Tyler'sTwin said:
This just in, Dr. Ferrari says he only gives Armstrong advice about interval training
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This just in, Dr. Ferrari says he only gives Armstrong advice about interval training
ChrisE said:
They don't spend their time running from animals.
Running is how they get around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QApyq4bops
Tyler'sTwin said:
It's always the fringe athletes who have to resort to doping as they don't train as hard and aren't as naturally gifted
petethedrummer said:They don't spend their time running from animals.
You know, before the advent of the Discovery Channel I might have given you the benefit of the doubt because I do not have firsthand experience with evasive animal maneuvers in Kenya.
But, I have seen on TV that this is for real. I am glad LA was able to sponsor Discovery Channel in 2005 to help them increase their income so we can learn about training habits in other countries.
Cloxxki said:
other than petter northug jr, none of them have been consistent (as in reaching the podium a few times a season) for many years
Cloxxki said:
well it could've helped, but it isn't. Is 9-12am on a saturday or sunday really prime time for telly wherever you live
Cloxxki said:
but they aren't. football is the biggest sport in norway and other than (again) petter northug no XC skiers can be considered big stars
also, there's one thing that might explain how an undoped skier can compete with dopers - the equipment. I know norway spend huge to have the best skis - this is not far from being economical doping as it gives their skiers huge advantages over those from countries who won't spend
££££££££'s to help their athletes in this sport.
workingclasshero said:
XC skiing is easily one of the most popular sports in norway (probably the most popular after soccer/football) and the ratings are great. The other skiers not being stars may have something to do with the fact that they are mediocre.
workingclasshero said:ho ho ho that added a lot to the post you quoted
Well, you seem to be arguing that XC skiing isn't a particularly popular sport in Norway. It is in fact quite popular and the outstanding skiers are among the most popular athletes in all scandinavian countries, except for Denmark of course. If your point was merely that mediocre skiers aren't big stars then that is a given and I don't know why you'd waste your time stating something so obvious.
going back to east african runners on epo. i have trained with a couple of them and their trainning regimens are quite different from their american counterparts. for example they target plyometric drills as much as sprinters do. their gait looks different because they work on it too. look at they guys climbing on their bikes some of them had had more time on their bikes that becomes evident by their cadence and smooth pedaling. as somebody mention kenians run to get around. epo is still popular in the running world but it is less prevalent as a marathon is a 1 day event and pain tolerance is more important than vo2max.
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Probably not. They do have guns in Africa. In fact, they have a lot of 'em.
Maybe they used to back in Olden Times. But even then, I think it's more likely they ran (less deadly) animals to death as a method of hunting, rather than spending their days dodging cheetahs.
Hmm. Maybe we should ask that Renato Canova guy?
Maybe they used to back in Olden Times. But even then, I think it's more likely they ran (less deadly) animals to death as a method of hunting, rather than spending their days dodging cheetahs.
Hmm. Maybe we should ask that Renato Canova guy?
well one thing that can be a contributing factor is that running is their only way out of poverty. look at african american athletes most of them come from the lower-middle class. and no most of the time they are not running from animals but to get to places. when i came to the u.s. 10 years ago i was smoking everybody on the mile except the best two runners on the t&f team. i had not practice running and only play soccer when younger. i would like to think that it was my parents that were from the high sierras in oaxaca and me living in mexico city. also the education that my parents gave me. i was never too disciplined but i was never a whining kid. i live in oaxaca for two years before i came to the u.s. and i remember we use to get early in the morning and walk 3 miles down to get water from the river and take a bath and come back up carrying 10- 15 gallons of water. kenninans have a similar approach to daily activities.
goggalor said:
So, this may be Darwin at work. Let me explain.
If the earlier generations of Kenyans used to run from lions, cheetahs, etc. then only the fast would survive.
If the earlier generations had to chase down their food, then only the fast would survive.
It is possible to conclude that the present day Kenyans are the ancestors of the best cheetah outrunning/gazelle catching dudes in earlier times. The slower ones either got eaten or starved.
So, even though this trait is not necessary in present day Kenya due to the influx of guns, the genes are there.
Is this feasible?
ChrisE said:Is this feasible?
NOOOOO. Read this article: http://www.kenyarunners.com/pages/167371/page167371.html?refresh=1112199340095
Unfortunately there is no mention of cheetahs.
Now maybe you could write up your Lion Evading theory and have it published and see will anyone in the scientific community get behind you.
petethedrummer said:
Hey, I'm just tossing this out there for discussion. Just because some link you cite doesn't mention cheetahs does not dismiss the possibility. Sheesh.
Kenyans' oxygen uptake has been studied and they don't differ from the rest of the world, so it's not the altitude. The biomechanics of their running style may be an important factor. Here is a limited study done a few years ago:
http://www.jssm.org/vol7/n4/12/v7n4-12pdf.pdf
It references other studies on different factors so you can check those out too.
If you go to the IAAF site and look at the fastest times in history for distance events you'll see they are dominated by performances turned in after 1992, especially for the men. Take a look at the 5000 list:
http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=0/sex=M/all=y/legal=A/disc=5000/detail.html
Almost all the times were run in the EPO era. 57 men have run better than Said Aouita's world record from 1987. So yes, Kenyan runners are doped. Do runners from countries like Kenya or Jamaica have an advantage because they get tested less? I'm sure Jamaica does but I'm not sure about Kenya because I don't know enough about their testing program. A runner like Pamela Jelimo is as suspicious as Usain Bolt to me but we all know those type performances can come from many different countries.
http://www.jssm.org/vol7/n4/12/v7n4-12pdf.pdf
It references other studies on different factors so you can check those out too.
If you go to the IAAF site and look at the fastest times in history for distance events you'll see they are dominated by performances turned in after 1992, especially for the men. Take a look at the 5000 list:
http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=0/sex=M/all=y/legal=A/disc=5000/detail.html
Almost all the times were run in the EPO era. 57 men have run better than Said Aouita's world record from 1987. So yes, Kenyan runners are doped. Do runners from countries like Kenya or Jamaica have an advantage because they get tested less? I'm sure Jamaica does but I'm not sure about Kenya because I don't know enough about their testing program. A runner like Pamela Jelimo is as suspicious as Usain Bolt to me but we all know those type performances can come from many different countries.
robertocarlos said:
A friend of mine is a runner and was in Kenya a couple of years ago on a medical relief mission. He ran a local race and was beaten by nearly everyone. Many of the people who beat him did not have shoes. He befriended the winner of the race and paid to bring him to the U.S. for a month. During that time the Kenyan ran three small local races. The money he won was enough to build his mother a house and buy himself a small plot of land.
petethedrummer said:
They were everywhere, bro. It was a good thing he is a decent marathoner or he surely would have been eaten.
BroDeal said:
Cool, ok now we are getting somewhere. It seems my theory may have traction in here.
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