Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[ILovecycling]

Oh no worries guys...Alberto is doing ok,he can crack Purito one time but BIG time,today tomorrow or Bola.

I think he need to ally with Piti,cos he is looking good but doesnt have it to win it...Piti need to attack 4 or 5km before summit,gain 15s,maintain it and then 2km from finish Alberto attack,drop Purito and close gap on Piti and Piti can sustain the pace better,they can gain about 20 or 30s on Purito this way

Good idea?

 

[meat puppet]

I disagree so much it's not even funny.

By the way you hope Andy becomes his 2009/2010 self again, and yet you also hope Alberto stays this bad, well then you are actually hoping for Andy to put a minute into Alberto on every climb.

I think I can live with our disagreement, but duly noted.

Effectively, I hope rather a) that no one stays bad or becomes super and, therefore, b) the field is as much levelled out as possible so that c) different approaches based on the slightly different relative strenghts and weaknesses of the top dogs performance profiles must come into play.

Taken together, this should give us racing, drama and perhaps even surprises (not the clinic related, but racing related). However, in the end Libertine and Hrotha will point out, correctly, that the parcours will nullify everything and we get exactly the same as before - dull racing. Then we rinse and repeat.

Nonetheless, I'll take dull stalemates rather than processions and domination, thank you very much.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think I can live with our disagreement, but duly noted.

Effectively, I hope rather a) that no one stays bad or becomes super and, therefore, b) the field is as much levelled out as possible so that c) different approaches based on the slightly different relative strenghts and weaknesses of the top dogs performance profiles must come into play.

Okay but you say you want Alberto to stay like this. So you want him to stay bad. If you say you don't want him to stay bad you don't want him to stay like this. And so you want him to become super.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oh no worries guys...Alberto is doing ok,he can crack Purito one time but BIG time,today tomorrow or Bola.

I think he need to ally with Piti,cos he is looking good but doesnt have it to win it...Piti need to attack 4 or 5km before summit,gain 15s,maintain it and then 2km from finish Alberto attack,drop Purito and close gap on Piti and Piti can sustain the pace better,they can gain about 20 or 30s on Purito this way

Good idea?

I don't think it will work Alberto only has a chance if 1) Purito has a bad day or 2) He takes a huge risk and attacks from 10 km out but I don't want him to do that.

 

[meat puppet]

Okay but you say you want Alberto to stay like this. So you want him to stay bad. If you say you don't want him to stay bad you don't want him to stay like this. And so you want him to become super.

Not exactly. I use the word "relative" to indicate that regardless what the absolute form levels are, I would prefer them to be as close to one another as possible.

Lacking a better expression, you can think of it as the quantitative denominator of form, or whatever, expressed in W/kg over, say, 40 minutes.

If the riders are close together with regard to this, qualitative variables come into play. Recuperation, the ability to reproduce the efforts steady state vs. acceleration, ITT, etc. Basic stuff, IMO, so this will be my last post on this matter.

Moreover, Bert is not bad, by any means. You know, he is the runner up and has already effectively eliminated Froome, who has been basically unbeaten for a year. Coming from a 13 month hiatus I think that's pretty darn impressive.

 

[TheSecretForum]

Given it's Contador's first grand tour for awhile I think he has done well. He's just lacking that 1 percent at the end of his attacks to pull it off, but that will come. The desire is clearly still there which is what you want to see.

 

[Anonymous]

Lacking a better expression, you can think of it as the quantitative denominator of form, or whatever, expressed in W/kg over, say, 40 minutes.

If the riders are close together with regard to this, qualitative variables come into play. Recuperation, the ability to reproduce the efforts steady state vs. acceleration, ITT, etc. Basic stuff, IMO, so this will be my last post on this matter.

I guess this can be treated as OT, but...

I don't know (yet!) that much into the depth about relationships of quantitative vs. qualitative, but seems to me that all these things you mentioned can be measured in some way.

 

[No_Balls]

Of course Alberto has done great. As world class as everything. I dont want to take anything away from Purito (he has done great) but this Vuelta has with its many uphill sprints, bonus seconds at play, lack of TTs been tailormade for his qualities. It is as he himself have designed it. I have few or little doubts AC would have been in the lead with minutes had it looked slightly different. But at the end of the day you have to stick with your strenghts and face what you get.

 

[ILovecycling]

I don't think it will work Alberto only has a chance if 1) Purito has a bad day or 2) He takes a huge risk and attacks from 10 km out but I don't want him to do that.

Ye,but Purito said in press conference that if Piti and Alberto continued the first attack he would have been dropped .
It could work....and Alberto will help Piti to win Liege,Fleche or whatever

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ye,but Purito said in press conference that if Piti and Alberto continued the first attack he would have been dropped .
It could work....and Alberto will help Piti to win Liege,Fleche or whatever

I don't think Alberto is even going to ride these races

 

[Miburo]

I don't think Alberto is even going to ride these races

What about World Champion then ?

 

[LaFlorecita]

What about World Champion then ?

Helping Piti to become WC? Well I think that was the plan anyway.

 

[Cimber]

This is kinda interesting. Nicki Sørensen saying that Berti is gutted about all the 2nd paces (no surpise). He also says they have no plan, since Bertie seem to be an impulsive type who goes by feeling and doesnt like big plans (but isnt Riis known to like big tactical plans?).

http://translate.google.com/transla...-09-02-nicki-contador-er-lidt-indebr%C3%A6ndt

 

[ILovecycling]

Helping Piti to become WC? Well I think that was the plan anyway.

Oh Yeah,Yeah...after two 2nd places.Awesome plan,Alberto WC TT and Piti WC..ohh dreeeam

 

[LaFlorecita]

This is kinda interesting. Nicki Sørensen saying that Berti is gutted about all the 2nd paces (no surpise). He also says they have no plan, since Bertie seem to be an impulsive type who goes by feeling and doesnt like big plans (but isnt Riis known to like big tactical plans?).

http://translate.google.com/transla...trabladet.dk/sport/cykling/article1818669.ece

Yeah Riis likes it but Alberto doesn't and eventually Alberto is the one who has to do it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oh Yeah,Yeah...after two 2nd places.Awesome plan,Alberto WC TT and Piti WC..ohh dreeeam

I think Alberto will finish in the top 5 for the TT, he won't win. He should be very happy with a podium place.

 

[Cimber]

Yeah Riis likes it but Alberto doesn't and eventually Alberto is the one who has to do it.

Indeed. Will be interesting if they will stay happy with eachother for the next 3,5 years

 

[No_Balls]

This is kinda interesting. Nicki Sørensen saying that Berti is gutted about all the 2nd paces (no surpise). He also says they have no plan, since Bertie seem to be an impulsive type who goes by feeling and doesnt like big plans (but isnt Riis known to like big tactical plans?).

http://translate.google.com/transla...trabladet.dk/sport/cykling/article1818669.ece

I think that is part of the plan. To give a impression they have no plan.

 

[Cimber]

I think that is part of the plan. To give a impression they have no plan.

(10 char)

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think that is part of the plan. To give a impression they have no plan.

blabla 10c

 

[No_Balls]

(10 char)

You misunderstood me. While it is true Alberto is a kind of impulsive nature it is no less true that for example Etna was a plan he and Riis made up.

To openly state they have no plan and every hill is a "new chapter" and bla bla is major bull****.

 

[Miburo]

Indeed. Will be interesting if they will stay happy with eachother for the next 3,5 years

I've heard from Kroon that Riis doesn't like that much big plans, he just likes to ride a mountain as hard as possible with his team.

That's what Kroon said at least.

 

[Cimber]

I've heard from Kroon that Riis doesn't like that much big plans, he just likes to ride a mountain as hard as possible with his team.

That's what Kroon said at least.

Now u mention it it seems as if all the strategic plans from the CSC days were Kim Andersens work. And he did bring that over to leopard, fx when Andy took the galibier win were hé attacked early and had team mages to help in the valley

 

[Publicus]

Ye,but Purito said in press conference that if Piti and Alberto continued the first attack he would have been dropped .
It could work....and Alberto will help Piti to win Liege,Fleche or whatever

The problem is of course that Alberto and Piti couldn't continue the attack. This is where Alberto's stamina comes into play. I remember the attack where they had gapped Purito and Froome and then sat up. It seems (to me) BOTH should recognize their mutual interest (AC gets red, Piti puts time into Froome and gets a foothold on the podium) and work together to push on next time. Of course I say this from the comfort of my home office.

 

[Carols]

This is kinda interesting. Nicki Sørensen saying that Berti is gutted about all the 2nd paces (no surpise). He also says they have no plan, since Bertie seem to be an impulsive type who goes by feeling and doesnt like big plans (but isnt Riis known to like big tactical plans?).

http://translate.google.com/transla...-09-02-nicki-contador-er-lidt-indebr%C3%A6ndt

LOL Bjarne has said before that Alberto is Alberto and attacks when he feels good...as if there is nothing he can do to change that. I believe him