Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[cineteq]

Contador at 90-95% is enough but how do you stay on that form exactly?

90-95% of Contador's end of 2012 Vuelta?

 

[LaFlorecita]

You're overrating Contador.
He needs to be at his very best to defend over 55,5k flat and straight tt against Wiggo in top form.
Also, Wiggo at his best won't lose hours on climbs (not even if Contador is also at his best).

and Alberto won't lose hours in the tt. so we still know nothing. Alberto could lose 3-4 minutes in the tt and could win 5 minutes in the mountains. maybe.

We're in new era now. Era of Sky's "marginal gains" and Contador's reasonable time trials.

did you see what happened with sky's "marginal gains" in la vuelta? and don't hit me with the - froome was in bad form argument, because Alberto wasn't great either. I'd say froome was at 90% and Alberto at 95%

and what is this new era you're talking about and when did it start? what about Alberto's time trials in il giro and le tour in 2011? were they "reasonable" or was it a different era?

 

[airstream]

Miburo, do you percieve the reality in an adequate way?

I'm being serious.

 

[serfla]

and Alberto won't lose hours in the tt. so we still know nothing. Alberto could lose 3-4 minutes in the tt and could win 5 minutes in the mountains. maybe.



did you see what happened with sky's "marginal gains" in la vuelta? and don't hit me with the - froome was in bad form argument, because Alberto wasn't great either. I'd say froome was at 90% and Alberto at 95%

and what is this new era you're talking about and when did it start? what about Alberto's time trials in il giro and le tour in 2011? were they "reasonable" or was it a different era?

All the answers you're searching for are here, my dear: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1113202&postcount=4629

 

[hfer07]

Apparently - IL GIRO has a picture of Alberto stating the He'll be consulting with the team management to see if he can "fit it" in his calender !!!!!

Poor Nibs & Wiggo if he decides to go ..... damn

 

[Miburo]

Miburo, do you percieve the reality in an adequate way?

I'm being serious.

You're being serious?

Nah

 

[LaFlorecita]

You can forget the 2011 Giro and take a look at Vuelta 2012. Yes, he won it, but far from the fashion we've expected.
Contador has never raced against Wiggo and Sky when they're targeting a race. So, every conclusion is unfounded and pure wishful thinking.

why, because it doesn't suit your theory?

P.S.
Era of Contador's reasonable tts has nothing to do with suspension. It started earlier... About when he realized he overdone it by beating Cancellara.
You can remind of latest World's tt too. That's, more or less, it.

2010
1st, Stage 4 ( ITT ), Vuelta a Castilla y León
2nd, Stage 5 ( ITT ), Volta ao Algarve
2nd, Stage 3 ( ITT ), Criterium International
4th, Stage 1 ( ITT ), Paris-Nice

2011
1st, Stage 16 (ITT), Giro d’Italia
1st, Stage 3 (ITT), Vuelta a Murcia
1st, Stage 4 (ITT), Vuelta a Castilla y León
3rd, Stage 20 (ITT), Tour de France
3rd, Stage 21 (ITT), Giro d’Italia

2012
2nd Stage 11 (ITT) Vuelta a España

yea definitely some mediocre tt results

 

[Miburo]

You can forget the 2011 Giro and take a look at Vuelta 2012. Yes, he won it, but far from the fashion we've expected.
Contador has never raced against Wiggo and Sky when they're targeting a race. So, every conclusion is unfounded and pure wishful thinking.

P.S.
Era of Contador's reasonable tts has nothing to do with suspension. It started earlier... About when he realized he overdone it by beating Cancellara.
You can remind of latest World's tt too. That's, more or less, it.

Contador was at his possible best in the vuelta? I don't think i need to discuss this any further if you truly believe that

 

[LaFlorecita]

Apparently - IL GIRO has a picture of Alberto stating the He'll be consulting with the team management to see if he can "fit it" in his calender !!!!!

Poor Nibs & Wiggo if he decides to go ..... damn

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador was at his possible best in the vuelta? I don't think i need to discuss this any further if you truly believe that

serfla looks like airstreams sockpuppet I've had these discussions before

 

[hfer07]

Would you like him to ride Il Giro, Flor?

 

[airstream]

Contador was at his possible best in the vuelta?

Whose problems is that?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Would you like him to ride Il Giro, Flor?

he needs to win le tour. But if he can race il giro without it hurting his chances for le tour I am ok. But I'd rather see him ride le tour + la vuelta and then worlds, but that won't happen of course.

 

[serfla]

why, because it doesn't suit your theory?



2010
1st, Stage 4 ( ITT ), Vuelta a Castilla y León
2nd, Stage 5 ( ITT ), Volta ao Algarve
2nd, Stage 3 ( ITT ), Criterium International
4th, Stage 1 ( ITT ), Paris-Nice

2011
1st, Stage 16 (ITT), Giro d’Italia
1st, Stage 3 (ITT), Vuelta a Murcia
1st, Stage 4 (ITT), Vuelta a Castilla y León
3rd, Stage 20 (ITT), Tour de France
3rd, Stage 21 (ITT), Giro d’Italia

2012
2nd Stage 11 (ITT) Vuelta a España

yea definitely some mediocre tt results

Give me a break, Flo. You're just an in love girl, and like every in love person you're blinded by glow of your deity,
How about 2010 Tour tts? Don't tell me he was off form, 'cause you're considering he won that race.
And don't forget that we're talking about 90 - 95% Contador. Not 100%, not 2009. or 2011.. Long, flat tts and 100% Wiggo.
He'll be waving just like he did in Valkenburg.

 

[Cimber]

You can forget the 2011 Giro and take a look at Vuelta 2012. Yes, he won it, but far from the fashion we've expected.
Contador has never raced against Wiggo and Sky when they're targeting a race. So, every conclusion is unfounded and pure wishful thinking.

P.S.
Era of Contador's reasonable tts has nothing to do with suspension. It started earlier... About when he realized he overdone it by beating Cancellara.
You can remind of latest World's tt too. That's, more or less, it.

At the Vuelta 2012 Contador was maybe at 90%. He had barely raced for a whole year before the Vuelta. That said I dont think he should do the Giro this year. All in on the Tour.

 

[LaFlorecita]

by the way http://www.marchaalbertocontador.com/portal/inicio.php the day il giro finishes.... hmm....

 

[serfla]

Contador was at his possible best in the vuelta? I don't think i need to discuss this any further if you truly believe that

Are we talking here about Contador at his best or at his 90 - 95%.
You're very childish fan. It was you who set the parameters, and now you're disregarding them.

 

[cineteq]

At the Vuelta 2012 Contador was maybe at 90%. He had barely raced for a whole year before the Vuelta. That said I dont think he should do the Giro this year. All in on the Tour.

IMO Contador was between 95-100% at the end of 2012 Vuelta. If he had been at 90% he would've lost.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Give me a break, Flo. You're just an in love girl, and like every in love person you're blinded by glow of your deity,

I am not in love. I don't even know Alberto.

How about 2010 Tour tts? Don't tell me he was off form, 'cause you're considering he won that race.

So? In the first part Andy ****ing Schleck was faster than him he had many bad days during 2010 tour and the tt was one of them, the night before he'd barely slept because the cold wet tourmalet had made him ill.

And don't forget that we're talking about 90 - 95% Contador. Not 100%, not 2009. or 2011.. Long, flat tts and 100% Wiggo.

Yea... indeed... well actually 1 long flat tt

He'll be waving just like he did in Valkenburg.

or will he be waving like this?

 

[LaFlorecita]

IMO Contador was between 95-100% at the end of 2012 Vuelta. If he had been at 90% he would've lost.

he almost lost you know. he just caught jrod off guard. He was smarter than jrod and broke him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Are we talking here about Contador at his best or at his 90 - 95%.
You're very childish fan. It was you who set the parameters, and now you're disregarding them.

90-95%. You seem to think he was at his best though

 

[airstream]

Logic according to which Contador couild drop others at 2009 tour but could not in 2010 and hence he was allegedly off form is an amazing delusion. I'd even say it is simply offensive because an assumption like that makes others clowns, crowd scene, amateurs whereas they are elite bike riders. It's never the same twice. Afterall, it is a competition, not the kinddom of the one.

 

[serfla]

I am not in love. I don't even know Alberto

You don't have to know him to be in love.

Responding to everything else is useless. Emotions are ruling here, not nous.

 

[serfla]

90-95%. You seem to think he was at his best though

Don't be rude and falsify my arguments.
It is you and Miburo who are talking about 90% Contador in terms of his results when he was 100%.
I don't like the way this discussion developed.
That's it from me.

 

[cineteq]

he almost lost you know. he just caught jrod off guard. He was smarter than jrod and broke him.

Right, he caught Purito off guard, but still he needed to perform with 50km to go. Thus he was close to 100%.