Bjarne Riis Fired from Tinkov-Saxo Team!?

[skidmark]

Yeah, regardless of how I feel about the ethics of Riis running a team, from a pure business standpoint it's lunacy. Here's a guy who ran a successful team for many years, involving a solid and seemingly loyal group of O'Grady, Voigt, Cancellara, the Schlecks... some challenging and outspoken personalities, managed well in terms of maximum results... it seemed like the reputation he built from that was a huge reason Contador signed with the team. Since he bought the team Contador won everything he was in last year pretty much, and now because he stumbles at Andalucia and T-A that's it? Obviously it's 90% ego and not results. I feel like Tinkov is driving this team towards a 'marginal brains' approach.

 

[DenisMenchov]

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Denis Menchov will be available after April 9th.
Maybe Oleg wants a fellow Russian for DS, and
as he is wont to tweet:''Foreigners go to he!!.''

That would be fun.

 

[ICEROCK]

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So the human drama is interesting, and speculation about the why is intriguing, but more relevant is the sporting effect.

Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?

How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?

Obviously, in Oleg's mind, Riis' training method is no longer a match to modern cycling training development, therefore Riis can no longer produce the results Oleg wants (including never won Tour in the past three years, and Contador get dropped by Froom easily in multiple occasions, the list goes on). So Riis has to go.

 

[Miburo]

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So the human drama is interesting, and speculation about the why is intriguing, but more relevant is the sporting effect.

Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?

How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?

Obviously, in Oleg's mind, Riis' training method is no longer a match to modern cycling training development, therefore Riis can no longer produce the results Oleg wants (including never won Tour in the past three years, and Contador get dropped by Froom easily in multiple occasions, the list goes on). So Riis has to go.

Clueless guy you are

 

[Jancouver]

So Majka is defending his employer. We can expect Majka going full *** and deliver the goods very soon just to please his boss.

 

[mrhender]

Do you have a link Jancouver?

 

[DBotero]

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Do you have a link Jancouver?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/majka-t ... wins-count

 

[mrhender]

I'am watching danish TV2 sport with Michael Rasmussen as guest...

He suggests that some top riders have a "Riis clause" in their contract which is why Bjarne is only suspended and not fired..

I could imagine Contador having one, but don't know about Sagan...

 

[mrhender]

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Do you have a link Jancouver?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/majka-t ... wins-count

Ahh thanks...

Wake up mrhender

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Riis probably was the one who said "lets not get EBH, trust me"

I would be pissed too. He paid good money to get Sagan just to have the up and comer unsupported on a squad built around a fading star.

 

[TheQuick]

Boasson Hagen had all of the Norwegian press and Thor Hushovd advising him to not sign with Tinkoff Saxo. Oleg Tinkov is a man their think he knows everything about cycling, but he's not that wise as he thinks.

 

[Mr.White]

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So the human drama is interesting, and speculation about the why is intriguing, but more relevant is the sporting effect.

Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?

How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?

Obviously, in Oleg's mind, Riis' training method is no longer a match to modern cycling training development, therefore Riis can no longer produce the results Oleg wants (including never won Tour in the past three years, and Contador get dropped by Froom easily in multiple occasions, the list goes on). So Riis has to go.

What the f..k are you talking about!!! What training method, what multiple occasions, what are you on?!

 

[mrhender]

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What the f..k are you talking about!!! What training method, what multiple occasions, what are you on?!

On ignore list... Busting his @ss off six hours a day

 

[Electress]

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Apparently this is what happened: after the TA-stage where Quintana dropped Contador Tinkov was furious and wanted Riis to demote De Jongh and take the seat in the car himself to "show how good he really was". Riis refused saying he trusted his SDs. Also on a meeting later on Tinkov was yelling and screaming and Sagan stood up to him which rarely happens. All this apparently led to the suspension........

More here in this article (in Danish)

http://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/2015-03-2 ... -og-tinkov

What a Bleeding Jerk Tinkov is. Good for Riis and Sagan to stand up to him. Next if will be Sagan's turn I guess ro get pummeled. Talk about low team morale, this could be the demise of TS.

Very pleased to hear that Riis treated his team respectfully and that Sagan didn't take the shite lying down. Honestly, what an idiot Oleg is.

 

[ICEROCK]

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So the human drama is interesting, and speculation about the why is intriguing, but more relevant is the sporting effect.

Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?

How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?

Obviously, in Oleg's mind, Riis' training method is no longer a match to modern cycling training development, therefore Riis can no longer produce the results Oleg wants (including never won Tour in the past three years, and Contador get dropped by Froom easily in multiple occasions, the list goes on). So Riis has to go.

What the f..k are you talking about!!! What training method, what multiple occasions, what are you on?!

Contador's performance is a piece of **** after he came back from his sanction considering how much money Oleg is paying him, pull your head out of Contador;s ******* ***

 

[Jelantik]

the last time i checked that kind of things happen in american football or soccer. Cycling is unpredictable. It's just about tactic, but it's the rider fitness, competitor and the luck. You could be in find and dandy shape and next second later you are in the ditch and there goes all your race. I've never heard in cycling there's so much pressure on one team than anyone else in the peloton. TS might a high profile team, it's a tough environment to live in.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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So the human drama is interesting, and speculation about the why is intriguing, but more relevant is the sporting effect.

Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?

How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?

Obviously, in Oleg's mind, Riis' training method is no longer a match to modern cycling training development, therefore Riis can no longer produce the results Oleg wants (including never won Tour in the past three years, and Contador get dropped by Froom easily in multiple occasions, the list goes on). So Riis has to go.

What the f..k are you talking about!!! What training method, what multiple occasions, what are you on?!

Contador's performance is a piece of **** after he came back from his sanction considering how much money Oleg is paying him, pull your head out of Contador;s fu.king as%

Seriously, maxmartin, just go away.

 

[Miburo]

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Seriously, maxmartin, just go away.[/quote]

DId they finally ban his account?

 

[arvc40]

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So the human drama is interesting, and speculation about the why is intriguing, but more relevant is the sporting effect.

Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?

How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?

Obviously, in Oleg's mind, Riis' training method is no longer a match to modern cycling training development, therefore Riis can no longer produce the results Oleg wants (including never won Tour in the past three years, and Contador get dropped by Froom easily in multiple occasions, the list goes on). So Riis has to go.

What the f..k are you talking about!!! What training method, what multiple occasions, what are you on?!

Contador's performance is a piece of **** after he came back from his sanction considering how much money Oleg is paying him, pull your head out of Contador;s fu.king as%

You OK ?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Seriously, maxmartin, just go away.

DId they finally ban his account?

He got a 2 month ban a week ago for making a disgusting comment about another member but it appears he's back now

 

[HelloDolly]

This is about one thing only ....Tinkov's ego...He wants TCS to win every race especially as SKY have had such a great start to the season...How many times has he bated Dave Brailsford....If Sky were not going so well he may have been calmer....So he throws wobbly and demoted de Jonagh but Riis won't do what he says and Sagan intervenes ...So what does Tinkov do suspend Riis ...You know the kind of thing .." How dare you disobey my orders and show me up in front of others, bla,bla,bla " He ego cannot stand being thwarted...Anyway I think Riis has had enough and now Tinkov can't get him back ...Hece the wording of the team on their site as if he was meted out with some temporary punishment ...But maybe Tinkov shot himself in the foot....Riis doe snot have to put up with his megalomaniac ways

 

[Jelantik]

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Now confirmed : http://www.tinkoffsaxo.com/news/tinkoff ... arne-riis/

Tinkoff Saxo statement on Bjarne Riis:

“Following the rumors and speculations published by many Danish media first and then by international cycling media later last night, Tinkoff Saxo would like to clarify that Bjarne Riis is not being actively involved in the team’s activities since last Sunday. However, he was not suspended of his active role because of lack of results nor for financial issues. The team management has full confidence in the technical and performance team, in all the riders and staff members and is currently working to establish the best way forward in the racing season. No decisions have been taken and any formal and final decision on any team member – if taken – shall be communicated at the appropriate time. Until then there will be no further comments on this matter.”

The bolded part sounds strange, probably just a way of "spinning it" though, wouldn't read too much into it.

Maybe what it means.. "subordination" Riis probably rejected to fire anyone on his staff. Then Oleg is a bigger idiot.

 

[boringboy]

Well I would be surprised if many of the danes stayed on, believe CAS, Chrithoper Juul Jensen and Breshel's contract are up, so the question is, will they start riding more for themselves to get better results and hope other teams will offer them something or continue riding for Contandor/Sagan?

I would also be very surprised if Riis comes back, it will make either Tinkov or Riis look weak, depending who gives in, and neither are the type of people who will do that. I also believe Riis tactical skills have been show in past, where the team made surprising attacks etc, will others be able to do the same? Who knows at this stage.

Maybe Saxo will join up with Cult and move them up to Pro level? Would give a few of the Danes a "new" team and would push Cult in the right direction, less pressure as well, as don't think anyone would expect them to win the Tour the first few years. Could even build it around a Danish core with Magnus Cort, Fuglsang, Breshel, Valgren, Carbel, Guldhammer.

 

[Jelantik]

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So Majka is defending his employer. We can expect Majka going full *** and deliver the goods very soon just to please his boss.

well i will hope so. Because he was very poor at PN. He will do the tour, so he can afford to peak march and april. So his form at PN was disappointing. He wasn't even a contender. And so far he went backward after Oman. So he gotta show it now. Contador is having cold and both majka/contador lost 2.40 from 3 good climbers, with mountain that's not too hard, maybe stage win will be doable. Winning GC will be priceless.

 

[boringboy]

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So Majka is defending his employer. We can expect Majka going full *** and deliver the goods very soon just to please his boss.

well i will hope so. Because he was very poor at PN. He will do the tour, so he can afford to peak march and april. So his form at PN was disappointing. He wasn't even a contender. And so far he went backward after Oman. So he gotta show it now. Contador is having cold and both majka/contador lost 2.40 from 3 good climbers, with mountain that's not too hard, maybe stage win will be doable. Winning GC will be priceless.

Well pretty much everyone lost 2.4 mins?
But I feel Majka was not happy with what happened last year with him being forced to ride the Tour, even though it ended up quite well for him. So he might be happy Riis is out, but lets see once Tinkov starts having a go at him. But at the same time he does have a point, it is about winning, but again you cant expect Contador to win every race he starts, and Sagan has been close a few times and he still needs to learn to ride with his teammates.