Astana rider details Contador's doping practices

[Anonymous]

Barbie dopes? Say it ain't so!

Afraid so...

 

[hrotha]

Now I want to start a thread titled: "Contador really needs to shut the f**k up...Seriously Contador, shut the f**k up!"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-calls-for-end-of-defamatory-news

I've seen this movie before. No one ever actually sues anybody.

 

[scribe]

This just goes to show that when it is your hero, the rules all change. (not YOUR hero obviously, "your" in the general)

I think the fact that the guy had a Barbie Doll worth of plastic in his blood would tend to show that he ate a Barbie Doll that was tainted with Clen...

More like a double **** dildo

 

[Merckx index]

It would be interesting to know what the therapeutic level would be for weight loss. That would allow a rough guess of how long of a window an athlete would want between taking a dose and giving a sample in order to feel safe.

It could be a pretty narrow window. Depending on how much notice of a 'surprise' OOC test a guy like AC might get, he might feel fine about using Clen.

In this previously linked study of the effect of eating contaminated meat on CB levels in urine, they state that subjects obtained their levels (100-850 pg/ml.) by eating an estimated 1.2 ug CB in 300 mg. of tainted meat. They comment that "therapeutic levels" (no further specification) are 10-20 higher than this. So this implies that a therapeutic level of CB would be 12-24 ug, and result in urine levels of roughly 1-15 ng/ml. So if you took a low end dose, you might be below the 2 ng/ml. standard at all times, and even a somewhat higher dose would drop below that in a few days.

http://proceedings.live-record.de/proceedings_2_pdf/2_185.pdf

Still seems like a huge risk for someone who has as much to lose as Bert does.

 

[Derukeman]

It might of been Vino....he's probably ticked that Contador used Astana and then left them high and dry. Also Astana is also going to have to answer to Tour organizers for having another doping positive...they could get banned as a team for repeated offenses. Vino might of done it to get back at AC...you never know.

 

[redtreviso]

meanwhile...someone else's cash register continues to ring...weeeee whooooooo!!

 

[Big Doopie]

I don't see where all this confusion is coming from.

The article says that during the DL, Contador was still heavy and as a result, his performance there suffered.

Nothing in the article suggests he took the clen DURING the race, but plenty to suggest that, after the poor showing, and given the extra kilos he was carrying during the race, that he took the clen after the DL (when he was far less likely to be tested, and when it could be taken in a far more controlled training environment rather than during a stage race).

The DL ended on Sunday, June 13, and the Tour started three weeks later on July 5.

A hard training block the week following the DL, followed by a period to allow the clen to drop below detectable* levels, then a little deposit at the blood bank.

...let everyone remember that during that training block he announced that he had caught a strange june "flu" and would not be competing at the spanish tt championships...

..wouldn't be at all surprised if the insider wasn't someone who had been "friendly" with armstrong and bruyneel and has been offered a little $$. no one leaves armstrong without retribution. no one.

 

[Oldman]

It might of been Vino....he's probably ticked that Contador used Astana and then left them high and dry. Also Astana is also going to have to answer to Tour organizers for having another doping positive...they could get banned as a team for repeated offenses. Vino might of done it to get back at AC...you never know.

+1! Vino learned it from that other Cowboy, the one from Texasstan.
But Contador is no lame duck and is fighting back:

"The legal team of Alberto Contador will take legal actions against defamatory information published so far by various media and websites, due to their absolute lack of veracity," the statement continued. "Additionally, they will proceed in the same way with any defamatory information that will be published in the future."

...there! That should show them and if they don't I'll quit.

 

[Cobblestones]

Afraid so...

Incidentally, how much plasticizer can you get from that?

 

[Oldman]

Incidentally, how much plasticizer can you get from that?

...depends whether Barbie's sucking or blowing.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

...depends whether Barbie's sucking or blowing.

Or swallowing...

Damn, I know I'm getting nailed for that one...

 

[BroDeal]

In this previously linked study of the effect of eating contaminated meat on CB levels in urine, they state that subjects obtained their levels (100-850 pg/ml.) by eating an estimated 1.2 ug CB in 300 mg. of tainted meat. They comment that "therapeutic levels" (no further specification) are 10-20 higher than this. So this implies that a therapeutic level of CB would be 12-24 ug, and result in urine levels of roughly 1-15 ng/ml. So if you took a low end dose, you might be below the 2 ng/ml. standard at all times, and even a somewhat higher dose would drop below that in a few days.

When used for weight loss the typical procedure is to start with a dose of 20 - 60 mcg and increase it by 20 mcg every one to three days until the side effects become intolerable. A cycle would be one to three weeks with two weeks being most common. Most people max out at 120 - 160 mcg. Some go as high as 200 mcg. A rule of thumb is not to go higher than 1 mcg per pound of body weight.

 

[BigBoat]

"Contador calls for end to defamatory comments" SUPER LOL, hahahahahaha

Talk to Floyd and see how that ends.

 

[tubularglue]

would it not be odd if his brother turned out to be the mula

 

[scribe]

You mean drug mule? Who else would?

 

[tubularglue]

mula is mule in spanish

wonder what his brother was carrying when he drove him to the time trial last year ?

 

[scribe]

It also means $ in Spanglish.

Hey. if you can't trust family to handle your bizness, you can't trust no one.

 

[tubularglue]

It also means $ in Spanglish.

Hey. if you can't trust family to handle your bizness, you can't trust no one.

time for bed


"all the peeps know that microdosing is where its at."

 

[warmfuzzies]

none of the kazakhs normally get even close to berto's entourage. many reports that he moved around dined and drove with his buds none of whom were from kaz.

Only vino was sort of close but i doubt he's a stooge.

the story smells.

Between the clen-pos, the plastic-pos, and the insider squealing, there's quite a smell following AC around these days. Odds of his keeping the 2010 TdF title are looking longer and longer. In recent years, holding the TdF title for 1 year is just as hard as winning it in July.

 

[TubularBills]

He lost the Dauphine to Brajkovic, and it made him realize he was in big trouble for the Tour. He hadn't been planning on using clen, or taking blood, but seeing his tour chances evaporate in front of his eyes, he made a last minute decision and went for it, clen to drop the kilos, and a last minute blood bag. As the tour was rapidly approaching, they didn't have time to wait for the clen to completely clear his system. Turns out he had just barely enough fitness to beat Andy, so I think this explanation is at least highly plausible.

Nice.

Breathtaking fiction and color... a real cliff hanger...

I guess we'll just have to see how it washes out...

Though this level of speculation could only be confirmed in an absolute melt down, tell all confessional ala Landis.

Creative and style points though, awesome critical thinking.

 

[Benotti69]

Due process is getting all the information on the table. Each passing day really has made this worse and worse for AC. I can totally see why UCI and contador's camp wants a speedy resolution.

you forgot to mention Bjarne Riis, he has just lost half a team and replaced it with a doper and his sidekicks who ride for him(AC) never mind that next season has not started and he might lose the hard won sponsors that jumped on board for sponsoring Contador.

 

[Galic Ho]

Your conclusion is incorrect. It's been pointed out above, but to reiterate, the original article said he was overweight at the Dauphine, not that he took clen there. He took the clen immediately after (I presume) to drop that weight, then took some blood.

People are wondering why did he do all this mid-season? I offer the following as a possible explanation:

He lost the Dauphine to Brajkovic, and it made him realize he was in big trouble for the Tour. He hadn't been planning on using clen, or taking blood, but seeing his tour chances evaporate in front of his eyes, he made a last minute decision and went for it, clen to drop the kilos, and a last minute blood bag. As the tour was rapidly approaching, they didn't have time to wait for the clen to completely clear his system. Turns out he had just barely enough fitness to beat Andy, so I think this explanation is at least highly plausible.

Do you even watch cycling races? Contador came second in the Dauphine the prior season as well! How well was Andy Schleck's season going at that point in time? Pathetic. But everyone knew he'd be up in the top flight of riders at the Tour. Same with Contador. Race form at the Dauphine for Contador means squat. Where was Brajkovic at the Tour? You're comparing apples and oranges. Brajkovic is nowhere near the level Contador is. Contador uses the Dauphine as a training event. He does not try and win it anymore. The last time he won it, he wasn't the no.1 GT rider on his team. That was 2007, where Leipheimer was the teams no.1 rider. Using his form to suggest doping is almost completely baseless.

Someone else said he needed to drop 2-3 kilos. The article said a pound, two at most. A pound weighs 0.45kg. Get your conversions right people. If you cannot fathom different measurement systems, then don't open your flapper. Do you gooses, realise how easy it is to drop a pound? An extra training session or two and proper nutrition. Easy peasy. Especially for an active, thin but proportionally muscle mass sports star. He's not shedding fat to 3% body mass like a body builder! He is going down to 6%. Not hard to do clean. Stupid to do it with a drug, especially in the window before the TdF but after the Dauphine. FFS! Some people here think an extra half a kilo will matter against a guy like Brajkovic! hahaha. AC's Dauphine performance was mental, nothing more. Stop wasting the forums time. Contador would have to gain about 4 or 5 kilos for Brajkovic to stand a chance against him.

 

[ProfTournesol]

I so wanted to start a thread called "Contador picks up a Chicken endorsement," but there are plenty of Contador threads already...

yeah with friends like Chicken, who needs enemies. Next he'll get an endorsement from LA to match his endorsement from Brunyeel.

 

[Galic Ho]

Contador wants all of the defamatory stories to be silenced...wonder why? For the survival of the sport of cycling they need to bring the hammer down on Alberto and strike him from the records of the Tour. If they leave him off with that bogus excuse cycling will lose whatever shred of decency it may have left with cycling fans and sponsors.

Ever heard of Delgado Mr. editor in chief?

Go back to the loony bin and stay there.

Let's expunge everyone's name from the record books. No, go one further, let's be selective and treat certain people differently. You tar everyone with the same brush or none at all. So sit down and STFU hypocrit. Either get them all or don't waste the publics time. Legalise doping and be honest about it if you don't have the cajones and brains to do it the way I suggest.

There have been how many drug allegations? Damn, the biggest doper of all time returned and people came out in droves. Cycling and sport will always survive. Like your idiocy, they know no bounds.

 

[Galic Ho]

and Andy Schleck was clean

it seems a question of believe...

These guys will never stop. You win a race and you're fair game for them.

TFF is really getting pathetic. No Lance to pick on so he jumps ship. But he is American...enough said. As I said, get them all or don't bother.

Contador overweight and underpowered! A joke gone horribly afoul. Seriously, that is the best people can come up with. If you believe that you are truly an idiot. Take clenbuterol to lose a pound! He didn't do so well at the Dauphine!

Think of it this way. Who watched the ToC? The Ardennes classics? All the big events up to the TdF? How did Andy Schleck go in comparison to Contador? If I were to show a person with no knowledge of cycling this years ToC footage and ask them to point out which rider came second in the TdF, nobody would pick Schleck. Why is that? If someone is banking blood and not having to perform at every race, just for the TdF, he would be candidate no.1. Oh, he's the next in sight for next year!

Good luck guys with the BS and half truths. Contador is just about the best performer year in and year out for 4 years now. Either way, doping aside, he sure has a lot of talent to back it. Lance didn't race at all. Those of us who were here for the good parts/times of the Clinic know why! AC sure is impressive despite all those blood withdrawals. You'd think if they were so demanding, he'd race less frequently and as hard...like perhaps Andy Schleck. You want to know why the Clinic turned into a cesspool of crap and all the good poster left or rarely post. It's because of you. This forum is nowhere near as informative or as logical as it was a year ago. This time last year it started decaying. Too much ****ing and moaning. Always wanting it one way (yours) and not looking at the whole picture. Some people here possess circular logic. You're trapped by your own beliefs. Boring, uncreative and unreasonable people is what you are.