Wout Poels--like a Phoenix from the ashes. Miracles raining down everywhere! TDF will be a hoot!
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That is the whole point, what are they doing?I don't understand this suscpiscion. It's not like Konrad is an extreme climber and to beat him by 1:30 is manageable. Furthermore Padun was always talented and it's not like it's Jonas Gregard coming out of no where. Padun has had extremely strong rides before. Furthermore, Bahrain have been dominated by other teams so to assume that they are doping, would proablaby mean all the other teams are dooping as well. So don't get the Bahrain hate.
Ok how about this. No one knew Mark is so energetic and funny before these interviews because no one from the media, afaik, had ever talked to him, one of the strongest guys from the Italian under 23 races in the last five years. So it's even more like OMG THIS GUY CAME OUT OF NOWEHERE (of course his results show he was strong from Giro del Trentino stage win and on), here's an outsider you can point fingers at and make fun of. Haha stupid peasants, must be cheating if I never read about them in CYCLING BICYCLE NEWS SITE. Theres's an inherent bias that shows in the opinions about Lutsenko and Padun. Maybe not the most important issue, I agree, but I noticed also just because I think it sucks that cycling is getting much less international than it used to be.
It is not that Bahrain was not doping before, or that others are clean.I don't understand this suscpiscion. It's not like Konrad is an extreme climber and to beat him by 1:30 is manageable. Furthermore Padun was always talented and it's not like it's Jonas Gregard coming out of no where. Padun has had extremely strong rides before. Furthermore, Bahrain have been dominated by other teams so to assume that they are doping, would probaby mean all the other teams are dooping as well. So don't get the Bahrain hate.
That is the whole point, what are they doing?
Did you think that JV was clean last year at the Tour? Did you see his faces when Pogacar bested them? the question is what are they doing that they can start having these outstanding performances despite the other teams doping!
I don't agree. I am having doubts about Caruso as well. His performance was above his level if you asked me. And some people have come here to defend Haig and his normal progression, Ok but he is know looking like top-top. I'll give him a pass just because Dauphine was too short. What about Sony boy. The problem is that they all come from the same team. Why do you think they had the headlines in Cyclingnews? do you think the other coaches are not at least asking the same questions?Well then you have to ask the same about Pogacar, Van Aert, Roglic, and so on. How can they have their outstanding preformance when other teams are doping? The only rider from Bahrain who really has ridden way over his normal level is Padun. Therefore all the Bahrain hate would still be unnesarcy.
honestly, that's a great response from Erzen. Padun is not even close to as ridiculous as Froome, Porte and Thomas were years ago when they suddenly became great climbers. it was pretty out of nowhere but the guy was winning big mountain stages at the Tour of the Alps when he was only 21, and he rode a very good Pais Vasco that year as well, I remember seeing him in a lot of select groups on climbs and breakaways. then I believe he had some injuries and/or health problems, but he was a very promising rider, even if I didn't expect him to ever climb like that, there's been a lot worse things in the past 10 years for sure.
Lutsenko climbing and TT'ing like he did last week was much more eye opening to me
No, he wasn't. He won a stage in Innsbruck, which was hard, but by far no big mountain stage.
Lol what? Caruso podiums the Giro, beating proven GT riders like Yates, Carthy, Bardet, etc and he's not above his normal level?Well then you have to ask the same about Pogacar, Van Aert, Roglic, and so on. How can they have their outstanding preformance when other teams are doping? The only rider from Bahrain who really has ridden way over his normal level is Padun. Therefore all the Bahrain hate would still be unnesarcy.
so, how does this work than; only Pog and Padun have acces to this "new stuff"What a bunch of *** from Erzen. You have to be overconfident to attack in two consecutive days and from so far. The guy has no credibility whatsoever given his Aderlass connection.
Basically what is he is saying it's they are using something but it's not forbidden yet. Same excuse others used before " We're clean because we're not caught and we play by the rules" . Probably the same thing Pog used in TDF which gives monstrous recovery and lack of fatigue. Both Pog and Padun looked quite fresh even after mind-blowing performances.
I fear for that last ITT in TdF we will see again some big surprises...
hm, so that means Bahrain just started doping like a month ago to catch upLol what? Caruso podiums the Giro, beating proven GT riders like Yates, Carthy, Bardet, etc and he's not above his normal level?
I know that the widespread narrative has Caruso riding his whole career as a dom for other riders but that's really not the case. He had a ton of opportunities to ride GTs for himself in his prime years. He always was a fringe top10 rider, at best.
And you don't have to ask the same about Pog, Rog, WVA etc. Because you know the answer. They're doping.
Maybe not access, maybe more like daredevil-attitude, more willing to risk getting caught, and maybe even disregard of silent agreements to keep it somewhat believable (maybe a tad conspirative...). Pog and Paduns performances were out of line, and the explanation of them turning the juice up in whatever way seems to me more likely than "logical next step because always talented", "lost the fat", etc.so, how does this work than; only Pog and Padun have acces to this "new stuff"
Lol what? Caruso podiums the Giro, beating proven GT riders like Yates, Carthy, Bardet, etc and he's not above his normal level?
I know that the widespread narrative has Caruso riding his whole career as a dom for other riders but that's really not the case. He had a ton of opportunities to ride GTs for himself in his prime years. He always was a fringe top10 rider, at best.
And you don't have to ask the same about Pog, Rog, WVA etc. Because you know the answer. They're doping.
hm, so that means Bahrain just started doping like a month ago to catch up
I don't agree. I am having doubts about Caruso as well. His performance was above his level if you asked me. And some people have come here to defend Haig and his normal progression, Ok but he is know looking like top-top. I'll give him a pass just because Dauphine was too short. What about Sony boy. The problem is that they all come from the same team. Why do you think they had the headlines in Cyclingnews? do you think the other coaches are not at least asking the same questions?
I think Padun screwed up. He over did it. Same like Mayo. All it took was a phone call and Mayo was done. Here will be different because nobody considers Padun a risk. But I am sure the alarm bells are making noise everywhere about Bahrain.
so, is Pog on this new stuff always or just on that TTMaybe not access, maybe more like daredevil-attitude, more willing to risk getting caught, and maybe even disregard of silent agreements to keep it somewhat believable (maybe a tad conspirative...). Pog and Paduns performances were out of line, and the explanation of them turning the juice up in whatever way seems to me more likely than "logical next step because always talented", "lost the fat", etc.
Well no idea, but tt looked way more fueled, wouldnt you say?so, is Pog on this new stuff always or just on that TT