Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[BlurryVII]

Unless your convinced Froome max efforts in the mountains at 100% will never drop Contador. I havent seen that yet.

Just like I haven't seen Froome dropping on-form Contador yet.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'd hate seeing him targetting the Tour every year, I love 3rd option, but my point was: he needs to make sure (which means maximize his odds) to win the Tour alone just one more time and then go for doubles.

Not go for crazy *** doubles while he hasn't won the Tour for 4 years .

this might be his last chance to go for the double. if he would just target the Tour and win comfortably, he'll forever wonder what would have happened if he'd ridden the Giro.

TDF is just another GT on his palmares, Giro-Tour double = awesome

 

[Miburo]

Oh, I did, every stage.

But, erm, you obviously have me wrong. I think Contador will easily win the Giro, it's how he does it that I've been posting about. What I really hope, is he does so in a way that he can be fresh enough to compete with Quintana and Nibali in July.

Ok my bad then, yea you're right.

 

[ferryman]

No thats not accurate. Anything post Stage 2 at the Dauphine doesnt mean anything. U must weigh the Crashes.

Robert Millar won the Dauphine for FFS. It means nothing. Weighing up the crashes means fook all also. Clean slate (but hardly, given Contador broke his leg over a wrist break FFS) and there was a CLEAR AND EASY WINNER IN THE VUELTA. Class always tells in the end. I hate using bolds to get the message across but sometimes it seems it needs to be done.

It doesn't mean your man is a bad rider, just not the best. Enjoy him, and enjoy the best. We all do similar with our favourite football teams. I'll be Hearts till I die, but they ain't and never will be a, Bayern/Barca/Madrid..I can live with that..

 

[cineteq]

Better a 99% sure Giro win and a 40% chance for the TDF, than a 50% for the Tour and nothing else.

From the same creators of "Nibali won the 2014 Tour because the competition was too weak" comes "Contador should try and win the 2015 Giro since the competition is too weak"

 

[LaFlorecita]

From the same creators of "Nibali won the 2014 Tour because the competition was too weak" comes "Contador should try and win the 2015 Giro since the competition is too weak"

LOL no.

try again

 

[peloton]

From the same creators of "Nibali won the 2014 Tour because the competition was too weak" comes "Contador should try and win the 2015 Giro since the competition is too weak"

The competition was weak, but it takes absolutely nothing away from Nibali's win, not his fault others crashed out. Best man won, very simple.

Giro is by far the best GT for me, so I'm very happy Contador will ride it, weak competition or not. I just wouldn't say he'll have an easy win, as we all know anything can happen.

 

[cineteq]

LOL no.

try again

So if was Red Rick or Miburo who said that? Okay here we go again => From the same creators of "Nibali didn't deserve to have won the 2014 Tour because the competition was too weak" comes "Contador should try and win the 2015 Giro even though the competition is too weak"

Hope you're satisfied now.

The competition was weak, but it takes absolutely nothing away from Nibali's win, not his fault others crashed out. Best man won, very simple.

Don't preach to the converted.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So if was Red Rick or Miburo who said that? Okay here we go again => From the same creators of "Nibali didn't deserve to have won the 2014 Tour because the competition was too weak" comes "Contador should try and win the 2015 Giro even though the competition is too weak"

Hope you're satisfied now.

Yes.

He shouldn't change his plans just because everyone else is too chicken to show up.

Don't forget Nibali was planning on riding until Alberto announced he was going for the double

 

[cineteq]

Don't forget Nibali was planning on riding until Alberto announced he was going for the double

Talk to Vino and have him make Aru be Nibali's domestique if you want him to do the Giro. Nibali's always game when it comes to doing the Giro.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Talk to Vino and have him make Aru be Nibali's domestique if you want him to do the Giro. Nibali's always game when it comes to doing the Giro.

Why don't you? I don't give a **** about Nibali.

 

[Miburo]

Contador won his GT's against the best, Contador is the best GT rider of the last 10 years.

He doesn't need to prove anything towards nibali. Nibali is a bug compared to Contador.

When will people learn that nibali shouldn't be brought up in the same sentence as Contador?

 

[cineteq]

Why don't you? I don't give a **** about Nibali.

I won't 'cause I want Nibali to defend his Tour title. However, I want Contador to skip the Giro so he has no excuses. That's all I care.

 

[Red Rick]

Cineteq, I never said Nibali wasn't a worthy winner. He was by far the strongest man left. I said he beat a crap field and I never blamed the guy for choosing to ride the Tour or the others crashing out

Its simply a good choice choosing to try the double when you know you're facing weak opposition in the Giro.

I actually don't know why I'm posting again, cause you're probably gonna take this post out of context too

 

[cineteq]

Cineteq, I never said Nibali wasn't a worthy winner. He was by far the strongest man left. I said he beat a crap field and I never blamed the guy for choosing to ride the Tour or the others crashing out

Its simply a good choice choosing to try the double when you know you're facing weak opposition in the Giro.

Sorry, I thought it was you. LaFlor already admitted to it.

 

[Red Rick]

Sorry, I thought it was you. LaFlor already admitted to it.

Glad that's out of the way

 

[LaFlorecita]

I won't 'cause I want Nibali to defend his Tour title. However, I want Contador to skip the Giro so he has no excuses. That's all I care.

He won't need excuses, he'll crush Nibali either way

 

[Dr. Juice]

He won't need excuses, he'll crush Nibali either way

+1

Contador vs Nibali uphill is like Pantani compared to Zülle or Tonkov. Or '00s Ullrich.
While Quintana might be Heras and Froome could be Armstrong.

Alberto is 1 level up on Nibali. A normal Giro in his legs won't bring him down to Nibali level if he has worked well in the winter and in spring.

 

[BlurryVII]

The problem is not Nibali nor Quintana. I think he can still beat them with the Giro in his legs. His next year form remains to be seen though, nothing should be taken for granted. Maybe he'll not show up as strong as last year.

The main problem is Froome. I thought he'd do the Giro, that would've screwed him up a bit but he doesn't .

 

[Electress]

I can totally understand that after last year AC has little desire to focus on the Tour alone. It's not like he gets a lot of love there. He has done pretty much everything, he has a few good years left. So why not try and tick off some of the remaining 'may well be impossible' feats? The desire to win yet another GT can't motivate him the same way it did at the beginning. I think he thrives on the challenge of adversity like the situation at the Vuelta.

I love him for doing this stuff. He laid down a challenge that no one else wants to join in with. Why back away from something he wants to do just because it isn't anyone else's priority? I happen to think he has a real shot and will happily place a bet on him.

Fact is, for all some people go on about AC needing / wanting to beat Froome to show someone something (I'm not quite sure who or what), it is really vice versa. He's the guy with the cabinet full of trophies. It is Froome and others who needs to beat an in-form Contador to prove something. AC can do whatever he wants over the next couple of years, and I'm pretty sure history will prove that all these guys are minnows in comparison to what he's achieved already.

 

[contador977]

Robert Millar won the Dauphine for FFS. It means nothing. Weighing up the crashes means fook all also. Clean slate (but hardly, given Contador broke his leg over a wrist break FFS) and there was a CLEAR AND EASY WINNER IN THE VUELTA. Class always tells in the end. I hate using bolds to get the message across but sometimes it seems it needs to be done.

It doesn't mean your man is a bad rider, just not the best. Enjoy him, and enjoy the best. We all do similar with our favourite football teams. I'll be Hearts till I die, but they ain't and never will be a, Bayern/Barca/Madrid..I can live with that..

As far as Im concerned your watching a different sport. Probably the Tour of Condescension.

 

[Jspear]

As far as Im concerned your watching a different sport. Probably the Tour of Condescension.

This doesn't really effectively address anything in the above post.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Who cares what some useless idiots on the internet think. The fans will know what Alberto could have achieved. Arguing what if's with the idiots is pointless.

So funny. Whining about others being impolite, while at the same time posting virtually nothing but insults, either to riders or to people who disagree.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Actually it's not boxing, it's cycling... so nobody needs to beat another rider to prove his worth. It's about winning races, not beating somebody else. Plus you can only beat the ones who are there.
Contador wins against Uran, Aru etc? Worth exactly the same as if he wins against Froome and Nibali, the Giro is what he wins, not the title "beater of F&N".
Plus let's not pretend Uran is nothing. If he does the Giro, he's favorite no 2 as it looks now, and still improving.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I can totally understand that after last year AC has little desire to focus on the Tour alone. It's not like he gets a lot of love there. He has done pretty much everything, he has a few good years left. So why not try and tick off some of the remaining 'may well be impossible' feats? The desire to win yet another GT can't motivate him the same way it did at the beginning. I think he thrives on the challenge of adversity like the situation at the Vuelta.

I love him for doing this stuff. He laid down a challenge that no one else wants to join in with. Why back away from something he wants to do just because it isn't anyone else's priority? I happen to think he has a real shot and will happily place a bet on him.

Fact is, for all some people go on about AC needing / wanting to beat Froome to show someone something (I'm not quite sure who or what), it is really vice versa. He's the guy with the cabinet full of trophies. It is Froome and others who needs to beat an in-form Contador to prove something. AC can do whatever he wants over the next couple of years, and I'm pretty sure history will prove that all these guys are minnows in comparison to what he's achieved already.

So true. Good post.