Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Miburo]

In 2014 he was as good as in 2009 imo. I'm saying that because of the last stage in the dauphine. He was a monster there

 

[BlurryVII]

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Alperto needs to be at 2009 level to beat Froome in Tour de France.

We will see in July

He's right about that Fleur but comparing those climbing times of course is *** cause it lacks context.

Real champions always go out with a bang, with one last effort. Look at MJ with the bulls, look at Kobe getting 2 more rings when he wasn't in his prime anymore, there are many other examples.

Aslong as he doesn't win the tour again, the story isn't complete. Just one more time.

According to a few, Contador only needs to be close to his 2014-level to win the Tour!

As fleur pointed out, we don't know what was his Tour 14' level exactly. If it was 2009 like, then yes, just being near that would be enough to win the Tour. 2009 level would absolutely annihilate them all.
If it was more Tour 10'/ Giro 2011 then he'd need to be roughly at that level to be able to win the Tour.

 

[ray j willings]

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Alperto needs to be at 2009 level to beat Froome in Tour de France.

2014 level is good enough , he kicked froomes as% and destroyed and toyed with him at the Vuelta remember that ?

I'm sure your reply will be full of excuses for froome getting a beating from bertie.
The fact you mention the Mt Ventoux attack when the data proved that attack was not that special shows how little you know. 2014 BABY

 

[BlurryVII]

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So Alberto was over a minute slower than in 2009 in a climb lasting under 15 min. Froome will destroy him (again) in Ventoux.

Hw would go much quicker if he didn't have Henao with him. Not 2009 like, but 20-30 seconds quicker would be possible. You have to take into consideration that today was wet and that they had a killer stage even before the final climb.

Spot on but the thing is... he cannot understand that. Way too complex for him to process.

He's got that dead end logic, ya know, AC couldn't beat thomas in PN, so he'd never beat Froome and Poels in Catalunya lmao. Y'know what I'm s4y1ng.

 

[Matteo.]

In Giro 2011 he was stronger than Tour 2010 where I do not remember an action ''worthy'' of note apart Mende. Just then compare his TTing in Giro 11 and Tour 10...

Anyway, in this moment he seems more in Giro 2011 shape than 2014

 

[Red Rick]

Tour 10' was pretty good actually. I think it's a perfect example of him not being unbeatable but still winning. Though he won in that spring, he did it against competition that wasn't quite as it is now. I'd say on that level he'd at least be competitive.

 

[BlurryVII]

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In Giro 2011 he was stronger than Tour 2010 where I do not remember an action ''worthy'' of note apart Mende. Just then compare his TTing in Giro 11 and Tour 10...

Yeah definitely, I agree. But I was refering to something between the two. But yeah, I'd sign straight away for a Giro 2011 level at the Tour 16'.

 

[Miburo]

Giro 2011 Contador wasn't as good as Contador 2009. He crushed everyone on verbier, had the most watts ever and beat canc (in a ITT) in his prime.

I think the arcalis climb was more impressive than verbier though. I've no clue how fast he could have gone on the ventoux, still disappointed in him that he didn't just ride there FTW.

 

[harryh]

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Alperto needs to be at 2009 level to beat Froome in Tour de France.

2014 level is good enough , he kicked froomes as% and destroyed and toyed with him at the Vuelta remember that ?

I'm sure your reply will be full of excuses for froome getting a beating from bertie.
The fact you mention the Mt Ventoux attack when the data proved that attack was not that special shows how little you know. 2014 BABY

They didn't finish The 2014 Tour de France. Vuelta was just a training ride for the 2015 Tour where Aplerto showed his recent TdF class, again. This year poor old Alppuerto will be beaten in TdF by several riders, again. But hey, he already has won enough to make him almost as great champion as his former team mate LA is. Chapeau to both of them!

 

[blackmamba]

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I've no clue how fast he could have gone on the ventoux, still disappointed in him that he didn't just ride there FTW.

Your a hard one to please

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Alperto needs to be at 2009 level to beat Froome in Tour de France.

2014 level is good enough , he kicked froomes as% and destroyed and toyed with him at the Vuelta remember that ?

I'm sure your reply will be full of excuses for froome getting a beating from bertie.
The fact you mention the Mt Ventoux attack when the data proved that attack was not that special shows how little you know. 2014 BABY

They didn't finish The 2014 Tour de France. Vuelta was just a training ride for the 2015 Tour where Aplerto showed his recent TdF class, again. This year poor old Alppuerto will be beaten in TdF by several riders, again. But hey, he already has won enough to make him almost as great champion as his former team mate LA is. Chapeau to both of them!

Omg

 

[BlurryVII]

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They didn't finish The 2014 Tour de France. Vuelta was just a training ride for the 2015 Tour where Aplerto showed his recent TdF class, again. This year poor old Alppuerto will be beaten in TdF by several riders, again. But hey, he already has won enough to make him almost as great champion as his former team mate LA is. Chapeau to both of them!

 

[LaFlorecita]

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perfect

 

[Jakub]

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They didn't finish The 2014 Tour de France. Vuelta was just a training ride for the 2015 Tour where Aplerto showed his recent TdF class, again. This year poor old Alppuerto will be beaten in TdF by several riders, again. But hey, he already has won enough to make him almost as great champion as his former team mate LA is. Chapeau to both of them!

lol

 

[Red Rick]

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So Alberto was over a minute slower than in 2009 in a climb lasting under 15 min. Froome will destroy him (again) in Ventoux.

Hw would go much quicker if he didn't have Henao with him. Not 2009 like, but 20-30 seconds quicker would be possible. You have to take into consideration that today was wet and that they had a killer stage even before the final climb.

Spot on but the thing is... he cannot understand that. Way too complex for him to process.

He's got that dead end logic, ya know, AC couldn't beat thomas in PN, so he'd never beat Froome and Poels in Catalunya lmao. Y'know what I'm s4y1ng.

Context. Stage was harder, weather was harder, etc. He finished solo with just 8s on a quite a group

In 2014 Nibali climbed PdBF slower than in 2012. Think about that

 

[Gigs_98]

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So Alberto was over a minute slower than in 2009 in a climb lasting under 15 min. Froome will destroy him (again) in Ventoux.

Hw would go much quicker if he didn't have Henao with him. Not 2009 like, but 20-30 seconds quicker would be possible. You have to take into consideration that today was wet and that they had a killer stage even before the final climb.

Spot on but the thing is... he cannot understand that. Way too complex for him to process.

He's got that dead end logic, ya know, AC couldn't beat thomas in PN, so he'd never beat Froome and Poels in Catalunya lmao. Y'know what I'm s4y1ng.

Context. Stage was harder, weather was harder, etc. He finished solo with just 8s on a quite a group

In 2014 Nibali climbed PdBF slower than in 2012. Think about that

Dont write about that. It will only be used as an argument why froome and AC would have kicked nibali's ass in that tour

 

[The Hitch]

lol, I haven't been to this thread in like 6 months and it still seems to be the exact same conversation.

Contador does seem to have been significantly slower on the climb this year than 2009. But that doesn't mean he won't be able to reach full *** level in July (though I personally remain skeptical)

As for best Contador - 2009 TDF was the best but 2011 Giro was ridiculous too considering he was saving himself a little for the Tour which with some luck he actually could have won.

 

[Red Rick]

Haha Hitch, this thread probably won't ever change, but then I need some stability in my life.

 

[ILovecycling]

I guess I should join to the party , agree with Red Rick in this, I dont have much time to post and react but I read this almost every day so the stability remains there lol

Im looking forward tomorrow btw, vamoooooos

 

[Irondan]

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Haha Hitch, this thread probably won't ever change, but then I need some stability in my life.

But what will we talk about when Alberto retires??

 

[blackmamba]

Theres nothing more to do, its the end! If the choice is betwen continue watching Froome and Quintana or jumping off a clip the choice becomes very easy for my part.

 

[Red Rick]

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Haha Hitch, this thread probably won't ever change, but then I need some stability in my life.

But what will we talk about when Alberto retires??

a) There's always imaginary scenario's or comparisons from different years about who was better.

b) Stalking post retirement, though others may be more up to it than me

c) Hype/obsess over someone else. Flo has to be a fan ofcourse

d) More random discussion in thread, it's not like this is typically on topic. This is a cycling forum, and Contador is a cyclist, so indirectly it all relates to Contador

 

[Red Rick]

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Haha Hitch, this thread probably won't ever change, but then I need some stability in my life.

But what will we talk about when Alberto retires??

Oh, and don't make me think about that, I can barely remember this place before this thing was created. IIRC, race thread were bigger, preview posts were epic, rider discussion threads didn't exist and everyone hated Leipheimer

 

[GuyIncognito]

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and everyone hated Leipheimer

No change there, then

 

[TomLPC]

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and everyone hated Leipheimer

No change there, then

Thats Tour de Suisse champion Leipheimer to you.