BMC 2012 - Dream Team

[auscyclefan94]

Well, I'd say he is.

Which talents would you say BMC has developed? To some extent Mathias Frank, but don't tell me you consider guys like Phinney, TOAK etc. "talent developed" by BMC. They've GOT some talents (Phinney, Eijssen, Roe), but that's it.

Liquigas (Sagan, Oss, Kreuziger, Nibali, Viviani etc.)
Lampre (Ulissi, Spilak, Malori, Gavazzi)
Saxo - earlier (Schlecks, Breschel, Fuglsang)
HTC (Goss, Degenkolb, Hagen, Martin, to some extent even Cav)
Rabobank (Gesink, Mollema, Kruijswijk, Boom, Boogerd etc.)

All the teams above have proven they can develop talent.

I'm sure you wouldn't claim Sky has developed any talents yet either? Dowsett might be on the way, and G as well, but hard to say these new-ish teams have got a record of talent developing... And that does include BMC imo.

You are really splitting hairs here. The fact that they have signed many quality young riders means that they are developing riders and continue to look to. Of course they haven't developed any riders because they are a new team to the big stage.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

purchasing young established talents =/= developing riders. Which is what a lot of people are saying acf.

I mean yes it is important for them to continue to develop once they get to the team, But seriously where the examples of riders developing at bmc?

Phinney isn't a product of BMC. He came to bmc already as a massive talent. I understand injuries got in the way, but he showed little progress.

TJVG was a product of rabo cont. team, went to htc and goes to bmc as a very established youngster.

Yannick Eijssen not a product of bmc. Hasn't shown much in year 1 either.
Roe nope, and been pretty quiet. Butler, barton, murphy, beyer who?

Kristoff who BMC fans hyped up for a long time, has been unable to breakout.

Obviously having a good feeder team helps a lot, but I can't see how one could argue BMC have done a good job developing riders. More like making the numbers.

 

[auscyclefan94]

purchasing young established talents =/= developing riders. Which is what a lot of people are saying acf.

I mean yes it is important for them to continue to develop once they get to the team, But seriously where the examples of riders developing at bmc?

Phinney isn't a product of BMC. He came to bmc already as a massive talent. I understand injuries got in the way, but he showed little progress.

TJVG was a product of rabo cont. team, went to htc and goes to bmc as a very established youngster.

Yannick Eijssen not a product of bmc. Hasn't shown much in year 1 either.
Roe nope, and been pretty quiet. Butler, barton, murphy, beyer who?

Kristoff who BMC fans hyped up for a long time, has been unable to breakout.

Obviously having a good feeder team helps a lot, but I can't see how one could argue BMC have done a good job developing riders. More like making the numbers.

Going on your logic, not one team has developed a rider because the feeder team has done it for them or they don't have a feeder team.

 

[theyoungest]

Going on your logic, not one team has developed a rider because the feeder team has done it for them or they don't have a feeder team.

Come on ACF, name me one young rider who has made great progress at BMC. Mathias Frank?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Going on your logic, not one team has developed a rider because the feeder team has done it for them or they don't have a feeder team.

way to miss the point.

Like I said it also is how they develop at the team. Which BMC have done awesome at.
But look at how some of the other teams have brought in youngsters, and the progress they have made.

I also said, well set up feeder teams obviously help, which they do. logic 101.

anyway i will try to explain this to you.

You are shocked that people are saying bmc do a poor job of developing riders.
But the majority of their decent riders where purchased already established. The youngsters with the team, have not shown much progress at all, the ones who did perform already shown great promise elsewhere (Phinney even tho he had a good eneco, was a big talent prior to this year) so why should bmc be credited for this?

let your imagination take a rest, and come back to reality regarding bmc.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Come on ACF, name me one young rider who has made great progress at BMC. Mathias Frank?

Frank, Schar & kohler I would say have progressed a fair bit at BMC.

to be fair they had quite a few average rders to start with.

Saying that BMC aren't develpoping riders is clearly wrong.

Just because they have pedigree or have got results on other teams does ntot mean they don't need developing.

TJVG can and will learn a lot off a guy like Cadel for GT's. Phinney could learn a lot of George and he has penly said that BMC have helped develop him a fair bit as he could get away with relying on talent in his younger years. Roe was on Trek Livestrong but the real development in the big races in a big proteam will be much more to a larger extent than at a U23 or domestic team. Adam Blythe will be joining the team. Sciandri works at BMC as a developing coach to help further these youngsters and one of the main reasons Blythe will be moving to BMC is because of him and his coaching methods. Klaas LODEWYCK, is also listed as moving to BMC. he seems to be a classics rider of the future and will have guys like Thor and George to elarn off. Just because certain riders haven't done much during their first season doesn't mean they aren't going to be good riders.

 

[just some guy]

You almost could argue Evans.

But BMC have some young riders they are working with developing if you will - none of them stars and of the current group riding, only 2 have any real chance imo.

Roe and Eijssen - Roe seems to be learning and not really producing much but give him time.

Eijssen classed as the next Belgium super climber - whatever that means very quite and who knows which way they will go.

Bookwalter has developed into a good dom - no superstar but you need those guys to get better too.

Beyer, Bulter and Barton are better suited to law or the american scene .

But the rider that shows the best promise and it being developed by BMC is Larry Warbasse currently riding - le Tour de l’Avenir with a US under 23 team.

But it is alot of straw grabbing an only teams with under 23 teams connected really develop riders, most buy and now all teams seems to have a coach for the younger guys as well.

But all this BMC super team talk is very funny.

GT next year no wins. Evans is the only threat to win but no win and he will only ride the Tour so he has to lucky and ride better than he did this year so will be a hard ask, Pinotti and TJVG might do well at the Giro and Vuelta top 15 @ Giro and Top 10 @ Vuelta - Spring if they ride as a team will be interesting but QSOP will be Good and Greenedge will go large and hard, the New Radiotreknissianmuppet show will have Fab so will do something - infact spring will be the highlight again .

 

[theyoungest]

Eijssen classed as the next Belgium super climber - whatever that means very quite and who knows which way they will go.

Eijssen got a few good results in the espoirs by escaping on a descent and holding on until the finish, but I think by now it's clear that he's not a great climbing talent. Which is not BMC's fault necessarily.

 

[auscyclefan94]

You almost could argue Evans.

But BMC have some young riders they are working with developing if you will - none of them stars and of the current group riding, only 2 have any real chance imo.

Roe and Eijssen - Roe seems to be learning and not really producing much but give him time.

Eijssen classed as the next Belgium super climber - whatever that means very quite and who knows which way they will go.

Bookwalter has developed into a good dom - no superstar but you need those guys to get better too.

Beyer, Bulter and Barton are better suited to law or the american scene .

But the rider that shows the best promise and it being developed by BMC is Larry Warbasse currently riding - le Tour de l’Avenir with a US under 23 team.

But it is alot of straw grabbing an only teams with under 23 teams connected really develop riders, most buy and now all teams seems to have a coach for the younger guys as well.But all this BMC super team talk is very funny.

GT next year no wins. Evans is the only threat to win but no win and he will only ride the Tour so he has to lucky and ride better than he did this year so will be a hard ask, Pinotti and TJVG might do well at the Giro and Vuelta top 15 @ Giro and Top 10 @ Vuelta - Spring if they ride as a team will be interesting but QSOP will be Good and Greenedge will go large and hard, the New Radiotreknissianmuppet show will have Fab so will do something - infact spring will be the highlight again .

Bingo!!!!! Thank you!!!! Nail meet head.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Eijssen got a few good results in the espoirs by escaping on a descent and holding on until the finish, but I think by now it's clear that he's not a great climbing talent. Which is not BMC's fault necessarily.

He would still have to be half decent to do anything to ghold on.
He's 21, FFS.

 

[dlwssonic]

The part about barton, beyer and butler is rather true. Only Butler has shown the slightest glimpse of promise.
So I guess next year its BMC vs OPQS vs RadioTrek vs Some Kazakh DS in Astana

 

[theyoungest]

He would still have to be half decent to do anything to ghold on.
He's 21, FFS.

He's 22

I see your point, but when a great climbing talent finishes just ahead of the broom wagon in every hilly race he does, I'm not very hopeful for his future.

 

[auscyclefan94]

He's 22

I see your point, but when a great climbing talent finishes just ahead of the broom wagon in every hilly race he does, I'm not very hopeful for his future.

That happens quite a lot when it is your first year.

 

[theyoungest]

That happens quite a lot when it is your first year.

Not if you're a great climbing talent.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Eijssen got a few good results in the espoirs by escaping on a descent and holding on until the finish, but I think by now it's clear that he's not a great climbing talent. Which is not BMC's fault necessarily.

yeah his climbing ability is pretty overrated.

as for the it's their first year, most good climbers shine straight away. Or at least show signs.

 

[El Pistolero]

yeah his climbing ability is pretty overrated.

as for the it's their first year, most good climbers shine straight away. Or at least show signs.

Not really.

Not everyone is going to be like Sagan and win when they're 21 to be completely burned out at age 26

 

[auscyclefan94]

Timmy and theyoungest have both admitted they hate BMC so you can't really look for them for a rational opinion about BMC. They have the cheek to tell me to stop being biased towards BMC. lol.

 

[theyoungest]

Timmy and theyoungest have both admitted they hate BMC so you can't really look for them for a rational opinion about BMC. They have the cheek to tell me to stop being biased towards BMC. lol.

Have I admitted that I hate BMC?

Not really.

Not everyone is going to be like Sagan and win when they're 21 to be completely burned out at age 26

There's a difference between not being quite as good as Sagan and not being good enough to follow the autobus.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Not really.

Not everyone is going to be like Sagan and win when they're 21 to be completely burned out at age 26

who mentioned sagan domination.

look at slagter for an example. He has shown climbing domestique ability. Not winning, but showing he can climb. As youngest pointed out he won often from breakaway. The colombians have shown thier ability in the mountains this year. This is the case with many of the young riders. At Tour de l'Avenir it was the same. And other stages he showed little.

I am not saying this is always the case. But often great climbers show signs quickly. The majority of the best cimbers at the moment all did.

@ACF that might be, but I don't let my personal feelings cloud my judgement. Unlike some.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

They still mis one of the 4 super dutch gc riders

Imagine TGBM at BMC... or Stevo...or Poels...

 

[theyoungest]

They still mis one of the 4 super dutch gc riders

Imagine TGBM at BMC... or Stevo...or Poels...

Please God, no.

 

[greenedge]

I think Evas would try for the Vuelta if he loses the TDF. He can also target the WC maybe as well next year. Schar and Frank are good riders. Where was Bookwalter developed??? ( total ignorance )

 

[auscyclefan94]

Please God, no.

Even better, Robert Gesink getching bottles for Evans at the tour. If one of the dutch prodigees moved to BMC I would laugh so hard.

theyoungest, I thought you had nothing against BMC riders?

 

[theyoungest]

Even better, Robert Gesink getching bottles for Evans at the tour. If one of the dutch prodigees moved to BMC I would laugh so hard.

theyoungest, I thought you had nothing against BMC riders?

No, but BMC is a graveyard for young talent.

 

[dlwssonic]

I wouldn't mind it if we got some dutch rider in BMC, then we could gain the dutch mafia.
We already have the Belgian mafia(led by el pistolero) with riders such as Gilbert, GVA, Lodewyck and Yannick.