"another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

[sniper]

Nope. You are forgetting about the bolded section below.

the point remains: both LA and McQuaid acted AS IF Landis had related the positive to the TdS of 2002 (regardless of whether they really misread or not). That is why both LA and Pat spoke about "the time line" in Floyd's emails being incorrect.

EDIT: ok, I see now. thanks!

 

[Square-pedaller]

... I tried to send MacQuaid a similar e-mail (just not as well-phrased as yours). USADA has his address as Pat.MacQuaid@uci.ch, but my mail couldn't be delivered to that address. I just send it to admin@uci instead.

The email that you tried probably didn't work because his name is McQuaid, not MacQuaid.

 

[buckle]

Pat and Thom Weisel wouldn't wipe their @sses with it much less do anything about it. This doesn't stop at Pat's office. That's clear.

Target the IOC. That's the right place to apply some pressure.

I wish I shared your confidence in the IOC. What has brought Lance down is the permanent cycle of media driven Political Correctness which sweeps through the USA. LA's confrontation in the restaurant ("how much did they pay you for that interview?") is perhaps as close to the truth as anyone will get in this affair. What I am suggesting is that that USADA is not motivated by a desire to clean up sport in general nor cycling in particular. It is simply a tool of America's PC industry and it's Lance's turn in the cycle. Amusing to reflect that Lance is victim of a "cycle" but that's as entertaining as it's going to get.

 

[the big ring]

What I am suggesting is that that USADA is not motivated by a desire to clean up sport in general nor cycling in particular. It is simply a tool of America's PC industry and it's Lance's turn in the cycle. Amusing to reflect that Lance is victim of a "cycle" but that's as entertaining as it's going to get.

So all those athletes they pinged over the last X years were all a ploy to get to Lance?

Uh huh.

 

[buckle]

So all those athletes they pinged over the last X years were all a ploy to get to Lance?

Uh huh.

Not at all. It's just that many of the top ones were black ...

 

[Benotti69]

I wish I shared your confidence in the IOC. What has brought Lance down is the permanent cycle of media driven Political Correctness which sweeps through the USA. LA's confrontation in the restaurant ("how much did they pay you for that interview?") is perhaps as close to the truth as anyone will get in this affair. What I am suggesting is that that USADA is not motivated by a desire to clean up sport in general nor cycling in particular. It is simply a tool of America's PC industry and it's Lance's turn in the cycle. Amusing to reflect that Lance is victim of a "cycle" but that's as entertaining as it's going to get.

Wow, you must be eating lots of yellow bracelets!

 

[2008885]

What I am suggesting is that that USADA is not motivated by a desire to clean up sport in general nor cycling in particular. It is simply a tool of America's PC industry and it's Lance's turn in the cycle. Amusing to reflect that Lance is victim of a "cycle" but that's as entertaining as it's going to get.

I'm struggling with the connection between political correctness and USADA....

 

[webbie146]

Here in bold, he says it, doesn't he? At least, that's what anyone, including Pat of course, would read.
And which is of course what both LA and UCI imediately pointed out:


So if Landis claimed something had happened, and McQuaid thought that claim related to 2002, then how did McQuaid end up stating a FOUR YEAR gap?

Because everyone knows it happened at the tour de Suisse. He rode the tour de Suisse in 2001.. In 2002/2003 he won the Dauphine Libere.

 

[sniper]

Because everyone knows it happened at the tour de Suisse. He rode the tour de Suisse in 2001.. In 2002/2003 he won the Dauphine Libere.

thanks! I see now.

 

[buckle]

I'm struggling with the connection between political correctness and USADA....

Most of the top athletes pinged have been black. USADA are going after a big white fish to even things up. Who better to pull than a cowboy from the lone star state? This orchestrated attack against Armstrong has been stage managed by TV interviews from TV companies predominantly owned by an ethnic minority traditionally hostile to their white majority hosts for which Armstrong is a poster buy.

Don't misunderstand me. I want Armstrong imprisoned for fraud but I am also aware that race is a massive driver in American politics. Let's put it this way, Armstrong stands a better chance of going to jail than the corrupt bankers who are wrecking the American economy - go figure.

 

[Benotti69]

Most of the top athletes pinged have been black. USADA are going after a big white fish to even things up.

Oh dear. So the fact that Armstrong is white is the only reason USADA are targeting him?

Fail.

 

[2008885]

Most of the top athletes pinged have been black. USADA are going after a big white fish to even things up. Who better to pull than a cowboy from the lone star state? This orchestrated attack against Armstrong has been stage managed by TV interviews from TV companies predominantly owned by an ethnic minority traditionally hostile to their white majority hosts for which Armstrong is a poster buy.

So you're saying that USADA are going after LA because they're worried about being accused of racism, due to the fact that most of their busts have involved black people??

 

[buckle]

Oh dear. So the fact that Armstrong is white is the only reason USADA are targeting him?

Fail.

Ah come on - I didn't say that!

I simply said that in order to appease the all powerful and lucrative American PC industry, it is in USADA's interests to ping a whitey from time to time. Armstrong is the whitey in this case.

Yet, in reality, many of your sports are dominated by black kids from the projects juiced up by white medics. These kids are not that much different from the nags in the Kentucky Derby even if they are well renumerated.

Pinging Armstrong will make you feel better about yourselves i.e. there isn't a racial dimension to the corruption as in Armstong was juiced up by white medics too. For Americans, "feeling good" is evidently all that matters and not cleaning up a sports industry which is corrupt from top to bottom.

 

[Benotti69]

Ah come on - I didn't say that!

I simply said that in order to appease the all powerful and lucrative American PC industry, it is in USADA's interests to ping a whitey from time to time. Armstrong is the whitey in this case.

Yet, in reality, many of your sports are dominated by black kids from the projects juiced up by white medics. These kids are not that much different from the nags in the Kentucky Derby even if they are well renumerated.

Pinging Armstrong will make you feel better about yourselves. For Americans, "feeling good" is evidently all that matters and not cleaning up a sports industry which is corrupt from top to bottom.

Worse than your last post! Jeez.

Not much happening in LieStrong HQ today?

 

[2008885]

I've read some paranoid stuff in here, but Mr Buckle is something else.

 

[veganrob]

Would hate to live in the world of buckle

 

[Kennf1]

I'm struggling with the connection between political correctness and USADA....

That's because there isn't one. Perhaps he meant Personal Computer?

 

[frenchfry]

The purchase of a Sysmex machine means nothing. It could simply be a purchase at about the time of Armstrong's bribe that is conveniently used to justify the transaction. In any case, there is a good chance that the $100K is only the known portion of the transaction.

 

[sniper]

The purchase of a Sysmex machine means nothing. It could simply be a purchase at about the time of Armstrong's bribe that is conveniently used to justify the transaction. In any case, there is a good chance that the $100K is only the known portion of the transaction.

I assume it's possible that the 100.000 'donation' in 2005 was actually Vrijman's paycheck, and that tangible traces of the 'donation' relating to the TdS 2001 are yet to surface.
If there was a bribe in 2001/2002, I assume the transfer would have been made immediately. Why would LA/Bruyneel have risked anything by postponing the payment?

 

[Benotti69]

a quite illuminating timeline of the hypocrisy and corruption of the UCI

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/08/the-myth-of-the-uci-it-is-time-for-a-change/

 

[D-Queued]

a quite illuminating timeline of the hypocrisy and corruption of the UCI

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/08/the-myth-of-the-uci-it-is-time-for-a-change/

Yes, that is an excellent timeline.

It needs a slight update to add the ITF's decision on Del Moral.

With the decision of the International Tennis Federation to accept the lifetime ban of Del Moral, notably implicated in the Lance Armstrong and sport of cycling conspiracy, cycling has reaffirmed its position as the laughing stock of sport.

ITF Press Release
Decision in the case of Dr Luis Garcia del Moral

Pat McQuaid and the UCI should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Tennis, and likely all of the other sports that are recognized by the IOC are laughing at you.

This move by the ITF underscores that cycling has the biggest dope problem in sport.

That dope is Pat McQuaid. The biggest dope in sport.

Perhaps the only good news is that the sport of cycling can arguably drop no lower than it has already.

A ban from the Olympics would be a positive step.

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

Yes, that is an excellent timeline.

It needs a slight update to add the ITF's decision on Del Moral.

With the decision of the International Tennis Federation to accept the lifetime ban of Del Moral, notably implicated in the Lance Armstrong and sport of cycling conspiracy, cycling has reaffirmed its position as the laughing stock of sport.

ITF Press Release
Decision in the case of Dr Luis Garcia del Moral

Pat McQuaid and the UCI should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Tennis, and likely all of the other sports that are recognized by the IOC are laughing at you.

This move by the ITF underscores that cycling has the biggest dope problem in sport.

That dope is Pat McQuaid. The biggest dope in sport.

Perhaps the only good news is that the sport of cycling can arguably drop no lower than it has already.

A ban from the Olympics would be a positive step.

Dave.

I agree.

I would also welcome a ban from the Olympics.

2 reasons, 1, it might help the sport get its house in order once and for all.

2nd reason, I hate the IOC and its charade as much as I hate the current UCI president.

To not be part of the one of the most ludricous corrupt events would make me happier to watch cycling.

 

[Oldman]

I agree.

I would also welcome a ban from the Olympics.

2 reasons, 1, it might help the sport get its house in order once and for all.

2nd reason, I hate the IOC and its charade as much as I hate the current UCI president.

To not be part of the one of the most ludricous corrupt events would make me happier to watch cycling.

WADA seems to share your contempt for the IOC. Again, I can't help but thinking the information sitting with various Euro and Interpol law agencies might start spilling out. Enough countries have individually litigated against corrupt IOC officials that the collective repulsion might have reached a critical mass. I'm dreaming, of course but watching the Olympic sprints where almost all competitors were either from the US or Caribbean islands 100 miles away was difficult to explain.

 

[Thasp Blog]

Additional comment from the ITF today:

"In accordance with Article 15.4 of the World Anti-Doping Code, and further to their longstanding commitment to protect the integrity of the sport of tennis and the health of all of the participants in the sport, the stakeholders to the Tennis Anti-Doping Programme recognise and respect USADA's decision, and will take all steps available to them to enforce and give effect to that decision in the sport of tennis, including (without limitation) not permitting Dr Garcia del Moral to participate in any capacity in, and denying him accreditation for or access to, any sanctioned tennis event or activity."

"Players are asked to take careful note of the above when considering who to seek treatment, guidance and advice from in the future."

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/news/pressrelease.asp?articleid=23575

 

[Mishrak]

a quite illuminating timeline of the hypocrisy and corruption of the UCI

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/08/the-myth-of-the-uci-it-is-time-for-a-change/

Thanks for posting that. Someone's going to have to pay the piper in order for cycling to get cleaned up, and so long as these cronies are overseeing the sport, it just won't happen.

The air of silence among the riders is staggering to me. Almost a bit depressing. I realize that it's the end of their careers if they start trying to talk, but at some point, someone needs to do something from within the sport or this is never going to end. I love this sport so much but it makes me sad that it's literally been nothing but decades of lies, deceit and corruption. I'm trying to think of a spot to point to that might be a high water mark or a good achievement, but honestly I don't see one anymore.

Here's to hoping USADA is enough to start the purification.