Baron Coe, cleans?

[MagnificentMerckx]

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Seems like MagnificientMerckx is afraid to state the reason it's a certainty Seb was certainly clean. Probably for good reason.

cos the nitwit picked a doped rider as his handle

Well you are on the top list of conspiracy idiots...................unicorns, bigfoot any one LOL

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

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Race Radio talks about him being a Conconi customer. I wanted to learn more, but google only links to RR's tweets and posts.

I don't doubt it. The man set WRs like setting the thermostat. His training load is well documented and well understood as incredibly intense, and not replicable by "normal" runners.

That and the golden boy narrative woven against Ovett, it is all too good to be true.

Ah, in short No. Just nonsense.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Besmirching the character of a man who was so obviously clean, which of course is against the law, is the height of hypocrisy and cowardice.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

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i say we expose this guy for the fraud he is in the next coupla pages. any sports reporter with time on their hands and/or looking for a scoop should be interested in the Conconi link.

Sniper, there is no Conconi link. That is just absurd.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

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Seems like MagnificientMerckx is afraid to state the reason it's a certainty Seb was certainly clean. Probably for good reason.

Sounds to me like you are, well, continually, and habitually making a fool out of yourself. Aliens.......???

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Ah the Clinic, where the crowd comes, do as they think, but are wrong, make threads last thousands of posts, most of which have no basis in reality. A place where if anyone has a victory they are a doper automatically, without evidence. Only sometimes, 5% of the time are things possibly correct. Hide behind a name and defame the character of individuals, which is not your right to do. People that do this on a continual basis is unhealthy for themselves. I am not prepared to go on the Internet and make unfounded allegations against any individual that have no substance either in fact or in law. You are responsible for what you write. Not the people who run this forum.

For the the last time please let me pass this by : Sebastian Coe was a clean Athlete. That is beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[the sceptic]

you seem to know a lot about the clinic for someone who started posting 2 weeks ago. A mere coincidence of course.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

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you seem to know a lot about the clinic for someone who started posting 2 weeks ago. A mere coincidence of course.

No honestly, its not a coincidence. I used to drop by from time to time to catch up on some of the latest conspiracy theories.
Then I decided, what the heck, I shall create an account and join the fun.

 

[Benotti69]

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Ah the Clinic, where the crowd comes, do as they think, but are wrong, make threads last thousands of posts, most of which have no basis in reality. A place where if anyone has a victory they are a doper automatically, without evidence. Only sometimes, 5% of the time are things possibly correct. Hide behind a name and defame the character of individuals, which is not your right to do. People that do this on a continual basis is unhealthy for themselves. I am not prepared to go on the Internet and make unfounded allegations against any individual that have no substance either in fact or in law. You are responsible for what you write. Not the people who run this forum.

For the the last time please let me pass this by : Sebastian Coe was a clean Athlete. That is beyond all reasonable doubt.

The hurt in this post...............

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

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Ah the Clinic, where the crowd comes, do as they think, but are wrong, make threads last thousands of posts, most of which have no basis in reality. A place where if anyone has a victory they are a doper automatically, without evidence. Only sometimes, 5% of the time are things possibly correct. Hide behind a name and defame the character of individuals, which is not your right to do. People that do this on a continual basis is unhealthy for themselves. I am not prepared to go on the Internet and make unfounded allegations against any individual that have no substance either in fact or in law. You are responsible for what you write. Not the people who run this forum.

For the the last time please let me pass this by : Sebastian Coe was a clean Athlete. That is beyond all reasonable doubt.

The hurt in this post...............

I'm sure you will get over it

 

[SeriousSam]

Just say why you believe he's clean. If that should be the case, just admit that it's because you think he's a man of outstanding character. A British lord who would never engage in dirty practices such as doping, like mere peasants of lower character would.

Then we can all have a laugh and move on, but when you keep passive aggressively asserting that it's the third fundamental law of the thermodynamics that Coe was clean, we feel compelled to keep asking as to what might have prompted you to form such an absurd opinion.

 

[Tonton]

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HISTORY [of autologous blood transfusions among athletes]

The first alleged use of blood boosting in sport was in the 1960s, when a French four times winner of the Tour de France (1961–1964) was named as one of the first cyclists to use the technique. Widespread use among endurance athletes (especially running, cycling, and cross country skiing) started after the 1968 Olympic Games, in Mexico City which is situated at an altitude of 2300 m.1 Here the athletes from higher altitudes performed better in the endurance events because of various physiological acclimatisation adaptations, including increased red blood cell (RBC) mass.5 Blood boosting was the method adopted by many athletes after Mexico to increase their aerobic performance.6 It did not come to general public attention until the early 1970s when it was termed “blood doping” by the media.7,8 This followed a Finnish steeplechaser using the technique before winning two gold medals in endurance runs at the 1972 Munich Olympics.1 The technique became more popular during the 1980s and was used by distance runners (5000 m, 10000 m, marathon runners), cyclists, and skiers.1,9–11 Specific accusations were made against the Russians, Italians, Finns, Americans, and East Germans, particularly during the 1980 and 1984 Olympics.1,9,10 Athletes who admitted using the technique included the Italian cyclist who beat the one hour world record in 1984 and a Russian distance runner who specifically admitted to autologous transfusion with two units by team doctors in 1980.1 The US Olympic cycling team also admitted to having received homologous transfusions from friends and family before achieving outstanding results in the 1984 Olympic games, winning a record nine medals despite not having performed well in past Games.

The IOC forbade blood boosting after the 1984 Olympics, despite the fact that no methods had been devised for unequivocal detection.7

Blood boosting became less widespread after 1987 (despite admitted use by a US Nordic skier in that year)9 with the invention of rHuEpo to stimulate erythropoiesis in patients with renal failure. rHuEpo was soon adopted as the standard drug by which athletes could illegally boost their RBC mass, and the need for blood boosting diminished.

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/38/1/99.full

Hard to read past the first sentence, which contains a mistake, and think that the author did any serious research and/or was well-informed

Did Andy Schleck win the '57 TdF too?

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Tried to put MM on ignore, got this:

"The usernames you specified could either not be found or are not activated users."

 

[DirtyWorks]

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i say we expose this guy for the fraud he is in the next coupla pages. any sports reporter with time on their hands and/or looking for a scoop should be interested in the Conconi link.

Sniper, there is no Conconi link. That is just absurd.

Yet some elite running coach, Canova, corroborates the claim?

Unless you can post something others can verify, I'm afraid your word is no good. There's too much bad history to trust ANYONE.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Do people seriously think this Eddie Merckx guy is being serious?

 

[The Hitch]

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you seem to know a lot about the clinic for someone who started posting 2 weeks ago. A mere coincidence of course.

No honestly, its not a coincidence. I used to drop by from time to time to catch up on some of the latest conspiracy theories.
Then I decided, what the heck, I shall create an account and join the fun.

"Time to time" lol ok.

 

[sniper]

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Do people seriously think this Eddie Merckx guy is being serious?

in fact, i think he's succesfully playing us.
he bumped this thread with an obvious bait about Coe being clean.
I think he actually wants us to dig up dirt against Coe.
Well played...

 

[The Hitch]

That's the second time you suggested you are going to take down Coe. How you going to do that. It's not like you can go back in time and take blood samples.

 

[TailWindHome]

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I think people are arguing the toss here. There's no way of knowing either way, it's just guesswork. So long ago, clearly it was going on at the time so they were successful against some doped athletes, but to my knowledge there has been no whispers, no whistle-blowers, no anecdotal evidence. That is no more proof of being clean than the former is of being doped, but we know most of the historical demons in cycling, even if they didn't get caught during their career.

But I do get the point of this place is to speculate in either direction, but you'll never get closure here. The modern athletes there is a chance at least.

Take Sebastian Coe though, a highly prolific athlete. It's been thirty odd years since he was competing. It's more likely than not if any thing suspicious was going on with Coe that something would have emerged, but nothing has ever come out that would sway the masses since that time. And I doubt that anything ever will. The odds are heavily stacked in Coe's favour to being a clean competitor.

What an idiotic argument.

Indurain admits to taking EPO and yet in 24 years since his TDF no actual evidence has come out against him and the majority of the cycling world and his fans seem to still think he was clean.

FFS people need to think things through before they post sometimes.

When did that happen?

 

[sniper]

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That's the second time you suggested you are going to take down Coe. How you going to do that. It's not like you can go back in time and take blood samples.

there's no second time. he was quoting an old post. back then i got carried away.
right now i'd say there's nothing to prove either way wrt Lord Coe.
nevertheless, i've seen some good posts in the last coupla pages, and in fact i had forgotten about the Conconi link, so MagnificentMerckx bumping the thread wasn't all in vane.
What if MM pulled out his Coe-defense-act not to defend Coe, but to dig up dirt on him.
How else would you explain MM's obvious troll act in here?
Anybody know who's running against Coe for the IAAF presidency?

 

[neineinei]

Sergey Bubka is running for president.

And Isaiah Kiplagat and Dahlan Al Hamad are running for vice president.

 

[hrotha]

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How else would you explain MM's obvious troll act in here?

For ****s and giggles. That's how trolls work.

 

[The Hitch]

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Sergey Bubka is running for president.

And Isaiah Kiplagat and Dahlan Al Hamad are running for vice president.

 

[The Hitch]

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That's the second time you suggested you are going to take down Coe. How you going to do that. It's not like you can go back in time and take blood samples.

there's no second time. he was quoting an old post. back then i got carried away.
right now i'd say there's nothing to prove either way wrt Lord Coe.
nevertheless, i've seen some good posts in the last coupla pages, and in fact i had forgotten about the Conconi link, so MagnificentMerckx bumping the thread wasn't all in vane.
What if MM pulled out his Coe-defense-act not to defend Coe, but to dig up dirt on him.
How else would you explain MM's obvious troll act in here?
Anybody know who's running against Coe for the IAAF presidency?

So you are saying someone who wants to find out if there is anything against Coe would, rather than just spend 10 seconds making 1 post that says "hey guys, is there any dirt on Coe", instead opt to spend days creating post after post after post through a troll account baiting people accusing them of jealousy etc.

I mean, we know you like to see shadows everywhere, but come on.

 

[blackcat]

Arbiter / BanProCycling?

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