Porte is quite explosive in my opinion. Robobasso wasn't and he still was able to demolish everyone in giro 2006 (i get your point). In the high mountains, valverde doesn't have spark in the legs at all. He isn't a pure climber, he can follow wheels and limit his losses very well. It is like say that sagan has a better kick than froome but he doens't the power and climbing ability to show that... I'm talking kick in the high mountains after hard stages
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I think that's true. He takes bigger risks. Sometimes it works like in the 2012 Vuelta and sometimes it doesn't. It's impossible for him to change now to being someone who conserves their losses and only targets certain stages. The cadence and acceleration is not what it used to be and maybe also now he can't do in a three week race what he can do in a one week race. Sometimes it's hard to say like in last year's Vuelta when he went into the race under an injury cloud. The 2015 Giro was probably the last time he looked strong over three weeks even though Landa was out climbing him on some stages.
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I think that's true. He takes bigger risks. Sometimes it works like in the 2012 Vuelta and sometimes it doesn't. It's impossible for him to change now to being someone who conserves their losses and only targets certain stages. The cadence and acceleration is not what it used to be and maybe also now he can't do in a three week race what he can do in a one week race. Sometimes it's hard to say like in last year's Vuelta when he went into the race under an injury cloud. The 2015 Giro was probably the last time he looked strong over three weeks even though Landa was out climbing him on some stages.
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F***, F***, F***. 2 seconds 
But what a show! I'm glad he still has the panache, bravery and stamina to go from 52km+ out to try to take it all. This is why he'll always be remembered in the annuals of the sport as a great champion while the winner of one PN will be soon forgotten.
EDIT: Removed winners name.
But what a show! I'm glad he still has the panache, bravery and stamina to go from 52km+ out to try to take it all. This is why he'll always be remembered in the annuals of the sport as a great champion while the winner of one PN will be soon forgotten.EDIT: Removed winners name.
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What a performance today.Contador kept improving as the race progressed, may be the cold he picked up cost him this race
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Great ride by him. If he didn't start from the back like he has been in the last years, he would have won this one. I don't get the two breakaway didn't even want to help. It's not like Martin can topple Henao. Another single seconds lost. That's hurt. Again. Hope Catalunya he won't lost too much time at the beginning, so he doesn't have to keep chasing like crazy. He showed a good form so far. But like last year, sky got the better of him. Again.
Supported Cadel Evans and now I got Contador coming second by tiny margins. Still monster effort, so proud of him
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Another great ride.
If people had learnt not to look at results alone, they'd never have suggested he should have retired.
Once gain, he loses a race due to back luck. It'll happen again for the reminder of the season, but you'll still have people saying he should quit because they can't takethe good things out of moments like this.
If people had learnt not to look at results alone, they'd never have suggested he should have retired.
Once gain, he loses a race due to back luck. It'll happen again for the reminder of the season, but you'll still have people saying he should quit because they can't takethe good things out of moments like this.
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Yeah. Tactical mistake by Trek not to send anyone. It would likely have changed the outcome in the end. But I'm just not sure anyone (except for Pantano) could really have made it to the break today. The rest of the team has not been looking too good in the mouintains.Scarponi said:
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Don't forget that Froome is backed by very strong team. Without strong sky team mate, contador will have more chances again Froome. Last year Vuelta, when all the sky dom out of the picture, it's hard for Froome to do it himself. Unfortunately with degenkolb needed man for his sprint, Contador will again got less helper. But Pantano shows a good promised to be his final lieutenant. I agree that, Contador can win the tour if all the stars are lining up. Quintana will be tired for Giro. But other climber like Porte is in the raise, and he has shown he can climb with Froome. Contador can't start from the back foot with all silly time loss. In his heydays, he rarely lost too much time on silly thing. (like echelon, crashes etc.) If he can stay upright, that's a great start for him.
LaFlorecita said:It's been obvious to me for a while that Berto needs things to go his way to win the Tour. Quintana racing the Giro prior to the Tour is a start. Berto needs to be lucky with Froome slightly off his best form or crashing (not saying I want him to crash). Berto has to avoid crashing and stupid time loss and stay as close to Froome as possible, waiting for a moment of weakness. If he can somehow work over Froome anything is possible. I wouldn't immediately rate Berto below Porte, Bardet, Chaves and a tired Quintana. He could definitely beat all of them if he encounters no issues.
As has been said above he needs to measure his efforts more. Of course we'd all like him to stick to Froome and Porte's wheel on the first MTF but it's not realistic. He can't afford to lose minutes on the first MTF again. Pacing himself he can limit his losses but I'm not sure he'll be able to change his attitude, he's a true racer. So I guess we'll see one or two spectacular implosions from him in July
What I'm trying to say is, he isn't without chance. Only Froome is without a doubt stronger than him, so he needs to race smartly, bide his time and hope for the best.
Don't forget that Froome is backed by very strong team. Without strong sky team mate, contador will have more chances again Froome. Last year Vuelta, when all the sky dom out of the picture, it's hard for Froome to do it himself. Unfortunately with degenkolb needed man for his sprint, Contador will again got less helper. But Pantano shows a good promised to be his final lieutenant. I agree that, Contador can win the tour if all the stars are lining up. Quintana will be tired for Giro. But other climber like Porte is in the raise, and he has shown he can climb with Froome. Contador can't start from the back foot with all silly time loss. In his heydays, he rarely lost too much time on silly thing. (like echelon, crashes etc.) If he can stay upright, that's a great start for him.
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