Walkman said:And this is not speculative? Lemond at least got the VO2 Max to back it up. Give me some of the other riders numbers and we can talk.
How is VO2 Max tested btw?
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Walkman said:And this is not speculative? Lemond at least got the VO2 Max to back it up. Give me some of the other riders numbers and we can talk.
roundabout said:And of course you didn't post about him always having great physical talent and that he would always be at the top.
No, that didn't happen and I only imagined it.
kingjr said:How is VO2 Max tested btw?
jens_attacks said:i have 50 hematocrit natural and i suck. means shiit
vo2 max means shiit too
lance and marco, guys who fed with pain. that's how they won. it's all about the pain.
And based on your performance, your VO2Max is determined? Meaning that if you were on PED's the result would be 'better'?Walkman said:Either way, you can do it in different ways. Running or cycling are the most common I think.
When I did it (running), we did a rather long and hard warm up. I remember asking if we could stop the warm up and continue to the test at one point. Anyway, after the warm up was complete I started running at a somewhat fast pace and then every 30 seconds (might have been 20) the pace would increase and also the treadmill running deck was raised continuously.
Walkman said:Uhm, are you serious?
VO2 Max are essential. Good luck climbing Alpe with a VO2 Max of 70. It doesn't matter how much suffering you can endure. You will never produce the watts needed to climb Alpe in 40 minutes.
You doesn't seem to know what you are talking about.
kingjr said:And based on your performance, your VO2Max is determined? Meaning that if you were on PED's the result would be 'better'?
Vino attacks everyone said:Didn't the norwegian young cyclist Svendsen have VO2 max over 95 or something? Doenst mean he will win much
kingjr said:Why is it then that some people ask of some cyclists to do a VO2max test to help get an answer to whether their performances are legit or not?
Vino attacks everyone said:I couldn't make a list over riders that I've never seen racing really, but of those I've seen and if everyone used Ferrari I would guess something like
1. Pantani
2. Contador
3. Heras
4. Quintana
5. Basso
The Hitch said:
no vino, nibali, kash or aru
The Hitch said:
no vino, nibali, kash or aru
kingjr said:Why is it then that some people ask of some cyclists to do a VO2max test to help get an answer to whether their performances are legit or not?
Race Radio said:Vo2 Max is only one element. Most teams do not even do it anymore. It is a nice number to have but there are 3-4 other measurements that teams look for. These days it seems every big team has some new way of measuring a riders ability, usually focused around lactate and efforts of variable duration depending on the riders focus
A rider can have a super high Vo2 but can't perform after 5 hours of several climbs. Often this is because of their way their body burns fat/sugars and the resulting acid level in their blood. While much of this has been know for a while the large scale adaption is fairly new. Saw an interesting interview with Belkin's nutritionist. His quote was "Train carb low, race cab high". Beyond the weight loss benefits it also trains your body to burn fat instead of sugar.....resulting in less acid. This can be a big benefit on the final climb of a 5 hour race
MonkeyFace said:A lot of what I have read leads me to believe that muscle acidosis is a bunk theory that is still held onto because a lot of training methods still hang on it. Not to say that they don't work but the science is wrong.
Vino attacks everyone said:Didn't you read my post. "If they used Ferrari". Vino, Nibbles, Kash and Aru would never dope. Ican't even imagine it. So thet are disqualified from the list.
Honestly Hitch. I thought that was obvious
Amazinmets73 said:I'd love to see Contador at 60%
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_SvendsenVino attacks everyone said:Didn't the norwegian young cyclist Svendsen have VO2 max over 95 or something? Doenst mean he will win much
jens_attacks said:....
guys who fed with pain. that's how they won. it's all about the pain....
Dr. Juice said:You all say " Don't know what to make of Pantani" but I think even if you assume he was a very good EPO responder and take the maximum perfomance advantage you can extract out of this substance....and take that much away in minutes or watts....he would still climb reasonably well clean in a doped field - such an advantage he had over the rest.
Race Radio said:A rider can have a super high Vo2 but can't perform after 5 hours of several climbs. Often this is because of their way their body burns fat/sugars and the resulting acid level in their blood. While much of this has been know for a while the large scale adaption is fairly new. Saw an interesting interview with Belkin's nutritionist. His quote was "Train carb low, race cab high". Beyond the weight loss benefits it also trains your body to burn fat instead of sugar.....resulting in less acid. This can be a big benefit on the final climb of a 5 hour race
And yet three of the last four Tours (2011, 2012, 2013) have been won by world class TT specialists. I wonder what would happened if MTF were to be reduced and ITT kms increased.Echoes said:The Tour of France today is a matter for specialists, as I argued on other places. Dozens of MTF, steeper gradients then before and barely one flat ITT that can't balance the mountains. It's a pretty damn joke. I understand why Cancellara hates it, now. But I won't complain. The classics have the upper hand, it's just so good.