"another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

[the big ring]

Thanks for posting that. Someone's going to have to pay the piper in order for cycling to get cleaned up, and so long as these cronies are overseeing the sport, it just won't happen.

The air of silence among the riders is staggering to me. Almost a bit depressing. I realize that it's the end of their careers if they start trying to talk, but at some point, someone needs to do something from within the sport or this is never going to end. I love this sport so much but it makes me sad that it's literally been nothing but decades of lies, deceit and corruption. I'm trying to think of a spot to point to that might be a high water mark or a good achievement, but honestly I don't see one anymore.

Here's to hoping USADA is enough to start the purification.

Bassons sets the precedent for what happens when you talk. Do you know his story?

 

[will10]

a quite illuminating timeline of the hypocrisy and corruption of the UCI

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/08/the-myth-of-the-uci-it-is-time-for-a-change/

Much appreciated, very illuminating.

 

[Mishrak]

Bassons sets the precedent for what happens when you talk. Do you know his story?

I just looked it up now that you mentioned it because I couldn't remember it, but now I do remember it. I also remember similar treatment of Simeoni. That's what I mean though. Until this reaction to doping changes within the peleton, this lackadaisical acceptance of what's wrong and shunning of whoever wants to do what's right, the sport will just continue on as it goes.

Either that or until a scandal rocks it so hard that there's literally almost nothing left of the current infrastructure such that it has to be rebuilt from the ground up. New riders, new teams, new staff, new governing body - everything. I just hope it doesn't take another 10 years, but if it does - it'd be worth it if we could really get a clean sport.

 

[the big ring]

I just looked it up now that you mentioned it because I couldn't remember it, but now I do remember it. I also remember similar treatment of Simeoni. That's what I mean though. Until this reaction to doping changes within the peleton, this lackadaisical acceptance of what's wrong and shunning of whoever wants to do what's right, the sport will just continue on as it goes.

Either that or until a scandal rocks it so hard that there's literally almost nothing left of the current infrastructure such that it has to be rebuilt from the ground up. New riders, new teams, new staff, new governing body - everything. I just hope it doesn't take another 10 years, but if it does - it'd be worth it if we could really get a clean sport.

Both those are options, however they are quite potentially damaging / destructive. The more I consider the suggestion, the more constructive and helpful I find the whole "truth and reconciliation" thing Tygart is suggesting.

 

[Mishrak]

I hope they can actually accomplish something like that.

If the sport won't do it themselves, it will take a third party that babysit these people so they'll get it right.

 

[the big ring]

I know this has been mentioned before, but I find it repugnant the way Pat knew Sky were going to win the Tour on the 11th of July.

Match fixing, anyone?

 

[Deagol]

I hope they can actually accomplish something like that.

If the sport won't do it themselves, it will take a third party that babysit these people so they'll get it right.

Seems it's these people who are the problem. That and the dual, conflicting structure of the organization. Perhaps once a human has too much a taste of money and power, they are forever tainted? Time to start over again...

 

[the big ring]

Fun!

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/08/cycling-politics-for-beginners/

 

[Mishrak]

Seems it's these people who are the problem. That and the dual, conflicting structure of the organization. Perhaps once a human has too much a taste of money and power, they are forever tainted? Time to start over again...

That's pretty much my concern. If, rather than seek the right path, the ENTIRE FREAKING PELETON will ostracize someone trying to point out the truth, it just means they all condone doping on a level that's beyond disturbing. It also means that if they're left to police themselves, nothing will change without more scandal and asterisks.


My grammar was terrible in that post btw.

Also, why doesn't cyclismas have an rss feed! Darnit.
Edit: Found it.

 

[Deagol]

I know this has been mentioned before, but I find it repugnant the way Pat knew Sky were going to win the Tour on the 11th of July.

Match fixing, anyone?

nice catch !!!

 

[will10]

lol, that transcript is class

 

[Benotti69]

I know this has been mentioned before, but I find it repugnant the way Pat knew Sky were going to win the Tour on the 11th of July.

Match fixing, anyone?

I bet he knew they weren't going to fail any testing

 

[BotanyBay]

From the recent CN article about today's developments:

Where all three parties do agree however, is that the CAS should arbitrate the case.

"Accordingly, USADA proposes that it is willing to agree to a single, final and binding CAS hearing with Mr. Armstrong under U.S. law and the USADA Protocol and held in the U.S. but with international CAS arbitrators in which the issues would be whether Mr. Armstrong committed anti-doping rule violations and, if so, the appropriate sanctions. If the parties are truly interested in an efficient, fair and just result based on the evidence, as USADA is, then this proposal would immediately place the case in the hands of neutral CAS arbitrators who could quickly decide it."

Now I'm dismayed. USADA agreeing to hand the case over to the CAS also seems a bit arbitrary. Sorry, this is an American case. I want this adjudicated here. get back to earth Travis.

 

[MacRoadie]

From the recent CN article about today's developments:



Now I'm dismayed. USADA agreeing to hand the case over to the CAS also seems a bit arbitrary. Sorry, this is an American case. I want this adjudicated here. get back to earth Travis.

That's not quite accurate:

USADA recognizes, however, that both the UCI and Mr. Armstrong have already confirmed thatthey have faith in, and have agreed to, CAS arbitration. Accordingly, USADA proposes that it is willing to agree to a single, final and binding CAS hearing with Mr. Armstrong under U.S. law and the USADA Protocol and held in the U.S. but with international CAS arbitrators in which the issues would be whether Mr. Armstrong committed anti-doping rule violations and, if so, the appropriate sanctions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102387437/USADA-Reply-for-Dismissal

 

[the big ring]

So who owns CAS?

Coz the Contador affair (really Al? There's no good steak in France? Land of the gormand? wtf bro!? So your mate travelled 200km with some steak in the car on a hot summer's day just so you could get some "nice" steak!? ) ended up looking (imo) ridiculous.

We'll get something like

Armstrong's surgeon accidentally dropped an EPO dispenser into his body during the tumor removal operation which subsequently did slow-release EPO for the following 11 years. He didn't dope deliberately, it was an accidental occurence so he gets a 12 year suspension backdated to 1999.

 

[Robert21]

Hi,

Have you a link for the full transcript?

Thanks!

I know this has been mentioned before, but I find it repugnant the way Pat knew Sky were going to win the Tour on the 11th of July.

Match fixing, anyone?

 

[pugdog]

Yet again Pat McQuaid manages to be thoroughly depressing.

 

[the big ring]

Hi,

Have you a link for the full transcript?

Thanks!

I appropriated it from USADA's response, here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/102387437/USADA-Reply-for-Dismissal (scroll to the very end).

But it's a transcript from a video interview - the link is also in the response: http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/MG_sportnieuws/MG_wielrennen/1.1363787 - skip to 2:50 if you wish to hear the question and "Sky are the winners" response.

 

[BotanyBay]

That's not quite accurate:



http://www.scribd.com/doc/102387437/USADA-Reply-for-Dismissal

OK, thanks, I stand corrected. They can hand the hearing over to CAS, to be heard in the USA with CAS international arbitrators... but I have great distrust of the whole "Swiss thing" (IE, the IOC and federations such as FIFA and UCI being based there) ever since I learned about the reasons WHY these organizations based themselves there in the first place (you know, the immunity from most investigations, prosecutions, etc). That and all of the crap that has happened with the Swiss deliberately (not neutrally) helping to hide the money of multitudes of corporate thieves.

I'd rather see the process play-out as it is supposed to play. Then let the various parties do their various appeals. And now we see that UCI itself has the right to appeal whatever decision USADA renders.

Looks like Lance made a smart and strategic move by acquiring Pat and Hein so many years ago.

 

[AcademyCC]

Daniel Benson just posted a number of unpublished quotes from McQuaid from late last year on his twitter account (@dnlbenson)

McQuaid dec 2011 - "You cant put a price on protecting the ethics of the sport"

McQuaid on Landis - "I dont believe the half of it, about the bus breaking down and guys having a blood transfusion"

McQuaid on Landis and Hamilton - "I doubt there would be any fallout. Cycling has moved on. Everyday that this all goes on the less fallout"

McQuaid - "Im already on twitter in mock up form. Ive looked at it once or twice but I find it really hard to follow"

McQuaid on Hein - "When I leave the sport the legacy I leave will be a hell of alot less than his"

McQuaid (Dec 2012) on if Vaughters could run the UCI -"Vaughters isn't a politician and he doesnt know the political world of cycling"

And my personal fav:

McQuaid on Bruyneel -"I respect him as a manager and coach, his record speaks for itself"

 

[AcademyCC]

Interesting on how to fix UCI

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/08/how-do-we-fix-the-uci/

 

[the big ring]

Interesting on how to fix UCI

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/08/how-do-we-fix-the-uci/

The Obrees of the world should be celebrated and debate should ensue on how to include innovators such as him, or the Gary Fishers, or the Mike Sinyards, or the Stan Days, or the Tullio Campagnolos, or the Henri Desgranges, the Koechlis, or even, dare I say, the Conconis of the world. Truly, it is the unique, the different, the brilliant who push the limits of sport to take us higher, faster, and stronger.

He had me till Conconi. wtf?

 

[AcademyCC]

He had me till Conconi. wtf?

What? your quote isn't from that article

 

[D-Queued]

He had me till Conconi. wtf?

The Conconi test/concept was a valuable contribution to sport.

Unfortunately, Conconi was too smart and tried to figure out how to add improvement that could now be easily measured.

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

He had me till Conconi. wtf?

Talk about a scandal.... This one is epic. Conconi takes money from the IOC to fund research for an EPO test then uses the money to dope Italian Pros with EPO. Who worked with Conconi? Ferrari....

Somewhere during/prior he publishes the Conconi fitness test protocol that's legitimately good science. But, the EPO stuff is reprehensible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Conconi#Introduction_of_EPO_to_Cycling

More details here definitely worth reading: http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/2/16...on-the-causes-of-doping-francesco-conconi-and Gets into Verdruggen's role pretty well.