to team hierarchy. Evans has won his heavily defending, without a single attack. More over, there's Sastre's victory, as well as Pereiro's. And don't forget Schleck's one obtained by the green table.

On second thought, TDF is pure lottery.
 
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WOW. He won the Tour without Contador and Schleck, with underpar Evans and on the wheel of his better team mate Froome, and of course in a course of so many TTs! Very good this Wiggo! :)

He won't meet any of them in the Giro either. :eek: Contador could still show up there suddenly ofc.
However Nibali, Sanchez, Hesjedal etc. will never match Wiggins in his 2012 shape. His Giro support is probably the best one out there too.
 

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In my view, some Contador fans has one phobia: they think the strength of the field is defined by Contador's presence exceptionally. It is not the case. A GT spectacle is Contador surely. But spectacle ≠ strength ≠ effectiveness. I don't know on what overly emotional level one should take cycling in order not to understand this.

Wiggins beat other guys probably with a bigger or the same edge in comparison how Contador did it in 2009. He smashed Nibali who IMO rode his stronger Grand Tour so far? And you dare say that he is not a factor just because Contador and Schleck were not there? In what year are you living?
 

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airstream said:
In my view, some Contador fans has one phobia: they think the strength of the field is defined by Contador's presence exceptionally. It is not the case.

Wiggins beat other guys probably with a bigger or the same edge in comparison how Contador did it in 2009? He smashed Nibali who IMO rode his stronger Grand Tour so far? And you dare say that he is not a factor just because Contador and Schleck were not there? In what year are you living?
Everything evolves around Contador.
He's absolute point of reference for every categorical judgement. Even more, his presence determines existence of every important cycling quality in certain race, and often existence of a race itself.
 
serfla said:
Everything evolves around Contador.
He's absolute point of reference for every categorical judgement. Even more, his presence determines existence of every important cycling quality in certain race, and often existence of a race itself.

For some maybe; for many that post here simply Not True and I'm tired of being lumped in with the few :(
 
Publicus said:
Perhaps we can table the discussion of how AC wilts before the awesomeness that is "High Tempo" Wiggo until AC declares that he is actually riding the Giro.

From both their published schedules they will have the opportunity to check each other out prior to the Giro.

AC will ride the Giro IF he thinks he can pull off the double and Riis is on board. Personally I don't want him to try it, but if he does both races will become more interesting due to his style of racing.
 
serfla said:
Everything evolves around Contador.
He's absolute point of reference for every categorical judgement. Even more, his presence determines existence of every important cycling quality in certain race, and often existence of a race itself.

Perhaps you lost your way. You do realize this is the ALBERTO CONTADOR DISCUSSION thread? So that may explain why "everything [in this thread] evolves [sic] around Contador" and that "he's [sic] absolute point of reference for every categorical judgement [discussed in this thread]. Even more, [in discussions in this thread] his presence determines existence of every important cycling quality in certain race [sic], and often existence of a race itself." :rolleyes:
 
Carols said:
From both their published schedules they will have the opportunity to check each other out prior to the Giro.

AC will ride the Giro IF he thinks he can pull off the double and Riis is on board. Personally I don't want him to try it, but if he does both races will become more interesting due to his style of racing.

I'm mostly with you on this. Plus I'd like to see Majka get full support at the Giro to see what he can do.
 

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Carols said:
From both their published schedules they will have the opportunity to check each other out prior to the Giro.

AC will ride the Giro IF he thinks he can pull off the double and Riis is on board. Personally I don't want him to try it, but if he does both races will become more interesting due to his style of racing.
They'll have the chance to throw down the gauntlets.
My previous remarks about champions' manners go to both directions. Wiggins should provoke Contador to ride the Giro, and Contador should prove it's not necessary... In circumstances where Contador hasn't decided yet, off course.
Interesting thing is that itt is considered like discipline where Wiggins will make substantial advantage. I'm of that opinion too. But Riis knows a thing or two about time trialing. Just remember Basso.
So, Contador and Riis shouldn't hesitate to confront the Wiggins and Sky in the Giro.
 

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Publicus said:
Perhaps you lost your way. You do realize this is the ALBERTO CONTADOR DISCUSSION thread? So that may explain why "everything [in this thread] evolves [sic] around Contador" and that "he's [sic] absolute point of reference for every categorical judgement [discussed in this thread]. Even more, [in discussions in this thread] his presence determines existence of every important cycling quality in certain race [sic], and often existence of a race itself." :rolleyes:
You're so funny!