Bomb in Oslo

[gregod]

Drop it. Now.

You wish to talk about the politics of the attack save it, or do it in the politics thread.

Next person to make a trolling remark of any kind in this thread is on vacation from posting for a while.

it seems to me discussing the politics of the attack would be relevant to this thread and should be allowed. however, the offensive and offending posts are attacking a person who has nothing to do with this thread. that is what is out of bounds, no?

 

[markene2]

I am 20 mins outside of Oslo now, and yesterday was terrible...

 

[rhubroma]

If it is right-wing terrorism, then it sounds like the Piazza Fontana bomb strike by Italian neo-fascists at Milan in 1980.

If that really is the case, then the assassination of children is merely a demonstration of a sinister cruelty and heinous barbarism which their ideology and lack of moral character has produced.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yeah. Who the hell even cares who or what was behind it? People have died!

First I read that 11 people have died. That is too many. This, more than 80, is just Way too ****ing many!
Mind you, one person is one person too many!

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

it seems to me discussing the politics of the attack would be relevant to this thread and should be allowed. however, the offensive and offending posts are attacking a person who has nothing to do with this thread. that is what is out of bounds, no?

Yes, as RedHeadDane said, people have died. This is not the time to go about baiting and insulting each other.

Any political commentary should be in the analysis of the actions themselves, and whatever justice may result. That would be considered reasonable. What redtreviso posted, not once but twice, was accusatory and way out of line, motivated by a disagreements beyond the scope of this tragedy.

I'm happy to answer any other questions anyone has, but it should be common sense to understand this is a very tragic event, and with that is for many a sensitive issue. Respect and due diligence should be taken accordingly.

 

[gregod]

Yes, as RedHeadDane said, people have died. This is not the time to go about baiting and insulting each other.

baiting and insulting are not political discussion and rarely, if ever, have any place in any discourse.

Any political commentary should be in the analysis of the actions themselves,

agreed 100%.

What redtreviso posted, not once but twice, was accusatory and way out of line, motivated by a disagreements beyond the scope of this tragedy.
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i hope it didn't come across that i was defending what he said. in my mind his posts were not political speech.

 

[rhubroma]

Even yesterday a Norwegian policeman remarked: "We are unarmed and I hope they don't ever constrain us to arm ourselves."

The contrast between the advanced civility expressed in those words, set against yesterday's utter barbarism, whoever the perpetrator may have been, only serves to reinforce that we live in a chaotic world desperately in need of order. Though the people who would like to establish such a new order find that they can arrest the inexorable march of history through simply killing those they believe to have been guilty of its despised course, at the expense of civilization, and against all reason.

This, to me, perfectly sums up a tragedy, which, unlike the human one that only has long term effects upon those who knew one of the victims (and is the greatest possible injustice and crime against the innocent), the new barbarism inflicts upon the civil and the civilizing.

This also explains why the prescient force of the greatest expressionist work still has an uncanny vitality and validity in these times: Skrik. For it is a scream against the new barbarism that modernity has produced. It matters little, in this sense, that it happens to be by a Norwegian artist, or that yesterday's tragedy took place at Oslo. Because it is a universal scream, which has been heard throughout the globe.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

Excellent post, rhubroma.

 

[Sem Travões]

Madness pure madness

My hear goes to the families of the dead ones, those are the ones who are really suffering, hoping also the injured recovery fast.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Excellent post, rhubroma.

Agreed. Dear God, is there no end to the horror that man can perpetrate against his fellow man? Apparently not.

Sincere, heartfelt condolences to all Norwegians.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

The bombing was bad enough but I quite literally cannot think of someone shooting down those youngsters in cold blood.........

Susan

 

[RedheadDane]

The bombing was bad enough but I quite literally cannot think of someone shooting down those youngsters in cold blood.........

Susan

Me neither.

 

[craig1985]

Thoughts to the friends and families of those killed

 

[The Hitch]

Dont know if this has been mentioned but on the UN Human development index, Norway is listed as number 1, ie it is ,the best country in the world to live, taking into account factors such as living standards, safety, public services etc.

It has the second highest GDP per capita behind Luxemburg.

Oslo is often listed as one of the best cities on the planet to live.

So one cries a bit for the fate of mankind, when even this country, can somehow produce a nut that decides to go through with systematic massacre.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Oslo has one of the lowest crime rates in the world...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

You'd barely see a security officer around. Very quiet, friendly city. Felt very safe.

 

[gregod]

does anybody know what this particular right wing christian was so upset about that he decided to take it upon himself to end the lives of so many innocent people?

 

[rhubroma]

Among the most dangerous features of modernity that have sprang forth among some of the protestant societies, and out of the US in particular, is the influence of beliefs deriving from Christian fundamentalism.

We often, in the West, talk about the dire threat and our abhorrence of Islam-fascism, without considering much the horror that exists among us.

Absolutely inane and maddening.

 

[ChrisE]

Among the most dangerous features of modernity that have sprang forth among some of the protestant societies, and out of the US in particular, is the influence of beliefs deriving from Christian fundamentalism.

We often, in the West, talk about the dire threat and our abhorrence of Islam-fascism, without considering much the horror that exists among us.

Absolutely inane and maddening.

I am an equal-opportunity critic of religious nuts. They come in all shapes and creeds, and there will always be nuts in every group.

If you wish to compare modern attrocities statistically of the various religions and the violence committed in the name of each, then maybe you can be taken more seriously.

 

[gregod]

Among the most dangerous features of modernity that have sprang forth among some of the protestant societies, and out of the US in particular, is the influence of beliefs deriving from Christian fundamentalism.

We often, in the West, talk about the dire threat and our abhorrence of Islam-fascism, without considering much the horror that exists among us.

Absolutely inane and maddening.

fundamentalism of any stripe, whether religious, political or whatever, is immune from rational discourse as no amount of reality can penetrate their beliefs.

while there are fundamentalist islamists in the world, do not confuse that with "islamo-fascism". which is just some made up bull puckey to scare white americans into fighting wars overseas, using the poor and unemployed, financed through debt, for the profit of defense contractors.

 

[Cerberus]

does anybody know what this particular right wing christian was so upset about that he decided to take it upon himself to end the lives of so many innocent people?

Emigration and multiculturalism.

 

[gregod]

Emigration and multiculturalism.

what is it about these two things that scares white people so much? are brown faces and accents that scary?

 

[Cerberus]

what is it about these two things that scares white people so much? are brown faces and accents that scary?

I'd appreciate if you didn't generalize from one lunatic terrorist to all white people.

ETA: Not sure if you actually mean that the way it sound to me.

 

[gregod]

I'd appreciate if you didn't generalize from one lunatic terrorist to all white people.

i quite clearly did not say all white people. i said, "white people"; meaning in general white people more often get their panties in a bunch over these issues than others.

 

[rhubroma]

I am an equal-opportunity critic of religious nuts. They come in all shapes and creeds, and there will always be nuts in every group.

If you wish to compare modern attrocities statistically of the various religions and the violence committed in the name of each, then maybe you can be taken more seriously.

If your equal opportunity drivel weren't smacked with the subjectivity that comes with the apologist, then maybe you can be taken more seriously.