Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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Ranking Contador's Grand Tour wins from his most impressive level to the least impressive one :

  1. Tour 2009
  2. Giro 2011
  3. Vuelta 2014
  4. Vuelta 2008
  5. Tour 2007
  6. Vuelta 2012
  7. Tour 2010
  8. Giro 2015
  9. Giro 2008
Do you agree with this guys ?
 
I think ranking his Vuelta '14 so high comes a lot from what might have been the Tour if Contador had not broken his leg.
To me, his '07 Tour should have been on the top-3. It was his first GT/Tour win and an impressive display of strength on the mountains.
I would rank '10's Tour higher, but that's me.
 
I think ranking his Vuelta '14 so high comes a lot from what might have been the Tour if Contador had not broken his leg.
To me, his '07 Tour should have been on the top-3. It was his first GT/Tour win and an impressive display of strength on the mountains.
I would rank '10's Tour higher, but that's me.
Tour 2010 is probably the hardest one and it might go as high as #3. I think it's slept on cause how strong Andy Schleck was that year.
 
Kinda hard to rank. Tour '09 is a clear number one and Giro '11 clear number two. I placed Tour '07 third simply because I feel the level was just insanely high that year. Sure Alberto couldn't quite beat Rasmussen but together they set some crazy climbing times.

Giro '08 is a clear last place I think, with Vuelta '12 just ahead. Although we were all very excited to see him back in action, he truly struggled that race. Obviously Purito was in the form of his life but an in-form Alberto should have had no issues with him.

Numbers 4 to 7 are a bit more unclear and honestly could be ranked in any order. With regards to climbing, he was quite dominant at the '08 and '14 Vuelta. Even though he was coming back from injury so you'd expect him to be below par, I feel his level was really high in 2014. As for Giro '15, I think he was in quite good shape but unlucky with some crashes/injuries. Landa was obviously great that year and Alberto did crack spectacularly on the Finestre stage, but he had some really exceptional performances that race. Valdobbiadene ITT and Mortirolo come to mind, but also the stage to Vicenza. In his last few years his performance on punchy finishes was quite a good indicator for his overall shape, he would regularly struggle when he didn't quite have it.
For Tour '10 the same could be said as for '07, but I don't know, I don't really get enthusiastic about it.

  1. Tour 2009
  2. Giro 2011
  3. Tour 2007
  4. Vuelta 2014
  5. Vuelta 2008
  6. Giro 2015
  7. Tour 2010
  8. Vuelta 2012
  9. Giro 2008
 
Kinda hard to rank. Tour '09 is a clear number one and Giro '11 clear number two. I placed Tour '07 third simply because I feel the level was just insanely high that year. Sure Alberto couldn't quite beat Rasmussen but together they set some crazy climbing times.

Giro '08 is a clear last place I think, with Vuelta '12 just ahead. Although we were all very excited to see him back in action, he truly struggled that race. Obviously Purito was in the form of his life but an in-form Alberto should have had no issues with him.

Numbers 4 to 7 are a bit more unclear and honestly could be ranked in any order. With regards to climbing, he was quite dominant at the '08 and '14 Vuelta. Even though he was coming back from injury so you'd expect him to be below par, I feel his level was really high in 2014. As for Giro '15, I think he was in quite good shape but unlucky with some crashes/injuries. Landa was obviously great that year and Alberto did crack spectacularly on the Finestre stage, but he had some really exceptional performances that race. Valdobbiadene ITT and Mortirolo come to mind, but also the stage to Vicenza. In his last few years his performance on punchy finishes was quite a good indicator for his overall shape, he would regularly struggle when he didn't quite have it.
For Tour '10 the same could be said as for '07, but I don't know, I don't really get enthusiastic about it.

  1. Tour 2009
  2. Giro 2011
  3. Tour 2007
  4. Vuelta 2014
  5. Vuelta 2008
  6. Giro 2015
  7. Tour 2010
  8. Vuelta 2012
  9. Giro 2008
Mortirolo time wasn't crazy fast or anything, and the Valdobbiadene ITT was actually pretty much in line with what you'd expect him to put into Aru and Landa if you account for the crazy length of the ITT. If you want to cite numbers then there's no way the 2010 Tour is behind the 2015 Giro.
 
My rankings:
  1. Tour 2009
  2. Giro 2011
  3. Tour 2007
  4. Tour 2010
  5. Vuelta 2014
  6. Giro 2015
  7. Vuelta 2012
  8. Vuelta 2008
  9. Giro 2008
Interesting topic of conversation.

My immediate thoughts on the original list were that 08 Vuelta was far too high, and 15 Giro far too low, so I like Carols' list here.

08 is almost peak Contador and he didn't win those races by much, so I think they are at the bottom. They are probably a better standard than 12 Vuelta, but I think one should take coping with adversity into account.

Which is why I don't think the two obvious ones are obviously number one and two. Because Alberto was just so superior in those races.

I would need to think about it longer before doing a list. I'd consider 14 Vuelta for first. I still remember those weeks post Tour....there was just NO WAY that Alberto was even starting the Vuelta. Maybe we kind of forgot what a miracle that all was.....would probably need to go back through thousands of posts in this thread.

But yeah, that 14 Vuelta was nuts. And for Froome to recover from his Tour injury also. And they not only had to battle each other, but beat Valverde and Rodriguez, both great Vuelta riders.
 
Can't argue. Yeh amazing he overcame the team and Lance in 2009 TdF. 2011 Giro he was sublime once he decimated the field on Etna but at least he didn't have his team riding against him. And I know it was common talk back then but I never bought the "sitting on a beach" story for the 2008 Giro so I am relieved the experts here rank that lower. Dare I also say Alberto post ban was more daring tactically. Pre ban it was mostly raw power.
 
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Tour 2010 is probably the hardest one and it might go as high as #3. I think it's slept on cause how strong Andy Schleck was that year.
Andy was insanely good in the Tour 2010, but my only issue with Contador in that race is the final TT. I know the wind played an important role (that's why he lost over 5 minutes against Cancellara), but surely a great version of Contador does at least as well as Menchov there ?
 
Andy was insanely good in the Tour 2010, but my only issue with Contador in that race is the final TT. I know the wind played an important role (that's why he lost over 5 minutes against Cancellara), but surely a great version of Contador does at least as well as Menchov there ?
Contadors long ITTs in general were worse in 2010. I think his climbing was as fine as 2011.
 
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Good lists here, and I see it the same. Still the oddest fact that he never finished 2nd or 3rd in a GT, true killer when he was on the target.

Personally, I cherish his Vuelta '12 & '14 and Giro '15 wins the most though - just because of the way he achieved them out of a non-dominant fashion due to crashes, injury, comeback, and whatnot. I guess many would share this sentiment.

Aside from Tour 2014, I think his Vuelta 2017 could have been a strong entry into the list, too, if it wasn't for that damn 2nd or 3rd stage. The way he was ridding in that Vuelta was an all hits, no filler-attitude on every stage and I think no one has ever served so much panache in a single race, not even to say the last race of the career.
 
Good lists here, and I see it the same. Still the oddest fact that he never finished 2nd or 3rd in a GT, true killer when he was on the target.

Personally, I cherish his Vuelta '12 & '14 and Giro '15 wins the most though - just because of the way he achieved them out of a non-dominant fashion due to crashes, injury, comeback, and whatnot. I guess many would share this sentiment.

Aside from Tour 2014, I think his Vuelta 2017 could have been a strong entry into the list, too, if it wasn't for that damn 2nd or 3rd stage. The way he was ridding in that Vuelta was an all hits, no filler-attitude on every stage and I think no one has ever served so much panache in a single race, not even to say the last race of the career.
Great post.
 
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Mortirolo time wasn't crazy fast or anything, and the Valdobbiadene ITT was actually pretty much in line with what you'd expect him to put into Aru and Landa if you account for the crazy length of the ITT. If you want to cite numbers then there's no way the 2010 Tour is behind the 2015 Giro.
It looks to me like you’re the one bringing numbers into it.

The Mortirolo performance ultimately amounted to “he climbed it 50s faster than Landa,” so numbers-wise it wasn’t spectacular, but the way he reeled in a very strong Astana team pretty much without team support from the bottom, and then attacked as soon as he caught the leaders, was a serious display of bravado, and a statement of intent, and superiority.
 
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