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[ILovecycling]

Bleacher Report nails it.

Floyd Mayweather Would Confirm His Shortcomings by Choosing Cotto over Pacquiao.

Mayweather will fight him,but after his ppv numbers will drop.(this fall,next year?)He thinks he can fight anyone else for at least half of the interest.But if he fights cottto I doubt ppv numbers will be bigger than 1M,so I expect renewing negotations with Pac

 

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Holy Moly, it looks as if the fight really is going to happen.

All major points have been agreed to, according to sources close to the negotiations. The remaining issues concern network involvement. Mayweather has an exclusive agreement with Showtime, while Pacquiao is tied to HBO. Sources at both networks have said they won't stand in the way of what will be the richest fight in boxing history.

Speculation is that the fight might even be announced at the SB. However, the situation appears to be complicated:

Moonves and Showtime seem to have the far stronger position. They have the bigger attraction – Pacquiao has agreed to a 60-40 purse split that favors Mayweather, and Koncz admitted to Yahoo Sports that Mayweather is the so-called 'A' side – and so it's going to be Showtime that's in position to make demands.

If HBO doesn't bend to the wishes of Mayweather and Showtime and essentially blocks the show from occurring, it's going to severely cripple its ability to work in the boxing space.

And HBO now has to deal with a new PBC venture to bring boxing back onto network TV. So making this fight has huge implications for the entire industry. Imagine if the PPV model went out the window, and prime matches could be seen on regular TV, as of course they were in the old days.

Anyway, a key factor was that Mayweather and Pacquiao met face-to-face at a Miami Heat game recently. Pacquiao wasn't supposed to be there, but because of the big storm, couldn't leave the area when he was scheduled, so he stayed for the game. Heat coach Eric Spoelstra is of Filipino descent, and Pacquiao knows him. It turns out Mayweather was at the game, and came over to talk to Pac for a few minutes and gave him his cell number. Then they reportedly talked further at Manny's hotel later.

This won't be the fight it would have been five years ago, but as I said before, it's still the best thing out there. It will almost certainly go the distance. Pacquiao has not KOed anyone in five years, and Mayweather is far harder to hit than anyone he has ever faced. Mayweather hasn't KOed anyone in three and a half years, and that was when his opponent temporarily put down his gloves, thinking Floyd would do the same. At this point, I'd predict Floyd in a fairly close but unanimous decision.

The only thing that bothers me about this is that assuming it does happen, both fighters will get credit for facing the best, and the fact that they avoided each other in their primes will be discounted. I blame both for that to some extent, but more so for Floyd, because as the pound-for-pound king throughout most of that period, it was incumbent on him to meet his greatest challenger, not the other way around.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Agree with everything you wrote. I like Floyd 8-4 in rounds, with no knockdowns, and no KO. I do give Manny a puncher's chance, if only because when younger he did have power, and was an excellent counter puncher. Had this fight been 5 years ago, I still probably would have favored Floyd, but given Manny a much better shot.

 

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The fight is on! Officially announced for May 2.

The fight has been widely predicted to take in at least $250 million, breaking all records, and several weeks ago one London sports betting agency put the over/under at $315 million, I think it was.

The final numbers haven't yet been released, but the two sides have reportedly agreed to a 60/40 split,, with Mayweather earning at least $120 million and Pacquiao at least $80 million for the fight

I wish I had the link, but I saw a very long and really interesting comment to a story about these two a week or two ago. The commenter compared Mayweather-Pacquiao to Leonard-Duran, and argued that while Leonard won two of those three fights, Duran was considered better historically, because he never ducked an opponent. The author was making the same point, that even if Pacquiao loses to Mayweather, he could be ranked higher when they retire because he was much more willing to fight anyone who challenged him.

I do think Pacquiao deserves some blame for the delay in this fight. Not just through Arum, which isn't really his fault, but because he refused Olympic-style drug testing five years ago. But as the higher ranked fighter almost continuously through this period, the onus was always more on Floyd to get the fight done. And except for Mayweather, Manny did fight just about anyone who might be a reasonable opponent, including several larger men who had reputations as fighters no one wanted to face.

Anyway, I think the best part is all these people who have been moaning for years that one or the other of these guys has been dodging the other, and assuring everyone that their man would destroy the other, will finally have to shut up. Of course, if it goes the distance, as it almost certainly will, there could be a controversial decision.

Edit: Let the talk begin!

Giving the fans what they want to see is always my main focus. This will be the biggest event in the history of the sport. Boxing fans and sports fans around the world will witness greatness on May 2. I am the best ever, TBE, and this fight will be another opportunity to showcase my skills and do what I do best, which is win. Manny is going to try to do what 47 before him failed to do, but he won't be successful. He will be number 48.

"Floyd should enjoy being the A-side while he can," Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, said. "Because on May 2, Manny is going to put him on his backside."

 

[ILovecycling]

Shiit its happening,wow,best from hype since tysons fight I think


Btw I dont think Duran is better,otoh Pac maybe is.

 

[movingtarget]

I think Martinez and Mayweather would have been a better fight although I would have preferred to see that fight a few years ago after Martinez beat Manny. Manny Pac is clearly not the fighter he was while Mayweather in comparison seems a lot fresher. I think it will be clear points win to Mayweather.

 

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I think Martinez and Mayweather would have been a better fight although I would have preferred to see that fight a few years ago after Martinez beat Manny. Manny Pac is clearly not the fighter he was while Mayweather in comparison seems a lot fresher. I think it will be clear points win to Mayweather.

? Martinez never fought Manny, way too big. Maybe you mean after he beat Pavlik and Williams? I agree Martinez of several years ago vs. Mayweather would have been a great matchup, but not now, Sergio couldn't even beat Cotto. He's basically finished as an elite fighter. It's a shame he didn't become appreciated until he was past 35, and then couldn't get some big fights in the few years that he had left at his level.

Would like to see GGG get in the mix. If Mayweather wins this fight, as I expect he probably will, and he really wants to cement his legacy, he would go up and meet Golovkin at 154. The guy is raw and untested, but is terrifying everyone. If Floyd won that fight, I think that would shut up his critics once and for all.

Interesting comment from Khan. He is just about the only loser as a result of this matchup, because if this fight had not been made, he was in line to fight Manny or possibly Floyd. But he said he didn't mind too much, because he really wanted to see this fight, too. And assuming FM wins, I could see Manny fighting Khan if there is no rematch.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Wats up in Boxing? I think I stopped in 1996 when Hector Macho Camacho fought in LV. What a name. Heck... the most boxing name ever.

Even beats Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard...

Most event names? Thrilla in Manila, ofc... and the monument in Mobutus dictator land: Rumble in the jungle. "Ali, boma ye!" In Zaire, in Zaire...

... those were the times. Lots of shadows. But so glorious, it washes every shade away.

 

[movingtarget]

? Martinez never fought Manny, way too big. Maybe you mean after he beat Pavlik and Williams? I agree Martinez of several years ago vs. Mayweather would have been a great matchup, but not now, Sergio couldn't even beat Cotto. He's basically finished as an elite fighter. It's a shame he didn't become appreciated until he was past 35, and then couldn't get some big fights in the few years that he had left at his level.

Would like to see GGG get in the mix. If Mayweather wins this fight, as I expect he probably will, and he really wants to cement his legacy, he would go up and meet Golovkin at 154. The guy is raw and untested, but is terrifying everyone. If Floyd won that fight, I think that would shut up his critics once and for all.

Interesting comment from Khan. He is just about the only loser as a result of this matchup, because if this fight had not been made, he was in line to fight Manny or possibly Floyd. But he said he didn't mind too much, because he really wanted to see this fight, too. And assuming FM wins, I could see Manny fighting Khan if there is no rematch.

Sorry I meant Marquez but did not realize that Mayweather thrashed him in 2009 and he is too old now anyway. Looks like Mayweather will retire undefeated unless something unexpected happens in his last fight. Not many great fighters retire undefeated. Marciano, I think Gene Tunney did as well. Not sure if Carlos Monzon retired unbeaten as well. Manny Pac has been a great fighter but I think Mayweather will be too slick for him and then Mayweather is supposed to be having one more fight. Shame that this fight did not happen five years ago.

 

[ILovecycling]

? Martinez never fought Manny, way too big. Maybe you mean after he beat Pavlik and Williams? I agree Martinez of several years ago vs. Mayweather would have been a great matchup, but not now, Sergio couldn't even beat Cotto. He's basically finished as an elite fighter. It's a shame he didn't become appreciated until he was past 35, and then couldn't get some big fights in the few years that he had left at his level.

Would like to see GGG get in the mix. If Mayweather wins this fight, as I expect he probably will, and he really wants to cement his legacy, he would go up and meet Golovkin at 154. The guy is raw and untested, but is terrifying everyone. If Floyd won that fight, I think that would shut up his critics once and for all.

Interesting comment from Khan. He is just about the only loser as a result of this matchup, because if this fight had not been made, he was in line to fight Manny or possibly Floyd. But he said he didn't mind too much, because he really wanted to see this fight, too. And assuming FM wins, I could see Manny fighting Khan if there is no rematch.

Very good idea with Golovkin.I think the main problem is Floyd weight.We could see that in Alvarez fight,he is not able to make himself 154 with the same speed and muscles IMO.Otoh it would have been very nice if he would finish his career with Golovkin.
It will probably depend on the upcoming fight.If it will be close,there will be a rematch,thats almost sure.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I wish I had the link, but I saw a very long and really interesting comment to a story about these two a week or two ago. The commenter compared Mayweather-Pacquiao to Leonard-Duran, and argued that while Leonard won two of those three fights, Duran was considered better historically, because he never ducked an opponent.

Hmmm, while I agree that Duran really did fight everyone he could, and others ducked him, I can't really recall Leonard ducking anyone? In fact, when he was coming up people were saying he would be protected, so he responded by taking on Andy Price, who was at the time considered a tricky fighter and tough customer. Here's the result.

The only fighter I can think of that Ray avoided was Marvin Hagler in their prime. But Marvin was a middleweight at the time, and Ray a welter. Ray also had the detached retina for a while that concerned him, and eventually did take Marvin on (though Marvin was obviously at the end of his career, and there's a lot of people who thought Marvin won, like half of everyone who saw it probably). One could argue that Ray avoided giving Hearns a quick rematch, and avoided Aaron Pryor, who was an impressive JW champ and wanted to fight Ray, but that's also when Ray was dealing with the retina issue and had one single fight years. He followed that up by fighting Hagler, Hearns and Duran again. So it's not like he was sandbagging it.

I guess if I were to evaluate it more, I would say that Ray was maybe the most talented fighter I ever saw, very skilled in every area, and a lot more guts than people gave him, and he actively sought out the best fighters in his era. Did he the way Duran did? Probably not. But name a fighter that did? You have to go back to Ali, or even further back, to the 1950's when everyone fought each other several times. It's not that Ray avoided anyone the way Mayweather does, it's because Duran was simply above even that level.

So the analogy is interesting, but I think it sells Ray short, and unfairly so. All of those fighters from that era did their best to take each other on, and did several times. Even Hagler, who was a true MW, when he couldn't get champions from lower weight classes to take him on, in his words, fought "nothing but #1 contenders". Who does that today?

As to the Mayweather-Pac fight, I too am glad it's coming off. And props to Floyd for making it finally happen. My prediction is the same as before. I like Floyd 8 rounds to 4. Maybe 7-5. No knockdowns, no KO. A few good shots. I think Manny had the power and counter punching ability to hurt or even KO Floyd years ago, and would have marked the fight closer then. Now, I don't think so. For Manny to win he's going to have to mix up his styles, pressure Floyd at times, and get him out of his rhythm, and hurt him a little. Can he? One thing in Manny's favor, I'm sure he's more motivated for this fight than any in his life.

Going back to Duran-Leonard 1, experience and motivation turned out to be a bigger factor than people realized. It's now understood that Roberto trained harder for that fight than any other in his career, and used his vast experience to pressure and continually take Ray out of his element. Can Manny do the same? We'll see.

 

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Hmmm, while I agree that Duran really did fight everyone he could, and others ducked him, I can't really recall Leonard ducking anyone? In fact, when he was coming up people were saying he would be protected, so he responded by taking on Andy Price, who was at the time considered a tricky fighter and tough customer. Here's the result.

The only fighter I can think of that Ray avoided was Marvin Hagler in their prime. But Marvin was a middleweight at the time, and Ray a welter. Ray also had the detached retina for a while that concerned him, and eventually did take Marvin on (though Marvin was obviously at the end of his career, and there's a lot of people who thought Marvin won, like half of everyone who saw it probably). One could argue that Ray avoided giving Hearns a quick rematch, and avoided Aaron Pryor, who was an impressive JW champ and wanted to fight Ray, but that's also when Ray was dealing with the retina issue and had one single fight years. He followed that up by fighting Hagler, Hearns and Duran again. So it's not like he was sandbagging it.

I guess if I were to evaluate it more, I would say that Ray was maybe the most talented fighter I ever saw, very skilled in every area, and a lot more guts than people gave him, and he actively sought out the best fighters in his era. Did he the way Duran did? Probably not. But name a fighter that did? You have to go back to Ali, or even further back, to the 1950's when everyone fought each other several times. It's not that Ray avoided anyone the way Mayweather does, it's because Duran was simply above even that level.

So the analogy is interesting, but I think it sells Ray short, and unfairly so. All of those fighters from that era did their best to take each other on, and did several times. Even Hagler, who was a true MW, when he couldn't get champions from lower weight classes to take him on, in his words, fought "nothing but #1 contenders". Who does that today?

As to the Mayweather-Pac fight, I too am glad it's coming off. And props to Floyd for making it finally happen. My prediction is the same as before. I like Floyd 8 rounds to 4. Maybe 7-5. No knockdowns, no KO. A few good shots. I think Manny had the power and counter punching ability to hurt or even KO Floyd years ago, and would have marked the fight closer then. Now, I don't think so. For Manny to win he's going to have to mix up his styles, pressure Floyd at times, and get him out of his rhythm, and hurt him a little. Can he? One thing in Manny's favor, I'm sure he's more motivated for this fight than any in his life.

Going back to Duran-Leonard 1, experience and motivation turned out to be a bigger factor than people realized. It's now understood that Roberto trained harder for that fight than any other in his career, and used his vast experience to pressure and continually take Ray out of his element. Can Manny do the same? We'll see.

Hearns, Hagler were better Middleweights but Leonard was a great Welterweight. Anyone who still thinks Hagler defeated Leonard was not watching properly. It was a clear points win to Leonard even though Hagler was never really hurt. It was Leonard's hand speed that was too much for him.

Leonard convincingly beat Duran twice and Duran won the first fight fairly clearly. Duran was old school, fought dirty but never dodged anyone and had a big heart. He was outclassed by a much bigger Hagler at middleweight but went the distance, he got caned by Hearns and his win over Barkley late in his career was so good but Barkley was not in the class of the other fighters although he was very strong. Leonard's worst two losses were the second fight with Hearns and he got beaten up against Terry Norris late in his career but had a good win over Donny Lalonde in a good fight.

I would rate Duran as a great lightweight and welterweight. Leonard as a great welterweight and a very good middleweight. Both were great to watch. Hagler was a great middleweight. I would not rate Hearns as good as the other three even though he won across many weight divisions and had wins against Leonard and Duran. It was a golden period in boxing in the welterweight/middleweight divisions.

 

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Yeah, I wish I had made a copy of that comment, I?ll never find it again. I don?t necessarily agree with it 100%, but it was very interesting, better than most blogs on boxing. The ducking reference came mostly with regard to Aaron Pryor, and I think he also mentioned Hearns. But I agree that Ray for the most part fought everyone he could, and he was about as complete a package in the ring as you?ll ever see.

But regardless of how you feel about Leonard, the notion that history might look upon Pacquiao more favorably than Floyd is provocative. I guess after Pacquiao, Floyd can say he fought everyone he should have, but for a long period I thought he avoided the most challenging matches. He never fought Margarito, who at one time was considered a terror. He didn?t fight Cotto until after the latter had lost to Margarito and his loaded gloves, then lost to Pacquiao. He didn?t fight Moseley until the latter was far past his prime.

He also stayed away from Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez, larger men who could have fought him at 154. You can?t fight everyone, and just because someone is hot for a year or two doesn?t mean you should drop everything and make a match with him. But Floyd didn?t have great competition at welter, other than Manny, during that period, so that those fights would have had great attraction. I always thought Martinez vs. Mayweather at 154 would have been a terrific match when Maravilla was in his prime.

Pacquiao has fought larger men most of the time since he went up to welter?indeed, even now his natural weight is probably junior welter or 140--including de la Hoya, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Moseley. The one thing you can say against him is that he picked fighters who fit him stylistically, guys who came up to him and mixed it up. But these were generally considered the best in the division other than Floyd, and Manny fought Marquez twice after going up in weight, a counter-puncher who always gives him trouble.

This fight has a lot going for it:

1) best two fighters of their generation ? Pacquiao is not actually rated no. 2 on most P4P lists any more, but he was 1st or 2d for a long time, and is still top 5
2) opposing styles ? classic offense vs. defense (can Floyd play Seattle to Manny?s Denver?)
3) very different personalities ? Floyd is a flamboyant, trash-talking felon. Pacquiao is not the saint the media often make him out to be, but except for income tax problems in the Philippines, he?s never been accused of a crime, and he always speaks respectfully of his opponents

Latest word on the fight is that Mayweather is a 2.5-1 favorite. I?ve also heard the PPV will cost $89.95. Really expect more than $300 million in revenue all told.

Golovkin won his fight easily this weekend, though it took him 11 rounds to stop Murray. He?s 32-0 with 29 KOs. He called out Cotto after the fight, which puts Miguel in a bad position. This is probably the best fight in terms of money let alone opponent that Cotto could get right now, but most observers I think expect GGG would beat him badly. Because of GGG's size, he would be more formidable than probably even peak Pacquiao, and because of his power and aggressiveness, he could do a lot more damage than Mayweather. If the fight happens and GGG wins, the pressure will really mount on Mayweather, if he beats Pacquiao, to fight him. Pacquiao is really too small to fight GGG, and I predict if he loses to Mayweather he?ll fight Khan. If he wins, there will probably be a rematch. Note, however, that there is no rematch clause in this fight.

 

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Yeah, I wish I had made a copy of that comment, I?ll never find it again. I don?t necessarily agree with it 100%, but it was very interesting, better than most blogs on boxing. The ducking reference came mostly with regard to Aaron Pryor, and I think he also mentioned Hearns. But I agree that Ray for the most part fought everyone he could, and he was about as complete a package in the ring as you?ll ever see.

But regardless of how you feel about Leonard, the notion that history might look upon Pacquiao more favorably than Floyd is provocative. I guess after Pacquiao, Floyd can say he fought everyone he should have, but for a long period I thought he avoided the most challenging matches. He never fought Margarito, who at one time was considered a terror. He didn?t fight Cotto until after the latter had lost to Margarito and his loaded gloves, then lost to Pacquiao. He didn?t fight Moseley until the latter was far past his prime.

He also stayed away from Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez, larger men who could have fought him at 154. You can?t fight everyone, and just because someone is hot for a year or two doesn?t mean you should drop everything and make a match with him. But Floyd didn?t have great competition at welter, other than Manny, during that period, so that those fights would have had great attraction. I always thought Martinez vs. Mayweather at 154 would have been a terrific match when Maravilla was in his prime.

Pacquiao has fought larger men most of the time since he went up to welter?indeed, even now his natural weight is probably junior welter or 140--including de la Hoya, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Moseley. The one thing you can say against him is that he picked fighters who fit him stylistically, guys who came up to him and mixed it up. But these were generally considered the best in the division other than Floyd, and Manny fought Marquez twice after going up in weight, a counter-puncher who always gives him trouble.

This fight has a lot going for it:

1) best two fighters of their generation ? Pacquiao is not actually rated no. 2 on most P4P lists any more, but he was 1st or 2d for a long time, and is still top 5
2) opposing styles ? classic offense vs. defense (can Floyd play Seattle to Manny?s Denver?)
3) very different personalities ? Floyd is a flamboyant, trash-talking felon. Pacquiao is not the saint the media often make him out to be, but except for income tax problems in the Philippines, he?s never been accused of a crime, and he always speaks respectfully of his opponents

Latest word on the fight is that Mayweather is a 2.5-1 favorite. I?ve also heard the PPV will cost $89.95. Really expect more than $300 million in revenue all told.

Golovkin won his fight easily this weekend, though it took him 11 rounds to stop Murray. He?s 32-0 with 29 KOs. He called out Cotto after the fight, which puts Miguel in a bad position. This is probably the best fight in terms of money let alone opponent that Cotto could get right now, but most observers I think expect GGG would beat him badly. Because of GGG's size, he would be more formidable than probably even peak Pacquiao, and because of his power and aggressiveness, he could do a lot more damage than Mayweather. If the fight happens and GGG wins, the pressure will really mount on Mayweather, if he beats Pacquiao, to fight him. Pacquiao is really too small to fight GGG, and I predict if he loses to Mayweather he?ll fight Khan. If he wins, there will probably be a rematch. Note, however, that there is no rematch clause in this fight.

I have doubts that Mayweather will fight Golovkin. Too risky for a last fight. Interesting that Mayweather wanted to fight Kostya Tszyu previously and he expected him to beat Hatton. I was stunned when Hatton won. Tszyu's two losses against Phillips and Hatton were out of character and he had off nights but both times after the fights they found he had physical problems. Tszyu had a great right hand and even though Mayweather demolished Hatton, I think a fight with Tszuyu would have been interesting.

 

[ILovecycling]

Just a little tune up to Mayweather vs Pacquiao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiO6-5Qj4Zs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XStLWO0-BLQ

enjoy

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Even more of an egotistical ass than I already knew. Would love to see Manny knock him completely unconscious, and a few teeth into the front row as well.

However, I don't see it. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. I still predict a rather dull, calculating fight, with no knock downs, let alone a KO, and Floyd winning 8 rounds to 4. Maybe 7 to 5.

 

[ILovecycling]

Re:

Even more of an egotistical ass than I already knew. Would love to see Manny knock him completely unconscious, and a few teeth into the front row as well.

However, I don't see it. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. I still predict a rather dull, calculating fight, with no knock downs, let alone a KO, and Floyd winning 8 rounds to 4. Maybe 7 to 5.

No way

But yeah he tries to be more egoistical cuz he is not sure of himself imho,it won't be an easy fight at all.

 

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Incredibly, tickets still have not gone on sale, less than two weeks before the fight. This is unprecedented, and reportedly causing a lot of people to cancel trips to Vegas, because they can’t confirm that they can buy tickets. The rumors are that Al Haymon, Mayweather's manager, is trying to get some of the tickets allotted to Pacquiao's side, for resale. The resale market will be very lucrative. The original price of the tickets ranges from $1500-$7500, depending on where the seats are, but prices are expected to go way up, maybe triple, on resale.

The money breakdown:

Pay-per-view: $270 - $360 million
Ticket sales: $72 million
International broadcasts: $35 million
Closed circuit broadcasts: $12 million
Sponsorships: $12 million
Merchandise: $1 million

Cable companies and satellite providers get 30-40% of the PPV. The fighters will divide the rest, so assuming 30% and 3 million PPV sales ($270 million), that would be about $300 million, $180 million to Floyd, $120 million to Manny, though some of that money goes to their promoters, trainers, etc. With 4 million sales, Floyd get $230 million, Manny about $150 million, There are a handful of baseball players with contracts paying more than $230 million for ten or more years.

In contrast, Kenny Bayless, recently chosen to be the referee for the fight, gets $25,000. I guess that’s pretty good for less than one hour of work, but even chump change doesn’t describe it relative to those hundreds of millions.

Also less than chump change: the revenue between $160-180 million will not be split 60/40, but 51/49 for the winner. So if Manny wins, he get $10.2 million of that instead of the $8 million he gets for every $20 million in the rest of the pot. Kind of strange, because even if he loses, he gets $9.8 million. That aside, I always thought that the money splits that supposedly held up this fight for so long could have been resolved by more of this winner/loser share. Instead of Floyd getting a guaranteed 60%, why shouldn’t his % depend on whether he won? If he’s so confident he will win, why should he care?

This also shows why Manny rejected an offer from Floyd a couple of years ago, in which he would have made a flat $40 million. Though that would have been his biggest take ever in a fight, it still would be far less than half of what he’s expected to get in the current arrangment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/sports/floyd-mayweather-jrand-manny-pacquiao-to-split-fight-payday-60-40.html?ref=sports&smid%3D=tw-nytsports&_r=1

 

[ILovecycling]

Re:

Incredibly, tickets still have not gone on sale, less than two weeks before the fight. This is unprecedented, and reportedly causing a lot of people to cancel trips to Vegas, because they can’t confirm that they can buy tickets. The rumors are that Al Haymon, Mayweather's manager, is trying to get some of the tickets allotted to Pacquiao's side, for resale. The resale market will be very lucrative. The original price of the tickets ranges from $1500-$7500, depending on where the seats are, but prices are expected to go way up, maybe triple, on resale.

The money breakdown:

Pay-per-view: $270 - $360 million
Ticket sales: $72 million
International broadcasts: $35 million
Closed circuit broadcasts: $12 million
Sponsorships: $12 million
Merchandise: $1 million

Cable companies and satellite providers get 30-40% of the PPV. The fighters will divide the rest, so assuming 30% and 3 million PPV sales ($270 million), that would be about $300 million, $180 million to Floyd, $120 million to Manny, though some of that money goes to their promoters, trainers, etc. With 4 million sales, Floyd get $230 million, Manny about $150 million, There are a handful of baseball players with contracts paying more than $230 million for ten or more years.

In contrast, Kenny Bayless, recently chosen to be the referee for the fight, gets $25,000. I guess that’s pretty good for less than one hour of work, but even chump change doesn’t describe it relative to those hundreds of millions.

Also less than chump change: the revenue between $160-180 million will not be split 60/40, but 51/49 for the winner. So if Manny wins, he get $10.2 million of that instead of the $8 million he gets for every $20 million in the rest of the pot. Kind of strange, because even if he loses, he gets $9.8 million. That aside, I always thought that the money splits that supposedly held up this fight for so long could have been resolved by more of this winner/loser share. Instead of Floyd getting a guaranteed 60%, why shouldn’t his % depend on whether he won? If he’s so confident he will win, why should he care?

This also shows why Manny rejected an offer from Floyd a couple of years ago, in which he would have made a flat $40 million. Though that would have been his biggest take ever in a fight, it still would be far less than half of what he’s expected to get in the current arrangment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/sports/floyd-mayweather-jrand-manny-pacquiao-to-split-fight-payday-60-40.html?ref=sports&smid%3D=tw-nytsports&_r=1

Interesting post,thanks.

I thought this fight is more lucrative for Manny than preceding offers but I didnt know why, now I do.
Also Im happy that Bayless will be the referee,(very good imo) otoh I was pi..sed when I saw his small purse for this.25000? cmon

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Re: Re:

But yeah he tries to be more egoistical cuz he is not sure of himself imho,it won't be an easy fight at all.

I didn't say easy. Not at all. I said "calculating". I think the fight is going to disappoint people.

Honestly curious to hear what you see happening ILoveCycling. Same with anyone else who wants to offer a prediction.

If I were Manny I'd come out and fight a pressure fight. Not Marciano bull-like, but constant pressure. Think Alexis Arguello, or like Duran did against Leonard. Manny's fight against Clotty comes to mind, with even more moving forward pressure. But can he do that here? Floyd is quicker, and a much better "slipper" than the "blocker" minded Clotty.

If I were Floyd I'd try to keep the pace of the fight down, and at arm's length, with slow circling. A lot of slip and counter, then move and reset. He could pile up a lot of points this way.

 

[ILovecycling]

Re: Re:

But yeah he tries to be more egoistical cuz he is not sure of himself imho,it won't be an easy fight at all.

I didn't say easy. Not at all. I said "calculating". I think the fight is going to disappoint people.

Honestly curious to hear what you see happening ILoveCycling. Same with anyone else who wants to offer a prediction.

If I were Manny I'd come out and fight a pressure fight. Not Marciano bull-like, but constant pressure. Think Alexis Arguello, or like Duran did against Leonard. Manny's fight against Clotty comes to mind, with even more moving forward pressure. But can he do that here? Floyd is quicker, and a much better "slipper" than the "blocker" minded Clotty.

If I were Floyd I'd try to keep the pace of the fight down, and at arm's length, with slow circling. A lot of slip and counter, then move and reset. He could pile up a lot of points this way.

My view:
Manny will fight with little combinations and than go back (3-4 punches) in order to not to be counterpunched by Floyd's right.He should hold a constant pressure for at least 8 rounds, go full gas and outbox Floyd on points.It will be hard but doable imo.Also he should be freakin quick but it depends on how Floyd's speed will be.Floyd will try to control the fight like always but I dont think it will work, Pacquiao is too fast and has good stamina.
I think Mayweather will win on points 7-5.

Of course there is a second scenario - crazy counterpunching fight in which Manny will go down, but I dont think it will happen.

 

[Food27]

I am also a fan of Vitali klitschko.
(Ukrainian: Vitaliy Volodymyrovych Klychko) is a former WBO, WBC and Ring Magazine World Heavyweight Champion.

 

[movingtarget]

As much as I would like Manny Pac to win I think the mouth from the south will probably prevail. He always finds a way to win even in awkward fights but the tactics from Manny should be interesting. I can't see it not going the distance which means rounds 8-12 could get interesting if it is a close fight. Usually the belt holder gets the close decisions.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I would agree, except neither fighter has knocked anyone out in years. Otherwise, I think you're spot on with Floyd and decisions.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I think it's just a money game for both of them.

Whoever wins, you know there will be a re-match. And then a re-match after that...

They just want to see how stupid, and how much money they can pump out of boxing fans.