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Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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Angliru said:
Just once I would like to hear you acknowledge that many of the prime candidates for the Tour podium were simply either not there or left the race prematurely, thus potentially altering the eventual outcome. You seem to me to leave that scenario out of any post that you make in reference to the 2012 Tour.

Yes, because one raises this circumstance up to absurd. No one never ever called the 2011 Giro field weak, though the same people enthusiastically do that with the 2012 Tour. Evans surrended before his illness and everyone knows it.

If the train goes 1680 w/h, to attack is extremely difficult. A climber is able to fire, to produce 1700-1720 w/h instantly, but after 300-400 meters he would have to slow down and the train will start closing the gap. You base on names and their palmares mostly. I base on what I see. That's the main point where we differ in opinion.
 
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Yes, because one raises this circumstance up to absurd. No one never ever called the 2011 Giro field weak, though the same people enthusiastically do that with the 2012 Tour. Evans surrended before his illness and everyone knows it.

If the train goes 1680 w/h, to attack is extremely difficult. A climber is able to fire, to produce 1700-1720 w/h instantly, but after 300-400 meters he would have to slow down and the train will start closing the gap. You base on names and their palmares mostly. I base on what I see. That's the main point where we differ in opinion.

Very much true, because it's best not to be biased. You're as good as your last race, most of the times at least. Also every GT or season is different and can't be compared as if it were a simple calculation, you can't really rely on certain riders to perform or to dominate a race. Guys who were nowhere in the past can become big winners(Cobo), while total dominators like 2011 Gilbert aren't nearly as good the next year.

Contador could still dominate, people who say he's past his best should wonder if a rider can already peak when he's 26/27(2009 was his best year in terms of results) while at 31 he's already declining. My guess is that this year we'll still see the best Contador, but his changed mentality has caused him to train less and to target less races.

Evans on the other hand doesn't have it anymore, he rode less than Andy did since the Tour. His only way to get on his old level is just to ride lots of races, like he did in his most succesfull years. However a 36 year old guy who has to come back from illness doesn't have the opportunity for that anymore. Unlike Contador, who should have a solid training base from last year.
 
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Yes, because one raises this circumstance up to absurd. No one never ever called the 2011 Giro field weak, though the same people enthusiastically do that with the 2012 Tour. Evans surrended before his illness and everyone knows it.

If the train goes 1680 w/h, to attack is extremely difficult. A climber is able to fire, to produce 1700-1720 w/h instantly, but after 300-400 meters he would have to slow down and the train will start closing the gap. You base on names and their palmares mostly. I base on what I see. That's the main point where we differ in opinion.

From what I saw there was only one rider among the contenders willing (and able) to challenge the Sky train. I'm certainly hoping that the science isn't so exact as you seem to think, such that nothing and no one(s) could've altered in any way what you appear to believe was an inevitable outcome. It's more than just wattages. Enough pressure applied by one's opponents can change the best laid plans of even the most finely oiled machine like Sky in the 2012 Tour. If what we have to look forward to is more of what transpired at the 2012 Tour then maybe I'll plan my vacation time around the 3 weeks of the Tour so I won't be available, free to put in extra time on my bike and feel tempted to watch it and hope for something better (for me and my entertainment :)).
 
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LaFlorecita said:
I just saw some footage of yesterday's tt - Alberto seems very uncomfortable on the tt bike, he is all over the place.

With bad shape, that's what you're going to get. Especially with Contador.

Start going crazy when he's not performing well in TA.

If he wants to do the double he needs to be bad right now.
 
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Miburo said:
With bad shape, that's what you're going to get. Especially with Contador.

Start going crazy when he's not performing well in TA.

If he wants to do the double he needs to be bad right now.

I thkink you are right.;)

Dont panic guys:D
 
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Pentacycle said:
Contador could still dominate, people who say he's past his best should wonder if a rider can already peak when he's 26/27(2009 was his best year in terms of results) while at 31 he's already declining. My guess is that this year we'll still see the best Contador, but his changed mentality has caused him to train less and to target less races.

We'll never see Contador like 09 again - that was like concorde - but he could well be the best rider in the world again.
 
Truth&Reconciliation said:
We'll never see Contador like 09 again - that was like concorde - but he could well be the best rider in the world again.

He is still the best rider in the world imo, but I get what you're trying to say. I do think that he'll have to be at 2009 level to be the best rider this year.

(Best rider in the world is about the entire palmares not just 1 or 2 years)
 
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LaFlorecita said:
He is still the best rider in the world imo, but I get what you're trying to say. I do think that he'll have to be at 2009 level to be the best rider this year.

(Best rider in the world is about the entire palmares not just 1 or 2 years)

No rider will ever be at AC's 09 level. That type of power will never be seen again in the sport, quite rightly. He won't need anything like that level to be the best again.
 
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No rider will ever be at AC's 09 level. That type of power will never be seen again in the sport, quite rightly. He won't need anything like that level to be the best again.

:confused: his level wasn't that high. Sure he was great but come on he beat a 24 year old Andy Schleck by 4 minutes in the tour. That's not out of this world.
 

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From what I saw there was only one rider among the contenders willing (and able) to challenge the Sky train. I'm certainly hoping that the science isn't so exact as you seem to think, such that nothing and no one(s) could've altered in any way what you appear to believe was an inevitable outcome. It's more than just wattages. Enough pressure applied by one's opponents can change the best laid plans of even the most finely oiled machine like Sky in the 2012 Tour. If what we have to look forward to is more of what transpired at the 2012 Tour then maybe I'll plan my vacation time around the 3 weeks of the Tour so I won't be available, free to put in extra time on my bike and feel tempted to watch it and hope for something better (for me and my entertainment :)).

And you will boycot the Tour if your rider will not win??? Is it a real cycling fan's behaviour? uuuuu..:(

I will watch no matter the result is. The race itself is more important. :)
 
LaFlorecita said:
:confused: his level wasn't that high. Sure he was great but come on he beat a 24 year old Andy Schleck by 4 minutes in the tour. That's not out of this world.

He beat him by 4 minutes because there were only 3 or 4 deciding stages in whole tour, 2009 route was a complete joke. Put Contador against Andy in 2011 Giro route with 2009 form, the result would be completely different

Btw: Andy and Cobo would be good candidates for Lanterne Rouge, nothing more nothing less