British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars including Br

[Libertine Seguros]

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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.

Well, that's very interesting.

After all, the fact that doping was not a criminal offence in Spain at the time was a large part of why it was so difficult to get anything actually achieved with Operación Puerto. And the fact that the authorities were so unwilling and unable to get anything achieved with Operación Puerto was a big reason why Spain has been constantly looked down on for its anti-doping record...

 

[MatParker117]

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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.

Well, that's very interesting.

After all, the fact that doping was not a criminal offence in Spain at the time was a large part of why it was so difficult to get anything actually achieved with Operación Puerto. And the fact that the authorities were so unwilling and unable to get anything achieved with Operación Puerto was a big reason why Spain has been constantly looked down on for its anti-doping record...

UKAD can't do anything without legally obtaining his files, in this situation I believe this can not happen without consent from the athletes which none of them would give and hell I don't blame them.

 

[sniper]

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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.

Well, that's very interesting.

After all, the fact that doping was not a criminal offence in Spain at the time was a large part of why it was so difficult to get anything actually achieved with Operación Puerto. And the fact that the authorities were so unwilling and unable to get anything achieved with Operación Puerto was a big reason why Spain has been constantly looked down on for its anti-doping record...

yes it is interesting

and it's telling that UKAD have never flagged this (well not publicly at least) as a potentially huge problem in their fight against doping.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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This looks big... https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes

lol not at all. look what the first article was I found on this "doctor"?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3354179/Harley-Street-doctor-kept-patient-dark-terminal-cancer.html



I'm sure british top professionalists wanted to see an attention seeking charlatan like this....

 

[Cannibal72]

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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.

Well, that's very interesting.

After all, the fact that doping was not a criminal offence in Spain at the time was a large part of why it was so difficult to get anything actually achieved with Operación Puerto. And the fact that the authorities were so unwilling and unable to get anything achieved with Operación Puerto was a big reason why Spain has been constantly looked down on for its anti-doping record...

yes it is interesting

and it's telling that UKAD have never flagged this (well not publicly at least) as a potentially huge problem in their fight against doping.

I believe UKAD have come out in public against criminalisation, on the grounds it would dissuade whistleblowing.

 

[sniper]

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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.

Well, that's very interesting.

After all, the fact that doping was not a criminal offence in Spain at the time was a large part of why it was so difficult to get anything actually achieved with Operación Puerto. And the fact that the authorities were so unwilling and unable to get anything achieved with Operación Puerto was a big reason why Spain has been constantly looked down on for its anti-doping record...

yes it is interesting

and it's telling that UKAD have never flagged this (well not publicly at least) as a potentially huge problem in their fight against doping.

I believe UKAD have come out in public against criminalisation, on the grounds it would dissuade whistleblowing.

remarkable levels of hypocrisy at play here seeing how they ignored Boner's whistleblower

 

[Red Rick]

Well this seems *** up. The law even more so than the actual case here

 

[samhocking]

Sounds like a typical Harley Street Dr bullsh!tting through his teeth saying he's treated 150 pro athletes in lots of sports to sell prescriptions from his anti-ageing 'clinic' to justify the Sunday times 'wannabe' athlete Olympian paying him £700 for something you can buy off google in 5 minutes for £20.
If the sportsman in the video was actually a professional athlete with the Sunday Times secret filming, then it would mean more, but it just sounds like typical Harley Street sales tactics to the desperate in order to make money selling prescriptions. I doubt this story will go anywhere much.

 

[Vino's Mum]

Yup, the whole thing reminds me of those 'fake sheikh' stings - mostly bs.

The truth is always a watertight defence to any libel action, so why not name names? They can't, and the video ends with: "The Sunday Times has no independent evidence Dr Bonar has treated the sportspeople he has named."

Sure, he's an anti-aging doc, but his Twitter pic is either Photochopped or he has a portrait of his real self in the attic:

Oh, and not a good month for our man... the Medical Practitioners hearing into that Daily Fail story begins 11th April:

http://www.mpts-uk.org/calendar/event_details.aspx?ID=23548300-9ce2-4002-8d24-687939ae4d22

 

[JRanton]

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Not so sure that the whistleblower is JTL anymore. It's been confirmed that the undercover athlete "had previously attracted interest from UKAD testers taking testosterone, human growth hormone and EPO". However, he also mentioned that he would be tested for the Olympics in April, and JTL would not be in the frame for Olympic selection

Hang on. I think there's been some confusion. The undercover athlete isn't the same as the sportsman (whistleblower) who was banned by UKAD for drugs in 2014 and revealed his story to the Times. The undercover athlete was just used by the Sunday Times in late 2015 to get information out of Bonar and has never taken drugs.

EDIT - Reading one of the key extracts on twitter it states that the whistleblower (banned sportsman) had achieved ''some of the best times of his life while taking banned substances''. So that strongly suggests the banned sportsman was an athlete (track?) and therefore not JTL.

 

[samhocking]

Exactly, UKAD had nothing to go on, whistleblower athlete didn't come back with more proof for GMC to take it on. All you have is a Harley Street anti-ageing Dr selling prescriptions to a Sunday Times journalist who's whole story is he wants to make it into the Olympic Trials?
Dr Bonar is simply selling prescriptions as 'therapy' to amateur wanna-be professional athletes, just like he was in the news last year for selling whacko therapies to deaths door cancer patients instead of giving them the correct NHS treatment. The juicy comment is he's treated 150 pro athletes is simply sales speech guys, you must see that? This is Harley Street, this is how it works there! It's prescription sales, not the NHS saving lives.

 

[scunnysi]

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The undercover sportsman isn't a cyclist. He actually says runner in the video below.

Also, the Times article says Tour de France cyclists not British TDF cyclists so it isn't certain that it's British cyclists in this case:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/insight/article1684625.ece?shareToken=5bac0bfb026a8f9a267558fe28414db0

 

[sniper]

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Hang on. I think there's been some confusion. The undercover athlete isn't the same as the sportsman (whistleblower) who was banned by UKAD for drugs in 2014 and revealed his story to the Times. The undercover athlete was just used by the Sunday Times in late 2015 to get information out of Bonar and has never taken drugs.

EDIT - Reading one of the key extracts on twitter it states that the whistleblower (banned sportsman) had achieved ''some of the best times of his life while taking banned substances''. So that strongly suggests the banned sportsman was an athlete (track?) and therefore not JTL.

exactly.

JTL could be the guy who blew Boner's whistle with UKAD.

Obviously JTL was never going to be the undercover guy.

 

[Cannibal72]

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Yup, the whole thing reminds me of those 'fake sheikh' stings - mostly bs.

The truth is always a watertight defence to any libel action so why not name names? They can't, and the video ends with: "The Sunday Times has no independent evidence Dr Bonar has treated the sportspeople he has named."

Sure, he's an anti-aging doc, but his Twitter pic is either Photochopped or he has a portrait of his real self in the attic:

Oh, and not a good month for our man... the Medical Practitioners hearing into that Daily Fail story begins 11th April:

http://www.mpts-uk.org/calendar/event_details.aspx?ID=23548300-9ce2-4002-8d24-687939ae4d22

Um, no. In this country, the truth is not a watertight defence to a libel action, so just...no. The Defamation Act 2013 improved the situation significantly, but it isn't comprehensive and substantial discretion is left to the judges, who are the same judges as those who allowed the floodgates to open in terms of libel tourism.

 

[Franklin]

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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.

Well, that's very interesting.

After all, the fact that doping was not a criminal offence in Spain at the time was a large part of why it was so difficult to get anything actually achieved with Operación Puerto. And the fact that the authorities were so unwilling and unable to get anything achieved with Operación Puerto was a big reason why Spain has been constantly looked down on for its anti-doping record...

DUHHHH

I have been pointing out all the spitting on the Spanish and Italians is hypocrisie at it's best. They do ten times as much as the Northwestern Europeans yet are still seen as crooked.

The real rot is in Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and the UK. We simply refuse to sanction athletes and managers.

I expect nothing to come out of this. Nobody is interested in exposing Brittish athletes. Way too much cash involved.

Heck notice how people like Sam think cycling doctors are not Quacks, even when history teaches us it are allways quacks. But no, Sam is already dismissing this slandering of his heroes. Only Spanish athletes go to a quack doctor. Brittish athletes are much more intelligent and have a higher moral level.

Nothing to see here, walk along.

 

[JRanton]

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The undercover sportsman isn't a cyclist. He actually says runner in the video below.

Also, the Times article says Tour de France cyclists not British TDF cyclists so it isn't certain that it's British cyclists in this case:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/insight/article1684625.ece?shareToken=5bac0bfb026a8f9a267558fe28414db0

The front page states British Tour de France cyclists and there is an extract where Bonar admits to seeing ''quite a few cyclists'', especially for treatment with EPO, and talks about treating cyclists from Britain and abroad with great results: ''They just lead the pack. One guy who did the Tour de France - I mean it was just incredible... especially when you go uphill or when you need more oxygen to get to your muscles. It's amazing.''

Again, the undercover athlete isn't the same as the banned sportsman (who actually also seems to be a runner).

 

[samhocking]

There's no point trying to work any of the athletes out, they won't exist. It's simply an anti-ageing prescription Dr saying he's treated 150 professional athletes to justify his fees in Harley Street. He was exposed in 2015 for misconduct with a cancer patient, so clearly he's having to diversify what prescriptions he's selling in 2016 as I doubt he has much anti-ageing work coming in after last years scandal.

 

[JRanton]

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Hang on. I think there's been some confusion. The undercover athlete isn't the same as the sportsman (whistleblower) who was banned by UKAD for drugs in 2014 and revealed his story to the Times. The undercover athlete was just used by the Sunday Times in late 2015 to get information out of Bonar and has never taken drugs.

EDIT - Reading one of the key extracts on twitter it states that the whistleblower (banned sportsman) had achieved ''some of the best times of his life while taking banned substances''. So that strongly suggests the banned sportsman was an athlete (track?) and therefore not JTL.

exactly.

JTL could be the guy who blew Boner's whistle with UKAD.

Obviously JTL was never going to be the undercover guy.

Yeah, but read my EDIT to that post. The Sunday Times article appears to rule out the banned sportsman being a cyclist by describing him as having achieved ''some of the best times'' of my life while taking banned substances. That suggests a runner doesn't it? The list of athletes (runners) banned by UKAD in 2014 will be very small. Somebody find the list please!

 

[JRanton]

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There's no point trying to work any of the athletes out, they won't exist. It's simply an anti-ageing prescription Dr saying he's treated 150 professional athletes to justify his fees in Harley Street. He was exposed in 2015 for misconduct with a cancer patient, so clearly he's having to diversify what prescriptions he's selling in 2016 as I doubt he has much anti-ageing work coming in after last years scandal.

But what about the sportsman (whistleblower) who has given detailed evidence that he was provided doping products by Dr Bonar?

 

[Vino's Mum]

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Um, no. In this country, the truth is not a watertight defence to a libel action, so just...no.

It is. Where's your LL.B. from, the University of Google?

 

[Franklin]

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There's no point trying to work any of the athletes out, they won't exist.

I want to believe.

But what about the sportsman (whistleblower) who has given detailed evidence that he was provided doping products by Dr Bonar?

Lies. The only explenation as there can't be a Brittish doping scandal of this magnitude. Impossible.

 

[harryh]

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Exactly, UKAD had nothing to go on, whistleblower athlete didn't come back with more proof for GMC to take it on. All you have is a Harley Street anti-ageing Dr selling prescriptions to a Sunday Times journalist who's whole story is he wants to make it into the Olympic Trials?
Dr Bonar is simply selling prescriptions as 'therapy' to amateur wanna-be professional athletes, just like he was in the news last year for selling whacko therapies to deaths door cancer patients instead of giving them the correct NHS treatment. The juicy comment is he's treated 150 pro athletes is simply sales speech guys, you must see that? This is Harley Street, this is how it works there! It's prescription sales, not the NHS saving lives.

I found it quite funny that the first thing this ped "expert" is suggesting is a Nebido shot

 

[samhocking]

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They would need a court order for his records and as doping is not a criminal offence here in the UK, it would likely not be granted and due to confidentiality any testimony from Bonar himself would be inadmissible.

Well, that's very interesting.

After all, the fact that doping was not a criminal offence in Spain at the time was a large part of why it was so difficult to get anything actually achieved with Operación Puerto. And the fact that the authorities were so unwilling and unable to get anything achieved with Operación Puerto was a big reason why Spain has been constantly looked down on for its anti-doping record...

DUHHHH

I have been pointing out all the spitting on the Spanish and Italians is hypocrisie at it's best. They do ten times as much as the Northwestern Europeans yet are still seen as crooked.

The real rot is in Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and the UK. We simply refuse to sanction athletes and managers.

I expect nothing to come out of this. Nobody is interested in exposing Brittish athletes. Way too much cash involved.

Heck notice how people like Sam think cycling doctors are not Quacks, even when history teaches us it are allways quacks. But no, Sam is already dismissing this slandering of his heroes. Only Spanish athletes go to a quack doctor. Brittish athletes are much more intelligent and have a higher moral level.

Nothing to see here, walk along.

It's a Harley Street Dr. You do know how it works in Harley Street?

 

[Bobby G]

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"He went on to describe how he had also visited another London clinic where one of British Sports top doctors had advised him on drugs he might take which mimicked the effects of testosterone but were not yet banned in sport". Sounds very 'Marginal gains'.

 

[Der Effe]

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Hardly a surprise all those Brits are doped up to the max, would be a bigger surprise if they weren't