BMC 2012 - Dream Team

[El Pistolero]

Was this before or after Greipel left the team bus utterly frustrated that Gilbert wouldn't let him have his chance?

You mean at the stage where Gilbert got second behind only Cavendish?

I rest my case

 

[Panda Claws]

Was this before or after Greipel left the team bus utterly frustrated that Gilbert wouldn't let him have his chance?

Before but here's another example.

He led out Roelandts at GP Montreal, it's a shame Roelandts could not take over though.

http://youtu.be/Cfe7pIg1Lv8?t=12m26s

 

[Havetts]

No clue how you get the feeling Gilbert is a teamplayer lol. Everything he has done this is season is ride for himself, killing Greipel's chances and VDBs stagewin on Stage 4.

 

[El Pistolero]

No clue how you get the feeling Gilbert is a teamplayer lol. Everything he has done this is season is ride for himself, killing Greipel's chances and VDBs stagewin on Stage 4.

He didn't have to ride for anybody. His win ratio speaks for it self. Next year is different, he said so him self. Gilbert was the only leader this year at Lotto.

And VDB2 wouldn't have won that stage

At the races Greipel and Gilbert started together they both got their chances:

Algarve: both won a stage
Tour of Belgium: Gilbert won a stage and the GC, Greipel won 2 stages.
Tour de France: both won a stage. Greipel would have never beaten Cavendish if Gilbert didn't tire him out there.
Eneco Tour: Gilbert won a stage and Greipel won 2 stages.
G-W: Gilbert worked for him at the end, Greipel got third.
T-A: Greipel crashed, so wasn't in good shape
M-SR: see T-A

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Neither will Evans

evans didn't need them either this year but he turned out to be a tour favorite and winner

 

[El Pistolero]

evans didn't need them either this year but he turned out to be a tour favorite and winner

Then we agree, Evans' team is fine as it is in this extremely mountainous Tour()

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

radioshack will have to make the race hard and they have the team. the others will defend unless coldeportes is invited

 

[El Pistolero]

radioshack will have to make the race hard and they have the team. the others will defend unless coldeportes is invited

What kind of climbers will they have in their team? They won't be invited for the Tour by the way, but the Giro probably will(they said something about selecting foreign teams for wild cards).

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

What kind of climbers will they have in their team? They won't be invited for the Tour by the way, but the Giro probably will(they said something about selecting foreign teams for wild cards).

saur or coldeportes. I wouldn't bet 100% on saur for sure. aso were very unhappy with them

they have duarte, suarez, atapuma, chalapud, javier gonzalez and wilson marentes as highest rated climbers/stage racers I would say

 

[El Pistolero]

I'd rather see them in the Giro though with Rujano. South Americans vs Italians. Could become interesting.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'd rather see them in the Giro though with Rujano. South Americans vs Italians. Could become interesting.

I think vuelta colombia is in june next year which would be perfect to do tour after that they would be in great shape I think.

 

[will10]

Will Coldeportes be allowed to ride Vuelta Colombia when they are Pro Continental? Or will the riders ride for the domestic teams?

 

[just some guy]

He didn't have to ride for anybody. His win ratio speaks for it self. Next year is different, he said so him self. Gilbert was the only leader this year at Lotto.

And VDB2 wouldn't have won that stage

At the races Greipel and Gilbert started together they both got their chances:

Algarve: both won a stage
Tour of Belgium: Gilbert won a stage and the GC, Greipel won 2 stages.
Tour de France: both won a stage. Greipel would have never beaten Cavendish if Gilbert didn't tire him out there.
Eneco Tour: Gilbert won a stage and Greipel won 2 stages.
G-W: Gilbert worked for him at the end, Greipel got third.
T-A: Greipel crashed, so wasn't in good shape
M-SR: see T-A

And that's the difference - Evans and Phil have had their bust ups with Phil bad mouthing Evans at FW the year Kim won. But after Evans won the WC he set Phil up on a winning streak that has not stopped - Phil knows this and will want help in the classics and will pay it back at the Tour.

 

[hfer07]

Firstly, Pinotti will be a domestique but he has proven in the past that he can ride for his own goals as well. Pinotti is not doing the Tour. Secondly, Tejay is doing the Tour and has said that he has no interest in the Vuelta. All those guys rode the classics or rode hard for results during the season this year and were perfectly good domestiques in July. Your points do not hold up at all.

I never said Pinotti would do the Tour & I stated those two are available to do Giro & Vuelta-doesn't matter if TVG decides not to go to Spain afterwards.
on topic: you're missing the point here-because those new riders had different circumstances in their former teams-right now they have to deal with 3 leaders with different demands & each one defending their own individual interests-so for you to say they've done this before is false. the reason I'm questioning the strength of the team is because of what is going to be available to Evans at the Tour-which BTW worries me in a good way since I think he(Cadel) has a good chance in 2012-but you keep saying they'll be cool by July-and that's naive-look once more at the names I highlighted in red & you realized those guys have already had a tough season between the classics & the other races prior to July.

 

[El Pistolero]

I never said Pinotti would do the Tour & I stated those two are available to do Giro & Vuelta-doesn't matter if TVG decides not to go to Spain afterwards.
on topic: you're missing the point here-because those new riders had different circumstances in their former teams-right now they have to deal with 3 leaders with different demands & each one looking for their own individual interests-so for you to say they've done this before is false. the reason I'm questioning the strength of the team is because of what is going to be available to Evans at the Tour-which BTW worries me in a good way since I think he(Cadel) has a good chance in 2012-but you keep saying they'll be cool by July-and that's naive-look once more at the names I highlighted in red & you realized those guys have already had a tough season between the classics & the other races prior to July.

That's because not everything is about the Tour Not every team is like Radiotard. That's what you're basically asking for: 17 clones of the most boring WT team.

I wouldn't underestimate Gilbert as a domestique at the Tour.

 

[will10]

Someone please tell me how Thor and Cadel's interests clash at the Tour? Any stages that Thor targets will be unimportant with regards to GC.

 

[El Pistolero]

Someone please tell me how Thor and Cadel's interests clash at the Tour? Any stages that Thor targets will be unimportant with regards to GC.

Apparently they think BMC will chase the breakaway on flat stages and give Thor a leadout.

He'll just do his thing like Freire in the harder finishes of the Tour and go in a break sometimes(which doesn't harm Cadel Evans).

 

[Panda Claws]

Someone please tell me how Thor and Cadel's interests clash at the Tour? Any stages that Thor targets will be unimportant with regards to GC.

Exactly. I do not see how Thor winning stages in breakaways or in hard finishes would harm Evans because Thor is getting the win on his own. Thor could also be a great domestique on the flat. The only domestique that he might take away is Gilbert who might decide to lead him out or something on a stage. (They are good friends.)

Gilbert will aim for the first stage and if he is as good as 2011 then he will take that one with ease. Afterwards he will be happy with working for Evans. Even if he does not win that stage and he might go stage hunting then he will still be doing that on his own, perhaps in an uphill sprint or something. I also think that Gilbert might just be one of the very best domestiques on hilly terrain that there is.

 

[The Hitch]

Any stages that Thor targets will be unimportant with regards to GC.

Thor won the most important gc stage last year.

 

[Havetts]

Thor won the most important gc stage last year.

Not the Andy Schleck cracked there thing again?

 

[The Hitch]

Not the Andy Schleck cracked there thing again?

It was the 1 stage where the gc men came in in groups. All the others you had maybe 1 or 2 ahead of the pack and then everyone else in together.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Not the Andy Schleck cracked there thing again?

didn`t he?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

1) He was never going to win that stage
2) He made a mistake and already admitted that quite some time ago
3) VDB2 never said what he was planning to do. Gilbert thought he was leading him out.
4) Some people actually learn from their mistakes. Phil is one of them.

lol, go pray to your gilbert shrine already. Giving acf a run for his money in fanby blindness.

and lol @ the GVA comparison. Obviously different situations.
One has direct ambition in Gilbert's field (classics etc) whereas Evans is going for GC. Gilbert isn't gonna come out and be like "hai, screw evans I'm racing for myself". Your posts are niave.

Someone please tell me how Thor and Cadel's interests clash at the Tour? Any stages that Thor targets will be unimportant with regards to GC.

tell that to evans, he is the one that wants the whole team for himself at the tour.

Not to mention the most decisive stages this tour basically came frim such stages... t'was a crash fest.

 

[El Pistolero]

Seems like that's the only way you discuss things here is by calling people who don't agree with you a fanboy.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Seems like that's the only way you discuss things here is by calling people who don't agree with you a fanboy.

well I did start the argument like that yes, but I clearly wasn't wrong.

Yet I still managed to elaborate.