BMC 2012 - Dream Team

[dlwssonic]

No, but BMC is a graveyard for young talent.

We'll see.
One day Phinney will be one of the top TT riders in the world.

 

[El Pistolero]

I wouldn't mind it if we got some dutch rider in BMC, then we could gain the dutch mafia.
We already have the Belgian mafia(led by el pistolero) with riders such as Gilbert, GVA, Lodewyck and Yannick.

I still don't give a sh*t about BMC

All I care for is Evans supporting Gilbert in the hilly classics

 

[auscyclefan94]

No, but BMC is a graveyard for young talent.

can I ask what does that make rabobank? Many riders who move to Rabo generally have horrible season once they have moved to Rabobank. Some of the dutch posters have opnely admitted this. LLS and Breschel are two recent examples.

 

[dlwssonic]

I still don't give a sh*t about BMC

All I care for is Evans supporting Gilbert in the hilly classics

F*ck you!!!!
Gilbert rides for BMC now!

 

[roundabout]

Sanchez sucks, but Breschel is too early to tell at best.

 

[theyoungest]

can I ask what does that make rabobank? Many riders who move to Rabo generally have horrible season once they have moved to Rabobank. Some of the dutch posters have opnely admitted this. LLS and Breschel are two recent examples.

That's because they're very bad at recruiting the right riders for them. And Breschel has hardly ridden his bike this season, so that one doesn't fly. For next season they signed Mark Renshaw. Can you believe it? All these great riders suddenly left without a contract, and they pick Mark Renshaw!

As far as talents are concerned, Rabo are doing pretty well, I would argue.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

can I ask what does that make rabobank? Many riders who move to Rabo generally have horrible season once they have moved to Rabobank. Some of the dutch posters have opnely admitted this. LLS and Breschel are two recent examples.

young talent, which is the primary discussion( you know.. grave yard for young talent), it would seem they are flourishing considering where the age group of their best riders

 

[El Pistolero]

young talent, which is the primary discussion( you know.. grave yard for young talent), it would seem they are flourishing considering where the age group of their best riders

But Rabo have a youth team. Every team without one doesn't develop young talents and well that's most of the World Tour teams.

I really don't see what developing young talents have to do with a dream team or super team. And how can they be a graveyard for young talent? GVA is finally winning again, Phinney won a world Tour stage and did a good time trial at the Vuelta. They're not even old enough as a team to be called a graveyard for young talent. Young talents tend to be overrated. Blame the young talent, not the team. Take Goss for example: won MSR and did nothing after that. Is that HTC's fault? No, it's his fault for not taking his sport serious enough.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

But Rabo have a youth team. Every team without one doesn't develop young talents and well that's most of the World Tour teams.

I really don't see what developing young talents have to do with a dream team or super team. And how can they be a graveyard for young talent? GVA is finally winning again, Phinney won a world Tour stage and did a good time trial at the Vuelta. They're not even old enough as a team to be called a graveyard for young talent. Young talents tend to be overrated. Blame the young talent, not the team. Take Goss for example: won MSR and did nothing after that. Is that HTC's fault? No, it's his fault for not taking his sport serious enough.

I already pointed out that having a feeder team is a great benefit.

anyway, not my words. If GVA didn't win there considering the field that would have been rock bottom Again in a strong field, vuelta, he has been no where to be seen.

so far their is little evidence of rider development, but as you said it is a young team, so we'll see.

But certainly the dutch guys mentioned, which created this little discussion, would probably be better at rabo.

Buta nyway regarding the dutch guys, they would be better of

 

[El Pistolero]

I already pointed out that having a feeder team is a great benefit.

anyway, not my words. If GVA didn't win there considering the field that would have been rock bottom Again in a strong field, vuelta, he has been no where to be seen.

so far their is little evidence of rider development, but as you said it is a young team, so we'll see.

But certainly the dutch guys mentioned, which created this little discussion, would probably be better at rabo.

Buta nyway regarding the dutch guys, they would be better of

Greg got third at Clasica which is 1000000 times better competition than this Vuelta. Greg probably peaked too early. I was a bit surprised to see him get over Jaizkibel twice.

 

[greenedge]

L Sanchez at least won a stage of the TDF. It's not as if anyone else from Rabo is winning anything else significant in stage races other than Gesink. Mollema showing form at the Vuelta and Stevo at the Tour of Switzerland are it's only other real success this year. Langeveld's win was epic but he's moving and not a stage race. Boom could have been like Jesse Sergeant and won at least 2 stage races this year as well.

 

[greenedge]

I really don't see what developing young talents have to do with a dream team or super team. And how can they be a graveyard for young talent? GVA is finally winning again, Phinney won a world Tour stage and did a good time trial at the Vuelta. They're not even old enough as a team to be called a graveyard for young talent. Young talents tend to be overrated. Blame the young talent, not the team. Take Goss for example: won MSR and did nothing after that. Is that HTC's fault? No, it's his fault for not taking his sport serious enough.

How can you say Goss has gone bad??? or is overrated? He had an early season planned for him. He won at Paris Nice and then won M-SR. He then rested, won a stage at the ToC and then led Cav out to a green jersey. He also came 2nd on a stage there. He still had to build up experience at GT's. He had then been focusing on the Vuelta to fine-tune before the worlds but had food poisoning.

Other riders have had bad years or injuries and they are not getting blown off at. Goss has deserved none of this especially since he won something. What has happened to Sicard for the 2nd year running???

Also Goss if he can ride the WC is probably going to be Australia's leader. It's no mark of having a bad year if you are team leader at a WC.

 

[bicing]

How can you say Goss has gone bad??? or is overrated? He had an early season planned for him. He won at Paris Nice and then won M-SR. He then rested, won a stage at the ToC and then led Cav out to a green jersey. He also came 2nd on a stage there. He still had to build up experience at GT's. He had then been focusing on the Vuelta to fine-tune before the worlds but had food poisoning.

Other riders have had bad years or injuries and they are not getting blown off at. Goss has deserved none of this especially since he won something. What has happened to Sicard for the 2nd year running???

Also Goss if he can ride the WC is probably going to be Australia's leader. It's no mark of having a bad year if you are team leader at a WC.

Yes, it was cleraly the comment of a dumb asz.

 

[El Pistolero]

How can you say Goss has gone bad??? or is overrated? He had an early season planned for him. He won at Paris Nice and then won M-SR. He then rested, won a stage at the ToC and then led Cav out to a green jersey. He also came 2nd on a stage there. He still had to build up experience at GT's. He had then been focusing on the Vuelta to fine-tune before the worlds but had food poisoning.

Other riders have had bad years or injuries and they are not getting blown off at. Goss has deserved none of this especially since he won something. What has happened to Sicard for the 2nd year running???

Also Goss if he can ride the WC is probably going to be Australia's leader. It's no mark of having a bad year if you are team leader at a WC.

The reason why Goss didn't do nothing after San Remo was because he's a party boy

He didn't train enough, he's fat and lazy. Great talent, not a great mentality however. The fact that you don't even know that says enough. Stop making excuses for him, it's his fault and he knows it. Could have had a lot better season if he trained like Gilbert.

Next season after his first big win he will be nowhere again as he sees that as an excuse to go party Unless he changes of course. Not this year at least.

 

[auscyclefan94]

The reason why Goss didn't do nothing after San Remo was because he's a party boy

He didn't train enough, he's fat and lazy. Great talent, not a great mentality however. The fact that you don't even know that says enough. Stop making excuses for him, it's his fault and he knows it. Could have had a lot better season if he trained like Gilbert.

Next season after his first big win he will be nowhere again as he sees that as an excuse to go party Unless he changes of course. Not this year at least.

Can I ask how you know Goss is lazy?

 

[El Pistolero]

Can I ask how you know Goss is lazy?

HTC insiders have criticized Goss for his partying and lack of training effort. He's very talented and he'll get good results in the future, but he really has to take his job more serious if he wants to become a truly great cyclist.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

HTC insiders have criticized Goss for his partying and lack of training effort. He's very talented and he'll get good results in the future, but he really has to take his job more serious if he wants to become a truly great cyclist.

what does that make tornado tom

 

[El Pistolero]

what does that make tornado tom

Yeah, that's why I put great cyclists instead of giving examples as Tornado Tom was eventually going to be mentioned by someone

 

[greenedge]

what does that make tornado tom

So true. Best riposte ever. Then you shall launch into me.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

nope. I don't mind goss, I even like a fair few riders greenedge have signed. My only issue in regards to them and all other first years team is that they shouldn't get WT. Ohwell...

 

[Panda Claws]

I want to see how good is Gilbert when Valverde returns & Contador gives a serious go to the Ardennes too......

Gilbert was already better in the classics than Valverde in 2010.

 

[Havetts]

Holy thread revival Batman.

 

[hfer07]

BMC may have invested serious money on stars, but the void left on the domestiques/helpers department is enormous, therefore the damage is such to the point that is going to split the team when personal priorities/preferences from the Leaders begin to appear as the season goes on.

 

[taiwan]

Yep signing Hushovd and Gilbert in the same year - two big egos. And then Evans needs sole leadership at the Tour... How do they hack that one out? If Gilbert's in similar or better form than 2011, it could just end up being all about him, srsly. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if he won Roubaix or top tenned at Le Tour.

 

[Panda Claws]

Yep signing Hushovd and Gilbert in the same year - two big egos. And then Evans needs sole leadership at the Tour... How do they hack that one out?

I think Gilbert and Hushovd will work just fine together. After all they appear to be great friends. We will get to see the 2 of them working in together in the Tour o Qatar already.