Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[ray j willings]

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On Bein Sport, one half of "clentadopucci" had a question for the other half.

Claudio asked if Berto thinks he could have won a stage.
Contador said, yeah maybe one of the mtfs.
Claudio asked which one.
Berto said he wouldn't say because those stages belong to other riders.

All class 🙂

Where did you see class in there? Looks to me like not admitting his weakness. Was there a single stage this Giro in which he had the same time as winner (not counting sprint stages)? And there wasn't a single gift given. Kind of doubt he got dropped by Landa on purpose and choosing to follow Landa instead of Aru is a tactical choice, not gifting a stage to Aru. Unless he makes an assumption that he could have won one of the stages won by the breakaway.

I think you got some serious case on confirmation bias going on by just looking at the last sentence of the interview instead of putting everything into perspective.

I think you need to look at my graph

 

[damian13ster]

I did. Your graph was awesome 😀
Completely unrelated to interview though

 

[LaFlorecita]

Drunk clown in the Tinkoff-Saxo car 😕

 

[ggusta]

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I just want to say as a unbiased Bertie fan that no way was Landa a better climber in this tour than Bertie.
In my non biased opinion and using stats made up in my own head I have Bertie 33 minutes ahead of Landa and if you add the TT that goes up to over 2 days
This graph will help fill in the details of my mind

Where's the motor in the drawing?

 

[Carols]

ROTFLMAO!!!!

 

[BlurryVII]

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I just want to say as a unbiased Bertie fan that no way was Landa a better climber in this tour than Bertie.
In my non biased opinion and using stats made up in my own head I have Bertie 33 minutes ahead of Landa and if you add the TT that goes up to over 2 days
This graph will help fill in the details of my mind

Dude, you're an absolute legend 😀

I laughed more than I should have

 

[ggusta]

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9 7 here are some other numbers that may or may not upset posters 3 69 5 23 11 1

I take offense to all non-prime numbers.

 

[ggusta]

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Drunk clown in the Tinkoff-Saxo car 😕

They have a term for this in Russia: Sunday.

 

[Forunculo]

 

[moi123]

The Giro and a kiss from Macarena.

 

[ggusta]

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[Carols]

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I just want to say as a unbiased Bertie fan that no way was Landa a better climber in this tour than Bertie.
In my non biased opinion and using stats made up in my own head I have Bertie 33 minutes ahead of Landa and if you add the TT that goes up to over 2 days
This graph will help fill in the details of my mind

Dude, you're an absolute legend 😀

I laughed more than I should have

I don't know what is funnier, Oleg pics or Ray's chart! 😀

 

[rhubroma]

Nibali will be smashed at Dauphiné.


Concerning Berto, I hope that he's been "far" from his best level in this Giro otherwise Tour is gonna be complicated.

My thoughts exactly, he'll have to step up his game considerably, or else he's gonna get clobbered in France. The question is can he do it?

On the other hand you had a tempo set at this Giro, with all that climbing that the Tour would find difficult to match. Astana was on fire and Aru, Landa and company were racing this Giro without "phase two" in mind.

I can only imagine that Alberto started the Giro at 80% and has come out of it with still a margin to gain for July. Otherwise, as you said, it will be complicated indeed.

 

[Red Rick]

Re:

I just want to say as a unbiased Bertie fan that no way was Landa a better climber in this tour than Bertie.
In my non biased opinion and using stats made up in my own head I have Bertie 33 minutes ahead of Landa and if you add the TT that goes up to over 2 days
This graph will help fill in the details of my mind

Mind if I use that for presenting my research for my bachelor internship?

 

[T-Nielsen]

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9 7 here are some other numbers that may or may not upset posters 3 69 5 23 11 1

How dare you mock me like that. I will NEVER forgive you.

 

[BlurryVII]

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https://instagram.com/veronicascognamiglio/

😀

 

[Flamin]

Too much botox.

 

[BlurryVII]

 

[richwagmn]

Nibali will be smashed at Dauphiné.


Concerning Berto, I hope that he's been "far" from his best level in this Giro otherwise Tour is gonna be complicated.

My thoughts exactly, he'll have to step up his game considerably, or else he's gonna get clobbered in France. The question is can he do it?

On the other hand you had a tempo set at this Giro, with all that climbing that the Tour would find difficult to match. Astana was on fire and Aru, Landa and company were racing this Giro without "phase two" in mind.

I can only imagine that Alberto started the Giro at 80% and has come out of it with still a margin to gain for July. Otherwise, as you said, it will be complicated indeed.

LeMond thought Alberto would have no problem recovering in time. I know LeMond road a few Giros. I don't know if they were in his winning TDF years.

As for the TDF, it will indeed be complicated. There are four real contenders this year and several others who could cause problems. Most of the other teams (Astana, Movistar, Team Sky) have climbers who could stay with their leaders much longer. From what I've seen in the Giro, Saxo is sorely lacking compared to the other teams.

Also, might Sagan be a complication in the TDF? Will Sagan have to freelance his way to green or will Saxo dedicate some support to him?

 

[BlurryVII]

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Looks like Oleg has a message to share

 

[ILovecycling]

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I just want to say as a unbiased Bertie fan that no way was Landa a better climber in this tour than Bertie.
In my non biased opinion and using stats made up in my own head I have Bertie 33 minutes ahead of Landa and if you add the TT that goes up to over 2 days
This graph will help fill in the details of my mind

As a proud soon-to-economist I have to say your graph is beautiful LOL 😀

 

[ILovecycling]

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Yeah, *** those Oleg pictures, this is a whole another level 😱

 

[rhubroma]

Nibali will be smashed at Dauphiné.


Concerning Berto, I hope that he's been "far" from his best level in this Giro otherwise Tour is gonna be complicated.

My thoughts exactly, he'll have to step up his game considerably, or else he's gonna get clobbered in France. The question is can he do it?

On the other hand you had a tempo set at this Giro, with all that climbing that the Tour would find difficult to match. Astana was on fire and Aru, Landa and company were racing this Giro without "phase two" in mind.

I can only imagine that Alberto started the Giro at 80% and has come out of it with still a margin to gain for July. Otherwise, as you said, it will be complicated indeed.

LeMond thought Alberto would have no problem recovering in time. I know LeMond road a few Giros. I don't know if they were in his winning TDF years.

As for the TDF, it will indeed be complicated. There are four real contenders this year and several others who could cause problems. Most of the other teams (Astana, Movistar, Team Sky) have climbers who could stay with their leaders much longer. From what I've seen in the Giro, Saxo is sorely lacking compared to the other teams.

Also, might Sagan be a complication in the TDF? Will Sagan have to freelance his way to green or will Saxo dedicate some support to him?

If I remember correctly, Lemond finished 4th in the 86 Giro (but working for Hinault who won) and then won the Tour. Then he had a disastrous Giro in 89 (but came second on the last TT), and went on to win the Tour.

I think Contador can certainly recoveer, what I'm not certain about is can he improve at the same time. This is the risk anyone attempting the double faces. Getting the equilibrium right between not coming into the Giro too much on fire (perhaps like 2011, when, though, he hadn't planned for the double), and coming out of the Giro with enough of a margin to benefit from the Italian race for the French one.

Pantani was better at the 98 Giro, I think than Contador in this one, started the Tour decidedly under tone, to then get back up to flying in the second and third weeks.

Anyway you see it, it's complicated.

 

[No_Balls]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-if-contador-wins-the-tour-de-france-he-should-target-the-vuelta

 

[HiroAntagonist]

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Yeah, **** those Oleg pictures, this is a whole another level 😱

Pretty sure I just had a marginal gain...