Betsy Andreu Is A National Treasure

[Moose McKnuckles]

Is the chivalrous know it all coming to rescue the damsel?

No, I think he's trying to rescue you from the damsel before she puts another foot in your a$$ and gives you a headache.

 

[D-Queued]

No, I do not think you should have lied for Lance.
But what do I know about lying.
Not that much really.

...

I am sure Betsy appreciates the compliment.

But, I am confused. Are you trying to paint yourself as the resident expert on lying?

Dave.

 

[andy1234]

andy, flicker, zigwhatever, polish,
If you would oblige me with intelligent dialogue. If you don't know how much I hated the doping culture, read David Walsh's book.
What I'd really like to know is in your opinions, should I have lied for Lance whether it be under oath or to whomever. Should I have lied for Lance?

Mrs Andreu,
Why are you including me with those other posters?
Not once have I questioned your motives or character.

I am pleased that events are turning your way after clearly being treated appalingly.
Beyond that, if you think I am wrong to question the OP description of you as a "national treasure" we will just have to disagree.

 

[andy1234]

No, you don't know what you are talking about. You just continue to prove over and over that word meanings are optional to you, but that doesn't change the fact that the word you should have used is "elicit."

Hey, you want to keep looking like a fool, don't let me stand in the way. Fell free tiger.

As for who I am, and what I do, lets just say that what I do necessitates using words in their specific context and precise meaning. If they aren't, there is no end to the difficulties they can cause. In the "real world" words have meanings. You want to free ball it and argue when you are wrong. Again, don't let me stop your ignorance. I am happy to watch and laugh a mocking laugh every time you post.

Toodles!

I must say, your career path sounds woefully dull.
I also "fell" like you need to work harder, but keep up the study, you'll get there!

 

[Granville57]

No, I do not think you should have lied for Lance.
But what do I know about lying.
Not that much really.

I have to say, you and your cohorts have really come up short in the past few days. The recent offerings by you and the other Mousketeers are no longer funny.

Which means they are no longer entertaining.

Which means they are now totally worthless.

As the federal case becomes more serious, the postings by you and the others have exceeded the usual labels attributed to them.

They’re much worse now—they’ve become boring.

 

[HL2037]

Elizab, you did what some of the toughest athletes in cycling did not dare: You stood up to Lance. You chose to do what was right over doing what was easy and lucrative. I'd say you are a treasure on a global level.

 

[Archibald]

Newton's Third Law

Having a bit of a chuckle as this thread unwound, then this.
Champagne comedy!

I'd also raise a glass to Betsy. The epitomy of Integrity.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why don't you lay off the ChrisE stalking/trolling for awhile, and let her answer the questions? What are you scared of? Is the chivalrous know it all coming to rescue the damsel?

FYI, in case you didn't know, SCA dealt with payment for winning 5 tours. Those started in 1999, not in a hospital bed in 1996.

As for the alerts, maybe she can confirm that is what she does.

Nice try.

I am sorry to upset you.

To answer your question, no - why should I ever "lay off" asking you questions and pointing out that even though you are very vocal about Betsy & LeMond it is obvious you have never read From Lance To Landis - which would answer many of your questions and stop you seeming so bitter.

Case in point - SCA dealt with only 4 Tours (2001 to 2004), not 5 as you said.

 

[ChrisE]

*Why don't you call the DOJ and ask them as the answer to your first 3 questions.
* All over the internet? You surely jest. "Parrotting the same thing". You have the option to not read. If you don't think I should be quoted, then write the journalist and say they should've never called me. To presume I have alerts really is presumptuous.
* How many times have I even posted here in the last few months? Hardly ever.
I'd opine someone is a hater and jealous but I won't go there.
Hatred for the truth and to expect people to commit felonies because they can't handle or don't care about the truth says a heck of a lot more about them/you than it does anything else.
So much for the intelligent dialogue.

Starting last first in your reply....has anybody in this thread said you should have lied? Has anybody on this thread said you were lying? Have I, ever, from even as far back as the DPF days? I ask you some simple questions and now you go into some diatribe about something that has nothing to do with what I ask. Why so defensive???

The question about relavancy is something I had been meaning to ask you for awhile, and since you are in here soaking up the sun with your sycophants I thought it was a good time. As you say you don't post here much, but this thread is like a baited field and I knew you would be active in it.

I can see you won't answer the relevancy questions but that is OK. Also, I didn't realize the DOJ was involved in intigating SCA. That's interesting and something new altogether me thinks.

I also see you won't admit you have alerts, as one of your fans states, when something is of interest to you ie Lance Armstrong pops up on the internet. Maybe you are just lucky and stumble across some of this stuff randomly. If you don't actually have something like that on your computer then I am sure he can send you a script. He has one that alerts him every time I post.

Basically in summary your reply to me is a non-reply, then a diatribe about justice. OK. Let's get back to the adulation.

To the OP - will you be starting a thead about how much a national treasure FL is? Without him spilling the beans the current investigation would not be happening. That's slightly more important than what was said in a hospital room in 1996.

 

[Anonymous]

I must say, your career path sounds woefully dull.
I also "fell" like you need to work harder, but keep up the study, you'll get there!

Really, that's all you got? Mmmmkay.

But good to see that you tacitly admit your error.

 

[Anonymous]

Starting last first in your reply....has anybody in this thread said you should have lied? Has anybody on this thread said you were lying? Have I, ever, from even as far back as the DPF days? I ask you some simple questions and now you go into some diatribe about something that has nothing to do with what I ask. Why so defensive???

The question about relavancy is something I had been meaning to ask you for awhile, and since you are in here soaking up the sun with your sycophants I thought it was a good time. As you say you don't post here much, but this thread is like a baited field and I knew you would be active in it.

I can see you won't answer the relevancy questions but that is OK. Also, I didn't realize the DOJ was involved in intigating SCA. That's interesting and something new altogether me thinks.

I also see you won't admit you have alerts, as one of your fans states, when something is of interest to you ie Lance Armstrong pops up on the internet. Maybe you are just lucky and stumble across some of this stuff randomly. If you don't actually have something like that on your computer then I am sure he can send you a script. He has one that alerts him every time I post.

Basically in summary your reply to me is a non-reply, then a diatribe about justice. OK. Let's get back to the adulation.

To the OP - will you be starting a thead about how much a national treasure FL is? Without him spilling the beans the current investigation would not be happening. That's slightly more important than what was said in a hospital room in 1996.

This is one of those times where I don't get why you are so vitriolic. You know full well that she didn't come forward with anything, she was subpoenaed and testified to what she heard.

Then she was attacked by Armstrong. I am not sure how you can characterize it any other way. So, because of that, she decided to defend herself. You mention posting about this in the past and doing searches to find her on the internet. So let me get this straight, you feel wonderfully fine with your actions toward her, but somehow her defending herself (and there is really no other way to describe it) it odious to you? What skin do you have in the game? Because she has quite a bit, and it sounds like its removal was pretty painful. I wonder how well you would hold up under the attack of someone as powerful, wealthy, and influential as is Mr. Armstrong?

As to coming to the rescue of a Damsel, sure there is an element of that in my decision to post. Certainly I feel more motivated to defend a woman than I do a man in something like this. I was raised that way. The funny thing is that from everything I have read, Betsy is very capable of defending herself, so it isn't as much about any weakness I perceive in her, and much more about an instinct I have that was ingrained in me.

Personally, I think you are being contrary just to be contrary, but I could be wrong.

 

[elizab]

andy1234, this thread is all in fun. F U N.
ChrisE, I answered your questions, you don't want to listen to the answers. I refuse to answer your relevancy question. You want answers, go and ask the Department of Justice.
I never ever have had nor will I have an alert on lance. The journalists who call me are a pretty good indication an article will be coming out.
I've responded to you and am now ignoring you. Intelligent discourse with an irrational person is a dead end.
Polish, the saints didn't deal with the American judicial system. I'm confident they wouldn't have lied either. Had they, they'd have been wronging a man (Bob Hamman of SCA) who lost millions to a fraud. Lying is wrong. It has nothing to do about being self-righteous it has to do with not commiting a felony. Had someone screwed you, would you want people to tell the truth or would you shrug it off if they lied. Let's not forget Bob lost millions to a guy who deceived him. So when we're thrown into this we should've said, "Lance is our friend. Who cares about this guy and his millions?" Really? Really?
George Costanza - now that's funny.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Starting last first in your reply....has anybody in this thread said you should have lied? Has anybody on this thread said you were lying? Have I, ever, from even as far back as the DPF days? I ask you some simple questions and now you go into some diatribe about something that has nothing to do with what I ask. Why so defensive???

The question about relavancy is something I had been meaning to ask you for awhile, and since you are in here soaking up the sun with your sycophants I thought it was a good time. As you say you don't post here much, but this thread is like a baited field and I knew you would be active in it.

I can see you won't answer the relevancy questions but that is OK. Also, I didn't realize the DOJ was involved in intigating SCA. That's interesting and something new altogether me thinks.

I also see you won't admit you have alerts, as one of your fans states, when something is of interest to you ie Lance Armstrong pops up on the internet. Maybe you are just lucky and stumble across some of this stuff randomly. If you don't actually have something like that on your computer then I am sure he can send you a script. He has one that alerts him every time I post.

Basically in summary your reply to me is a non-reply, then a diatribe about justice. OK. Let's get back to the adulation.

To the OP - will you be starting a thead about how much a national treasure FL is? Without him spilling the beans the current investigation would not be happening. That's slightly more important than what was said in a hospital room in 1996.

Actually you were the one to suggest that Betsy has newsalerts - not me.

What do you have on your computer that alerts you to what is happening on the web? You have accused others of that before, so how are you so omniscient?

I answered that "Its not at all difficult to set up news alerts." - it isn't.

No, I don't have an alert everytime you post - (although I have a thing on my phone that alerts to new posts from everyone on certain threads).
I know you would like to think that but I actually only point out the errors in your argument, you could save us both a little time by doing some research before you post.

I am not sure where to put in rolleyes so I will add it here

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Without getting too involved in the mud-slinging, I'd like to chip-in.

Betsy, in all of her statements that I've read from her (including this thread) writes clearly, directly and maintains relevance. These are characteristics, at least in my eyes, of someone who has nothing to hide, no agenda and who is willing to respond to irrational attacks with reasoned argument.

When I read the posts of users such as ChrisE, in this thread as much as any, I cannot make head nor tail of the position that's being taken or the argument that's being put forward. Being contrary for its own ends serves no purpose, and undermining Betsy for no reason makes no sense because she has nothing to undermine - her position is clear, unambiguous and consistent.

My position? If Betsy came to the UK she should be honoured by the Queen herself, I consider Betsy to be a hero and a sign of all that is good about America. It's people like Betsy, who remain steadfast to the prinicples of truth and fairness, that ensure tyrany and false reporting of history do not prevail. If Betsy (and others) had buckled under the abuse that Armstrong directed at her and got out the game to ensure a quiet life, those of us who desire change in professional cycling would have been shouting in the dark.

Good on you Betsy. If professional cycling is to have a positive future it will because people like you spoke-up and took the hits. Is Betsy a national treasure? Absolutely.

Mark

 

[Francois the Postman]

OK guys, seriously. Susan cleaned the thread up before and the baiting, sniping and nonsense just carried on.

WWII, dictionary battles, the history of Christianity, the British Empire, Nicolas Cage [I might have imagined that last one], etc, etc...

I have just deleted 43 posts, whilst losing the will to live, slowly. Not all of it would have gone if I had lifted out the small snippets worth keeping, but Ir eally have better things to do with my Giro time.

That's two mods who had to give this thread an awful lot of attention and one who gave a general warning. If you are responsible for dragging in mod #4, don't be surprised if we make an example of the very hard of hearing.

The topic is clear, stay on it, and think before you post. Don't bait. Don't bite.

 

[thehog]

I'm confident they wouldn't have lied either. Had they, they'd have been wronging a man (Bob Hamman of SCA) who lost millions to a fraud. Lying is wrong. It has nothing to do about being self-righteous it has to do with not commiting a felony. Had someone screwed you, would you want people to tell the truth or would you shrug it off if they lied. Let's not forget Bob lost millions to a guy who deceived him. So when we're thrown into this we should've said, "Lance is our friend. Who cares about this guy and his millions?" Really? Really?
George Costanza - now that's funny.

Thank-you. Actually having to testily under oath I think most if not all on this forum would tell the truth. Faced with everything that “the oath” brings – morally and legally telling the truth is the smartest option. Can’t understand why anyone would be vilified for doing just that. Especially if you are subpoenaed.

Secondary to this is what you mention in reference to Bob. He lost millions. SCA is not a big company. But he lost his original outlay and more on being defrauded.

But YES this is meant to be F-U-N.

 

[zigmeister]

So what does Betsy and her ex-doper husband have to say about the alleged conversation at the hospital, that Lance was asked by medical staff about drug use exactly? Is there a link to all of her exact testimony? Edit, found it...forget that part. Interesting.

She claims that Lance said openly in front of them to medical staff that he said he has used Testosterone, EPO blah blah...etc...

Lance has said in depositions that his mom was always with him, including two other people.

What I want to know is the exact setting, that this happened? Was Lance's mom mysteriously missing, as Lance always said she was with him while at the medical center? Has Lance's mom been subpoened to testify as to what she knows and heard? Or would she just take the 5th?

 

[D-Queued]

So what does Betsy and her ex-doper husband have to say about the alleged conversation at the hospital, that Lance was asked by medical staff about drug use exactly? Is there a link to all of her exact testimony?

She claims that Lance said openly in front of them to medical staff that he said he has used Testosterone, EPO blah blah...etc...

Lance has said in depositions that his mom was always with him, including two other people.

What I want to know is the exact setting, that this happened? Was Lance's mom mysteriously missing, as Lance always said she was with him while at the medical center? Has Lance's mom been subpoened to testify as to what she knows and heard? Or would she just take the 5th?

Boy, are you new to these parts.

Ummm.... yes. How many citations would you like?

Dave.

 

[VeloCity]

Boy, are you new to these parts.

Ummm.... yes. How many citations would you like?

Dave.

No, let Betsy handle that one.

 

[zigmeister]

Boy, are you new to these parts.

Ummm.... yes. How many citations would you like?

Dave.

Found the links thanks. Interesting.

 

[MacRoadie]

Boy, are you new to these parts.

Dave.

He seems to have this part down pat though:

Betsy and her ex-doper husband

 

[Race Radio]

So what does Betsy and her ex-doper husband have to say about the alleged conversation at the hospital, that Lance was asked by medical staff about drug use exactly? Is there a link to all of her exact testimony? Edit, found it...forget that part. Interesting.

She claims that Lance said openly in front of them to medical staff that he said he has used Testosterone, EPO blah blah...etc...

Lance has said in depositions that his mom was always with him, including two other people.

What I want to know is the exact setting, that this happened? Was Lance's mom mysteriously missing, as Lance always said she was with him while at the medical center? Has Lance's mom been subpoened to testify as to what she knows and heard? Or would she just take the 5th?

You may want to hold the babble on this topic. Stephanie testified for 7 hour in front of the Grand Jury. This time she told the truth

 

[elizab]

Can you at least admit, zig, that ex-doper husband's career was derailed because he rode clean and wouldn't get on a doping program? He was "selfish"! He thought of himself when he turned down Ferrari.
Moderators, I would prefer all vitriol and baiting remain posted and not moderated or deleted. All I ask is that any vitriol, smears, and/or baiting which appears stays but is not able to then be edited by those who posted such.

Thanks.

 

[VeloCity]

You may want to hold the babble on this topic. Stephanie testified for 7 hour in front of the Grand Jury. This time she told the truth

If that's true, puts Stapleton in a bit of a bind, doesn't it.

 

[zigmeister]

Can you at least admit, zig, that ex-doper husband's career was derailed because he rode clean and wouldn't get on a doping program? He was "selfish"! He thought of himself when he turned down Ferrari.
Moderators, I would prefer all vitriol and baiting remain posted and not moderated or deleted. All I ask is that any vitriol, smears, and/or baiting which appears stays but is not able to then be edited by those who posted such.

Thanks.

A few problems with her statement about the medical room.

Armstrong's primary cancer doctor, Craig Nichols, submitted a sworn affidavit in the case saying, "I have never seen any evidence, either from myself or any other doctor, that indicates Lance Armstrong admitted, suggested or indicated that he has ever taken performance-enhancing drugs."

I would surmise that if medical staff had come into a room asking questions about medical history, wouldn't that be written down in your medical records? Of course it would. And as a good doctor should, review all of Lance's medical records, that would include seeing information regarding medication and drug use correct? This is 101 doctor stuff. Fill out this form, what have you taken or are you taking for medication/drugs currently? Then the assistant, or doctor asks you verball typically again regarding this stuff.

Interesting how his primary oncologist has stated, he has no knowledge of any of this information that by all medical standards and procedure, be written down and part of Lance's medical records. So where are Lance's medical records? Protected by confidentiality for nobody to see? I'm sure that could easily be leaked out, or would have been by now..yet hasn't for some reason.

Or is it Betsy and her husband's "recollection" that the medical staff walked in, said they had some questions, Lance said stay, then after asking Lance the questions, the just listened to what his answer was and didn't write it down? Did Betsy ever say they wrote his answers down for his doctor's to review and as part of his medical file?