Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[damian13ster]

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Contador also has his reasons as to why he couldn't drop Froome on the first 2 stages of the Dauphiné, which is not riding Romandie and taking a huge break after Pais Vasco.

rider 1 having the edge form-wise over rider 2 due to biggest amount of racing miles is quite a shaky generalization. i think you realize it yourself. that's way more complicated, sometimes it works, other times not as we all could make sure yesterday.

Yeah, Quintana won against Contador because he was on a training camp, while Contador was already racing.
Contador was weaker than Froome in Dauphine before the crash because he didn't have a race in his legs.

What part don't you understand?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Btw I do think that the leg break was BS.

It was not a break, it was a hairline fracture. Similar to what he had in his elbow in the 2008 Giro, and in his sacrum after last year's Catalunya. Annoying, especially when it's your leg, but no, it doesn't take weeks to heal.

 

[BlurryVII]

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Contador also has his reasons as to why he couldn't drop Froome on the first 2 stages of the Dauphiné, which is not riding Romandie and taking a huge break after Pais Vasco.

rider 1 having the edge form-wise over rider 2 due to biggest amount of racing miles is quite a shaky generalization. i think you realize it yourself. that's way more complicated, sometimes it works, other times not as we all could make sure yesterday.

I'd agree with that. But AC never performs at his best at the Dauphiné, Froome has shown, especially in 2013, to be almost at 100% at the Dauphiné.

I don't even know why people bring that out in favor of Froome all the time, like... he lost lol. He did well on Finault Emosson and still lost the leader's jersey. Everything was hinting to AC getting better throughout the week as well. Just get over it.

 

[Red Rick]

Take it here viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20956&start=260

Also, reply 34,000 ITT

 

[damian13ster]

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Contador also has his reasons as to why he couldn't drop Froome on the first 2 stages of the Dauphiné, which is not riding Romandie and taking a huge break after Pais Vasco.

rider 1 having the edge form-wise over rider 2 due to biggest amount of racing miles is quite a shaky generalization. i think you realize it yourself. that's way more complicated, sometimes it works, other times not as we all could make sure yesterday.

I'd agree with that. But AC never performs at his best at the Dauphiné, Froome has shown, especially in 2013, to be almost at 100% at the Dauphiné.

I don't even know why people bring that out in favor of Froome all the time, like... he lost lol. He did well on Finault Emosson and still lost the leader's jersey. Everything was hinting to AC getting better throughout the week as well. Just get over it.

True. Talansky was by far the best!

 

[BlurryVII]

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Contador also has his reasons as to why he couldn't drop Froome on the first 2 stages of the Dauphiné, which is not riding Romandie and taking a huge break after Pais Vasco.

rider 1 having the edge form-wise over rider 2 due to biggest amount of racing miles is quite a shaky generalization. i think you realize it yourself. that's way more complicated, sometimes it works, other times not as we all could make sure yesterday.

I'd agree with that. But AC never performs at his best at the Dauphiné, Froome has shown, especially in 2013, to be almost at 100% at the Dauphiné.

I don't even know why people bring that out in favor of Froome all the time, like... he lost lol. He did well on Finault Emosson and still lost the leader's jersey. Everything was hinting to AC getting better throughout the week as well. Just get over it.

True. Talansky was by far the best!

Contador lost because he had no team.

Contador was getting better day by day, you just don't know if Froome could've contained him had he not crashed.

Who cares anyway, Froome had another shot at AC at the Vuelta, he miserably lost. Happy?

 

[dacooley]

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Contador also has his reasons as to why he couldn't drop Froome on the first 2 stages of the Dauphiné, which is not riding Romandie and taking a huge break after Pais Vasco.

rider 1 having the edge form-wise over rider 2 due to biggest amount of racing miles is quite a shaky generalization. i think you realize it yourself. that's way more complicated, sometimes it works, other times not as we all could make sure yesterday.

I'd agree with that. But AC never performs at his best at the Dauphiné, Froome has shown, especially in 2013, to be almost at 100% at the Dauphiné.

I don't even know why people bring that out in favor of Froome all the time, like... he lost lol. He did well on Finault Emosson and still lost the leader's jersey. Everything was hinting to AC getting better throughout the week as well. Just get over it.

regarding the 2014 season i concur wholeheartedly. the only point we part our ways globabally is contador cannot be considered the strongest Today based on the 2014 season. in 2014 he was clearly dominant, in 2015 someone else was stronger on aggregate imo. to be reckoned the best gc rider this year bertie should win the tour.

 

[Carols]

OMG I log in to find all the usual suspects at each others throats yet again. Really how old are you people?

This is the Contador thread not the bait LaFlo and make people crazy thread!

EDIT: Someone got the Contador vs Froome thread back on page 1. Please all who want to discuss that go there. Thanks!

 

[Matteo.]

Everyone talking about Froome when , at the moment, the real tricks are his not great shape and Quintana

 

[Valv.Piti]

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He'd need no tactical plan if he reaches this kind of form. Catalunya is not Tour

That is not enough againts Quintana and Froome, at least with good weather. To put 2 seconds to Nibali in a really hard 2 km climb is so impressive?

Yeah, ignore the entire 2014 season, and Contador's sharpness at that Tour and tell me it wouldn't have been enough against Froome and Quintana. Talking about brainless people. Reality is that Contador destroyed Quintana and Froome in every race in 2014. (Tirreno, Catalunya, Dauphiné, Vuelta). Wake up.

Again, its very hard to have a good tone when we are faced with comments like these everytime we question the great Contador. I mean, is is THAT hard to write what you wrote, but just not writing that we are brainless? There is no clear answer to it. Taxus has one perspective, you another, but that doesn't make him brainless, rather make you look like a fool.

If we were to have this conversation, lets remember its a semi flawed logic you use: Quintana were peaking for the Giro, while Contador obviously for the Tour. We all know that was a big difference. Meanwhile, he beat Froome with like 10 seconds over 2 MTF's. That not exactly smashing. Third, in the Dauphine, Froome won the 2 first stages hotly contested by Contador, but then crashed and obviously wasn't himself from that point on in the race. I think that was clear to everyone. But there is obviously no denying Contador was incredibly strong: Question was, can he match Quintana and Froome at 100%? We don't know.

Oh, Contador dropped Froome by much more than just 10 seconds on 2 MTF's at the Vuelta. I'd suggest you to rewatch that .
Contador also has his reasons as to why he couldn't drop Froome on the first 2 stages of the Dauphiné, which is not riding Romandie and taking a huge break after Pais Vasco. Froome crashed and so what? Contador crashed even worse at the Giro 15', didn't prevent him from performing good and winning the Giro.

Your question can be asked both ways, Can Quintana and Froome beat AC at 100%? After all, Contador is still the one who has won most GTs post ban, isn't it?

I thought it was quite clear that I was referring to Catalunya since you listed T-A, Catalunya and Dauphine in that order and I responded do that. Obviously Contador dropped Froome by more in the Vuelta, but Froome was stronger in Dauphine in which you counter with Froome had raced more prior to the Dauphine. That argument was reversed in this exact thread yesterday when it was pointed out that Quintana also had an advantage in Catalunya 16 compared to Contador because he didn't race prior cause of all the cold weather en Europe and stuff + Columbian benefits... you see?

Yes, it can be asked both ways, and we still really don't know the answer to it. Froome has to be given the edge at this moment since he won the Tour in 13 and 15, especially 13, rather convincingly which obviously is the biggest mark in this conversation, but Quintana and Contador aren't far behind at all. And yes, he is, 3. Froome has 2. Quintana 1. Quintana started one year later (13), while Froome won the Tour twice which again has to be the centre of the conversation when comparing riders too each other at 100%. So far, after his ban, Contador has failed in this regard due to a lacklustre season, bad luck and Il Giro, so I hope we get it settled once for all. But again, this present moment, Froome has the edge.

 

[Matteo.]

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OMG I log in to find all the usual suspects at each others throats yet again. Really how old are you people?

This is the Contador thread not the bait LaFlo and make people crazy thread!

EDIT: Someone got the Contador vs Froome thread back on page 1. Please all who want to discuss that go there. Thanks!

Bravo Carols , well said

 

[BlurryVII]

Plus Froome didn't even drop Contador on Beal, I mean it's a *** joke that people still bring that race out lol. If the roles were reversed, AC attacking the same way without being able to drop Froome, haters would still find a way to say that Froome was stronger lol.

But since it's Froome, everytime he moves a finger "ohhh he's gone thermonuclear'. Made me laugh at the Dauphiné 15 when he only managed to put less than 20 s on TGV, and people thinking he's going 7 w/kg lmfao.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Plus Froome didn't even drop Contador on Beal, I mean it's a **** joke that people still bring that race out lol. If the roles were reversed, AC attacking the same way without being able to drop Froome, haters would still find a way to say that Froome was stronger lol.

But since it's Froome, everytime he moves a finger "ohhh he's gone thermonuclear'. Made me laugh at the Dauphiné 15 when he only managed to put less than 20 s on TGV, and people thinking he's going 7 w/kg lmfao.

 

[BlurryVII]

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while Froome won the Tour twice which again has to be the centre of the conversation when comparing riders too each other at 100%. So far, after his ban, Contador has failed in this regard due to a lacklustre season, bad luck and Il Giro,

 

[dacooley]

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Plus Froome didn't even drop Contador on Beal, I mean it's a **** joke that people still bring that race out lol. If the roles were reversed, AC attacking the same way without being able to drop Froome, haters would still find a way to say that Froome was stronger lol.

But since it's Froome, everytime he moves a finger "ohhh he's gone thermonuclear'. Made me laugh at the Dauphiné 15 when he only managed to put less than 20 s on TGV, and people thinking he's going 7 w/kg lmfao.

well we can't help but notice that the same facetious hype is built around bertie as well. it's normal.

 

[Jspear]

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Plus Froome didn't even drop Contador on Beal, I mean it's a **** joke that people still bring that race out lol. If the roles were reversed, AC attacking the same way without being able to drop Froome, haters would still find a way to say that Froome was stronger lol.

But since it's Froome, everytime he moves a finger "ohhh he's gone thermonuclear'. Made me laugh at the Dauphiné 15 when he only managed to put less than 20 s on TGV, and people thinking he's going 7 w/kg lmfao.

well we can't help but notice that the same facetious hype is built around bertie as well. it's normal.

You can't overhype AC.

Joke

 

[rick james]

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Contador also has his reasons as to why he couldn't drop Froome on the first 2 stages of the Dauphiné, which is not riding Romandie and taking a huge break after Pais Vasco.

rider 1 having the edge form-wise over rider 2 due to biggest amount of racing miles is quite a shaky generalization. i think you realize it yourself. that's way more complicated, sometimes it works, other times not as we all could make sure yesterday.

I'd agree with that. But AC never performs at his best at the Dauphiné, Froome has shown, especially in 2013, to be almost at 100% at the Dauphiné.

I don't even know why people bring that out in favor of Froome all the time, like... he lost lol. He did well on Finault Emosson and still lost the leader's jersey. Everything was hinting to AC getting better throughout the week as well. Just get over it.

True. Talansky was by far the best!

Contador lost because he had no team.

Contador was getting better day by day, you just don't know if Froome could've contained him had he not crashed.

Who cares anyway, Froome had another shot at AC at the Vuelta, he miserably lost. Happy?

For the last 2 weeks all we've heard is that Bertie doesn't need a team

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its pointless to have a proper debate with flurry. I think we should all stop to even attempt it since he is out of reach.

 

[dacooley]

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while Froome won the Tour twice which again has to be the centre of the conversation when comparing riders too each other at 100%. So far, after his ban, Contador has failed in this regard due to a lacklustre season, bad luck and Il Giro,

do froome and quintana have anything to do with bertie not being good in the tour or the tour is a function of one variable (bertie's form)? you prefer not to see a threat in any opponent is what never ceizes to amaze me.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Of course he needs a team. He can't control every break and chase down every rider on his own.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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while Froome won the Tour twice which again has to be the centre of the conversation when comparing riders too each other at 100%. So far, after his ban, Contador has failed in this regard due to a lacklustre season, bad luck and Il Giro,

do froome and quintana have anything to do with bertie not being good in the tour or the tour is a function of one variable (bertie's form)? you prefer not to see a threat in any opponent is what never ceizes to amaze me.

Its pointless I'm afraid. Flurry is one of those guys you can't reach, unfortunately.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Did you just post the same thing twice and who the hell is Flurry

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Did you just post the same thing twice and who the hell is Flurry

Whoops. I obviously meant blurry, my bad.

 

[Sciocco]

He has a chance on Sunday, I hope he goes for it. Tinkoff can try to blow the race up a bit on the earlier circuits then he can go on the final one. Doesn't need the stage win, just a gap and maybe 2nd or 3rd.

I stand by my earlier (pre-PN) prediction, he'll win one of the three stage races, the TdF, and maybe something later in the season. 54km of ITT in the Tour is nice for Contador, I really think he can go well there and of course he'll ride well elsewhere. A Tour can be won without being the best climber on every mountain. I wish more of the Tour profiles were released on procyclingstats...

 

[Jakub]

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He has a chance on Sunday, I hope he goes for it. Tinkoff can try to blow the race up a bit on the earlier circuits then he can go on the final one. Doesn't need the stage win, just a gap and maybe 2nd or 3rd.

I stand by my earlier (pre-PN) prediction, he'll win one of the three stage races, the TdF, and maybe something later in the season. 54km of ITT in the Tour is nice for Contador, I really think he can go well there and of course he'll ride well elsewhere. A Tour can be won without being the best climber on every mountain. I wish more of the Tour profiles were released on procyclingstats...

one of whcih three - do you mean three spring ones? He's scheduled for Dauphine too.