Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Miburo]

at the Vuelta pres Contador said he will take San Luis easier than last year, with the intention of arriving at his main objectives on form, so maybe well see him coming in a little bit back like at Criterium 2010.

He did say last year he felt bad and overweight and still won, but if hes saying hell take it easier he will probably take it easier.

I don't believe it, i want to see him race before concluding anything.

 

[hfer07]

jesus christ. There is a reason I hate Andy. Wtf is this Alberto?

He really doesn't care anymore does he? It seems like he really has lost his motivation like someone mentioned a few days ago.

chill out flor- gotta remember there is the stupid PT points system issue too, which forces Bjarne to send other riders to accumulate them instead of Alberto, since his won't count & the team has to get sufficient to keep the PT Licence.

he'll be sharp by Tour's time for sure

 

[Fidolix]

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/vuelta-ciclista-a-espana/revive-mejor-vuelta-2012/1657402/

 

[hfer07]

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/vuelta-ciclista-a-espana/revive-mejor-vuelta-2012/1657402/

+1000000 (TY for the link)
amazing footage

 

[airstream]

I think he will start in the Vuleta only the Tour is gained with relatively small losses like in 2009 which is highly unlikely.

 

[ILovecycling]

I dont trust him,he is bluffing or something.He will race for win in San luis,its Alberto

 

[the asian]

chill out flor- gotta remember there is the stupid PT points system issue too, which forces Bjarne to send other riders to accumulate them instead of Alberto, since his won't count & the team has to get sufficient to keep the PT Licence.

Good point. Alberto winning races is costly for saxo in terms of WT points.
However the Saxo line up for San Luis isn't too strong either.

Maybe he'll work for Noval for a change

 

[Carols]

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/vuelta-ciclista-a-espana/revive-mejor-vuelta-2012/1657402/

Awesome vid, thanks for sharing....

 

[Dutchsmurf]

Good point. Alberto winning races is costly for saxo in terms of WT points.
However the Saxo line up for San Luis isn't too strong either.

Maybe he'll work for Noval for a change

You don't get WT points for San Luis, do you? So he might as well win it.

 

[the asian]

You don't get WT points for San Luis, do you? So he might as well win it.

Nope. 2.1.

 

[the asian]

has anyone considered that Contador winning WT races means other teams won't get those points either?

He gets points, but they don't count towards the team when considering their licence.

 

[Forunculo]

It´s not what i meant

When his points can be count, august 2014?

 

[Panda Claws]

2.1 races do give a few points when licenses are concerned.

 

[Miburo]

It´s not what i meant

It won't be that much a difference

 

[Publicus]

has anyone considered that Contador winning WT races means other teams won't get those points either?

Is that how it works? If he wins the Tour, do they not award top points to the 2nd place rider?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Is that how it works? If he wins the Tour, do they not award top points to the 2nd place rider?

No it doesn't work that way. If he scores x points, they count for every ranking except the one used when distributing the licenses. so he gets the points but they just don't count for one ranking.

 

[Miburo]

No it doesn't work that way. If he scores x points, they count for every ranking except the one used when distributing the licenses. so he gets the points but they just don't count for one ranking.

So he can for example win the UCI-ranking, right?

 

[LaFlorecita]

So he can for example win the UCI-ranking, right?

he can

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-stands-firm-on-contadors-worldtour-points

“Personally, Alberto Contador wins good points. He may even win the WorldTour. But when the season ends and the sporting evaluation of the teams are made, his points will not be included in the in the accounts,” Carpani told the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.

this still makes me angry, especially if this will stop Alberto from winning certain races

 

[Carols]

Is that how it works? If he wins the Tour, do they not award top points to the 2nd place rider?

Bertie earned 290 WT points in his very abbreviated 2012 season (Eneco and the Vuelta); finishing 12th in the rankings. As has been pointed out, none of those points counted towards Saxo UCI license.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_UCI_World_Tour#Individual

 

[Afrank]

he can

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-stands-firm-on-contadors-worldtour-points



this still makes me angry, especially if this will stop Alberto from winning certain races

Agree, I think it is pretty ridiculous that there are guys like Contador or Valverde who can easily score tons of points yet the teams don't get the benefit of those points. And it's even worse if this ends up keeping those guy's from winning races that they could win.

 

[Carols]

Agree, I think it is pretty ridiculous that there are guys like Contador or Valverde who can easily score tons of points yet the teams don't get the benefit of those points. And it's even worse if this ends up keeping those guy's from winning races that they could win.

Why would he not win because of it? How would that benefit Saxo? You mean like gift wins to Roche or Kreuziger?

 

[Nilsson]

Bertie earned 290 WT points in his very abbreviated 2012 season (Eneco and the Vuelta); finishing 12th in the rankings. As has been pointed out, none of those points counted towards Saxo UCI license.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_UCI_World_Tour#Individual

Officially that is. Of course they keep his points/results and strength in mind. If you read the regulations carefully, we make those points more important than they really are. It's just the best shortcut to qualify for the sporting criterion, only one of four criteria that is taken into account, in what we could describe as nothing less than the discretionary power of the licence commission to award a licence (or not, in the case of Katusha, unfortunately).

 

[Afrank]

Why would he not win because of it? How would that benefit Saxo? You mean like gift wins to Roche or Kreuziger?

Don't know if it would happen, but since Contador's points don't count for the team, the team might try to focus on other riders to win the races instead of helping Contador to win them. And who knows if those other riders would be able to pull it off.

If Contador or Valverde don't win as many races that they could win due to this, than that wouldn't be very good.

 

[The Hitch]

Don't know if it would happen, but since Contador's points don't count for the team, the team might try to focus on other riders to win the races instead of helping Contador to win them. And who knows if those other riders would be able to pull it off.

If Contador or Valverde don't win as many races that they could win due to this, than that wouldn't be very good.

Definitely do not see this happening. As the poster above said the points are far.from.the be all end.all of the wt system. + sponsors want exposure from winning. That's far more.important to.them than wt spots.in the future.

Besides saxo have put all their faith in contador. They don't seem to be worried at all.

 

[Angliru]

jesus christ. There is a reason I hate Andy. Wtf is this Alberto?

He really doesn't care anymore does he? It seems like he really has lost his motivation like someone mentioned a few days ago.

Contador likes to compete and with that in mind I can't imagine him showing up for an event in less than competitive form and a battling mindset. I really can't recall a race where he didn't at some point make his presence known. He's not one to ride in the pack for base miles--unless he has in fact lost his motivation to a certain degree of which I'll believe it when I see it.