Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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I'm happy to see Contador lit up the race. Porte looks really good. Aru is not bad either. I was hoping Majka was up there, but he wasn't. I don't know what race he will peak? Tomorrow should be interesting. Froome might look a little rusty. But I'm not counting this guy out yet. The last time he was attacked 7km before the finish, he ended up going postal the next day and won the race. I don't know if Porte can improve more in the Giro. He seems to be already close to his peak.
 
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ICEROCK said:
"One is still repeatedly, gleefully retold by members of Saxo Bank’s 2010 Tour de Suisse team: of a rider dropping back to the team car for instructions midway through one key stage, only to find that Riis’s ears were plugged with headphones, and his eyes were glued to his laptop. Spooling across the screen were not live pictures of the race but scenes from the hit American drama, The West Wing."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tin ... r-struggle

Is Riis watching "House of Cards" when Contodar fell his ass off the bike in the Tour? LMAF.

he owned the team. He could do whatever he wanted. besides rider should be able to make decision on yourself and not rely on their DS too much. They aren't there to baby sit them, and the rider is paid to ride and to think. They are adult. That's why people complaining about the radio. Too much rely on the car for tactics.
 
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Sure, he could do whatever he wanted. And what he did reflects quite badly on him, which you'd see if you took off your rose tinted glasses for a mere moment.
 
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Carols said:
One thing is certain we can always rely on Alberto to light up a race :). Let's see what they have let in the tank tomorrow.

Absolutely. He looked okay today. Porte didn't do a lot, though looks on good form still. I agree with whoever said that AC is a lot further from his peak than Porte however.

Nice to see Aru and Uran up front.
 
When I read Riis bio I thought by TdeSuisse he already knew the riders were out the door ....he speaks of it and his suspicions ...and how he knew something was afoot...mayeb he was watching the West Wing to get tips on back stabbing...Also at this stage he would have know he was signing Contador...maybe he hit ctrl alt to change screens as Contadors contract was on the PC and old west wing DV appeared in his haste to hide stuff from the Schlecks ....Lots of suspicion at that satge at Saxobank
 
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Electress said:
Carols said:
One thing is certain we can always rely on Alberto to light up a race :). Let's see what they have let in the tank tomorrow.

Absolutely. He looked okay today. Porte didn't do a lot, though looks on good form still. I agree with whoever said that AC is a lot further from his peak than Porte however.

Nice to see Aru and Uran up front.

Porte hasn't proven anything in a GC of a GT. That's the only thing you need to know.
 
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Miburo said:
Electress said:
Carols said:
One thing is certain we can always rely on Alberto to light up a race :). Let's see what they have let in the tank tomorrow.

Absolutely. He looked okay today. Porte didn't do a lot, though looks on good form still. I agree with whoever said that AC is a lot further from his peak than Porte however.

Nice to see Aru and Uran up front.

Porte hasn't proven anything in a GC of a GT. That's the only thing you need to know.

Sure he has, he's proven he always has a bad day :)
 
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SeriousSam said:
Sure, he could do whatever he wanted. And what he did reflects quite badly on him, which you'd see if you took off your rose tinted glasses for a mere moment.

As I see the article it is an attempt to offer some perspective and maybe even some form of reasoning to what Tinkov did. It's a well written piece and nuance is always good when assessing an often praised leadership.

What is unquestionable is that Riis has invested huge amounts of ressources in his project to create the worlds best cycling team. He has been very succesful on his journey and it is no secret that his full investment of himself at times has drained him as well as he has been suffering from depression.

The TDS incident seems somewhat strange and on surface does reflect badly on him.

One could argue though, that an article that seems to aim towards offer the "worst" version of his leadership really aren't coming up with much if you take into account the year-span and severity of the TDS instance...

Riis has always been a complicated person and despite his character that seems to be of a introvert almost "loner" he chose to become Team owner and manager. -roles that demand openness as well as being accessible to the public, sponsors and not in the least his staff and riders.. I have followed him for twenty years and he always seemed to be very invested in his riders and their well-being by being someone they could "go to" when needed..

Maybe this is why we hear some of these stories.. To be succesful and to care about his sorroundings (which i believe is in his nature) he felt a need to be something that did not come to him naturally and in effect you have some incidents where he simply "disappears" physically and mentally to safeguard himself from the enourmous pressure and all the challenges he had to overcome.

From a riders perspective it can be hard to understand why your leader is watching tv-series in the team car in a stressful situation, but at the time there were severe challenges maybe even the threat of dissolvement..
This of course is also his responsability and maybe that was the reason he simply had to think about something else allthough I admit the timing seems absurd...

What is for sure is that he is a person sorrounded by much respect in the peleton.
There are several accounts of riders chosing his team because of him as well as him being an enourmous authoruty always naturally "claiming" the room when he spoke at meetings etc...

Apart from some obvious exceptions riders have flourished at his team and declined when leaving.
And over almost ten years it is an impressive norm that speaks for itself...

Edit: If I should point out one thing that may really reflect badly on him it is the sale of the team to Tinkov.
But that is a very long discussion with much nuance as well..
 

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Electress said:
Carols said:
One thing is certain we can always rely on Alberto to light up a race :). Let's see what they have let in the tank tomorrow.

Absolutely. He looked okay today. Porte didn't do a lot, though looks on good form still. I agree with whoever said that AC is a lot further from his peak than Porte however.
he definitely doesn't have the zip we have come to expect. but clearly he is planning on peaking for week 3.
assuming porte doesn't have a bad day, how much time could contador afford to give up in the long time trial?
 
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staubsauger said:
Porte will lose 5-30 minutes on a bad day anyway.
Pretty easy for Contador to approach it the Pantani way as long as his main rival is a lame version of Alex Zülle! :D ;)
Yes, I also think that he'll have a bad day, it could be the Finestre stage, third consecutive mountain stage and the Cervinia stage one the day before is 236km long. Of course he could also have a bad day earlier, you never know with Porte.
 
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Netserk said:
Just maybe it had an effect that practically the whole Suisse squad was on the way to Leopard...

It's amazing that Riis gets criticism for this incident when one looks at the posts on this forum and frequency that someone mentions that they are at work while also on cn forums following races, watching races, etc...
 
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Red Rick said:
Porte has never performed that great in the true high mountains, I expect that he won't be a problem in the third week
I don't know. Alpe d huez finishes at 1800 and he was maybe the strongest rider that day and the AX 3 Domains stage went over Pailhares and even after pulling he still smashed to pieces every other gt rider around despite taking the piss and not even trying the whole climb.
 
That Tour was quite the anomaly in that the very best competitors of Froome weren't there or sucked. Quintana had already gone on Paillheres, Contador sucked all year, Purito peaked in the last week, Nibali wasn't there. Valverde might be the best indicator, whom lost like 20s or something to Porte, and Valverde is never that great in the Tour. The rest of the field was nothing special. We don't know how much faster he could've gone up the Alpe, and I would never expect you to compare the Alpe to the true monsters of the Giro.

Most of Porte's best performances and wins have actually come on short-ish to medium-long climbs like in Paris Nice.

Not to add that i'm also doing a fair bit of wishful thinking obviously
 
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Netserk said:
Meh, doubt Porte can keep it up for the whole Giro (and still have some left for the Tour). He has been on fire since January.

And that's assuming contador isn't gonna improve. Against this contador he can barely hold on

People need to stop preteding porte was terrible last year, he wasn't so bad in the tour, at least the first week when he was almost up there with nibali and contador.
 

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