British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars including Br

[Jaco0505]

https://twitter.com/dimspace/status/716673268107882497
The whistleblower has maybe been found. Name in the comments. Seems to fit pretty good for
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And got a 2 year ban... its not that complicated to look at UKAD sanctions for an athlete in a timed sport, busted in early 2014, given 2 yr
Dave/Dim ‏@dimspace 52 min52 minutter siden
According to the times.. Whistleblower had had some of the best "times" in his life (so timed athlete), visited by testers early 2014...
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[sniper]

Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin

Here is the documentary from Hajo Seppelt about this case:

http://www.sportschau.de/doping/video-auch-premier-league-spieler-unter-dopingverdacht-102.html

An English version should appear there soon

thanks, just watched it, and it's good.

Boner's allegations regarding football are confirmed by a second English doctor who's now working in Spain.

There are also some letters shown of the initial whistleblower.
They leave out his name, and the blanked spot is too short for it to be Tiernan-Locke.

Seppelt was closely involved in all this. He arranged the undercover reporter.
So imo this should put to bed the earlier allegations that Seppelt had an anti-Russia agenda.

In fact, it's crucial, imo, that Seppelt was involved here.
It ensures that the story won't go away that easily.

As for cycling, no names, but Boner explicitly notes that the results of his treatment for one of the british TdF cyclists were staggering.

 

[thehog]

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https://twitter.com/dimspace/status/716673268107882497
The whistleblower has maybe been found. Name in the comments. Seems to fit pretty good for
"""
And got a 2 year ban... its not that complicated to look at UKAD sanctions for an athlete in a timed sport, busted in early 2014, given 2 yr
Dave/Dim ‏@dimspace 52 min52 minutter siden
According to the times.. Whistleblower had had some of the best "times" in his life (so timed athlete), visited by testers early 2014...
"""

It's believed his reduction was due to the CIRC interview. My thought was this athletes claims he got no reduction even after revealing Boner to them. Or perhaps his appear was what brought the 3 month cut.

British cyclist Dan Stevens has been banned from competition for 21 months after failing to supply a sample for an out-of-competition anti-doping test on January 29, 2014.

The suggested ban of two years was shortened to 21 months after Stevens provided information to the Cycling Independent Reform Commission (CIRC) – who investigated doping in professional cycling.

A summary of the case issued by UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) dated September 15 2015 states that Stevens gave “valuable anti-doping information”, and CIRC “therefore recommended that Mr Stevens’ period of ineligibility be reduced to a period of 21 months.”

Subsequently, UKAD issued a decision on August 26 2014 to suspend Stevens for 21 months, but Stevens filed an appeal against the decision on September 15 2014.

During the following appeal process, an agreement was made between Stevens and UKAD that he would accept the 21-month ban, and that all race results would be anulled from January 29 2014. His ban expires on November 1 2015.

 

[sniper]

Ross Tucker on Off the Ball is really really good, as expected.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/133236/Dr._Ross_Tucker_on_the_Sunday_Times_doping_spread

 

[The Hitch]

Was watching the bbc report on this. They concluded with the words "this could be evidence that the range of sports afflicted may be wider than previously thought".

Previously thought by who? Absolute *** idiots?

 

[Remmie123]

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Was watching the bbc report on this. They concluded with the words "this could be evidence that the range of sports afflicted may be wider than previously thought".

Previously thought by who? Absolute **** idiots?

"Toni Minichiello, coach to the Olympic gold medalist Jessica Ennis has viewed the undercover footage, he said "this case shows that Brittish sport has a bigger doping problem than any of us imagined" "

That quote is direct from the TImes article and i believe the part you are talking about? Seems Very strange that the coach of a top top athlete would not be aware of doping at this level.

Just made an account as i appreciate not everyone has access to the TImes article.

 

[sniper]

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Was watching the bbc report on this. They concluded with the words "this could be evidence that the range of sports afflicted may be wider than previously thought".

Previously thought by who? Absolute **** idiots?

Tucker says it's plausible to assume doping in professional sports is more widespread than it ever was before.
There is more money than ever before and the access to a broad range of PEDs is easier than ever before.

I'm happy that cycling is bucking the trend.

Jonathan Vaughters: Believes all evidence points to cycling being much cleaner these days
http://www.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/8408269/jonathan-vaughters-says-blood-and-performance-data-shows-cycling-is-cleaner

 

[The Hitch]

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Was watching the bbc report on this. They concluded with the words "this could be evidence that the range of sports afflicted may be wider than previously thought".

Previously thought by who? Absolute **** idiots?

Tucker says it's plausible to assume doping in professional sports is more widespread than it ever was before.
There is more money than ever before and the access to a broad range of PEDs is easier than ever before.

I'm happy that cycling is bucking the trend.

Jonathan Vaughters: Believes all evidence points to cycling being much cleaner these days
http://www.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/8408269/jonathan-vaughters-says-blood-and-performance-data-shows-cycling-is-cleaner

What year is that from? IIRC, Jonathan Frauders has been making the same claim every year going all the way back to the 90's.

He is right though. The blood and performance data shows that cycling is cleaner.
Apart from when it doesn't. And then its a machine calibration error, or cyclists just having better science.

 

[ray j willings]

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Super easy to get EPO in Britain. Might have Kenyans and Russians training in London from now on?

I'll have some, serious PM me.

 

[noddy69]

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Ross Tucker on Off the Ball is really really good, as expected.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/133236/Dr._Ross_Tucker_on_the_Sunday_Times_doping_spread

Good take on the whole saga, especially on UKAD and not reporting the Doc to the medical council and the effect of that. Whistleblowers dont bother, UKAD have no juristiction over 99% of doctors - made me laugh when thinking about Mr Coes statements on leading the way

Really did sum up the affair well.

 

[arcus]

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Ross Tucker on Off the Ball is really really good, as expected.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/133236/Dr._Ross_Tucker_on_the_Sunday_Times_doping_spread

The discussion about UKADs jurisdiction over the doctor was noteworthy.
Obviously, UKAD can't investigate and discipline a doctor. Only the UK general medical council or the judiciary have these powers, but the failure of UKAD to forward the info on to them, and encourage an investigation, seems lamentable.

 

[sniper]

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Ross Tucker on Off the Ball is really really good, as expected.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/133236/Dr._Ross_Tucker_on_the_Sunday_Times_doping_spread

The discussion about UKADs jurisdiction over the doctor was noteworthy.
Obviously, UKAD can't investigate and discipline a doctor. Only the UK general medical council or the judiciary have these powers, but the failure of UKAD to forward the info on to them, and encourage an investigation, seems lamentable.

imo it's not at all obvious that they can't investigate. Of course they can investigate. USADA could investigate. UKAD can investigate. Simples.
And *if* they couldn't investigate a doping doc, that'd be a huge huge problem which any non-corrupt ADA would have flagged publicly as a major concern and something that undermines their legitimacy.
UKAD never flagged ***.

So "seems lamentable", i nominate that for euphemism of the year.

 

[samhocking]

Wrong, UKAD can't investigate a Dr outside of its jurisdiction. General Medical Council can though.

 

[arcus]

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Ross Tucker on Off the Ball is really really good, as expected.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/133236/Dr._Ross_Tucker_on_the_Sunday_Times_doping_spread

The discussion about UKADs jurisdiction over the doctor was noteworthy.
Obviously, UKAD can't investigate and discipline a doctor. Only the UK general medical council or the judiciary have these powers, but the failure of UKAD to forward the info on to them, and encourage an investigation, seems lamentable.

imo it's not at all obvious that they can't investigate. Of course they can investigate. USADA could investigate. UKAD can investigate. Simples.
And *if* they couldn't investigate a doping doc, that'd be a huge huge problem which any non-corrupt ADA would have flagged publicly as a major concern and something that undermines their legitimacy.
UKAD never flagged ****.

So "seems lamentable", i nominate that for euphemism of the year.

To clarify, I said (and meant) " investigate and discipline".
UKAD can investigate and discipline athletes that signed up to their code of conduct. UKAD might conclude that a physician should be excluded from UK sport based on the findings of such an investigation, but that's the limit of their powers. They can't compel doctors to surrender medical records, nor access information about their prescribing practices or patterns (which is what really matters in this case). Moreover, they have no capacity to discipline physicians for the manner in which they practice medicine. That's the GMCs job.

Honestly, I'm not defending UKAD here, I think they were weak. However, I do get the point about the GMC being the appropriate body to find out what Bonar was really up to. UKADs failure was not reaching out to the GMC.

 

[buckle]

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Ross Tucker on Off the Ball is really really good, as expected.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Off_The_Ball_Highlights/133236/Dr._Ross_Tucker_on_the_Sunday_Times_doping_spread

They didn't pose the question as to how a 38yo Dubliner, 13 years after graduation from medical school, is able to rent office space in the most exclusive piece of real estate in the World? I think this Boner guy is credible with his boasts.

 

[gooner]

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https://twitter.com/dimspace/status/716673268107882497
The whistleblower has maybe been found. Name in the comments. Seems to fit pretty good for
"""
And got a 2 year ban... its not that complicated to look at UKAD sanctions for an athlete in a timed sport, busted in early 2014, given 2 yr
Dave/Dim ‏@dimspace 52 min52 minutter siden
According to the times.. Whistleblower had had some of the best "times" in his life (so timed athlete), visited by testers early 2014...
"""

It's believed his reduction was due to the CIRC interview. My thought was this athletes claims he got no reduction even after revealing Boner to them. Or perhaps his appear was what brought the 3 month cut.

British cyclist Dan Stevens has been banned from competition for 21 months after failing to supply a sample for an out-of-competition anti-doping test on January 29, 2014.

The suggested ban of two years was shortened to 21 months after Stevens provided information to the Cycling Independent Reform Commission (CIRC) – who investigated doping in professional cycling.

A summary of the case issued by UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) dated September 15 2015 states that Stevens gave “valuable anti-doping information”, and CIRC “therefore recommended that Mr Stevens’ period of ineligibility be reduced to a period of 21 months.”

Subsequently, UKAD issued a decision on August 26 2014 to suspend Stevens for 21 months, but Stevens filed an appeal against the decision on September 15 2014.

During the following appeal process, an agreement was made between Stevens and UKAD that he would accept the 21-month ban, and that all race results would be anulled from January 29 2014. His ban expires on November 1 2015.

The Telegraph have named him as the whistleblower.

 

[samhocking]

UKAD has the power only to investigate athletes and entourage (including medics) who are themselves governed by a sport.

Q11 Mr Myhill: Do you know if Mark Bonar is providing the same kind of service to any athletes?
. A11 Sportsperson
: Yes.
. Q12: Mr Myhill: And do you know who those athletes are?
. A12 Sportsperson
: No, I know there is a boxer that he works for, he said that he was working with the
boxer who had had a big fight in Vegas about two years ago, no, less than that, so I don’t know.
. Q13 Mr Myhill: But you don’t know any more details of the boxer?
. A13 Sportsperson
: No, other than he’s a boxer.

 

[Darryl Webster]

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Whisleblower named : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/cyclist-at-centre-of-drug-cheat-claims-against-150-sport-stars/

 

[Cannibal72]

Re: British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars includin

Genuine question: why can't UKAD have banned athletes from associating with Bonar, as they did with Leinders and co. earlier this year? If that's restricted to those working with a team, isn't it utterly toothless?

 

[Darryl Webster]

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Couple of points re this doc.

1. Top athletes will know what substances they want and by going to one " outside " the system they create " plausible deniability " for there teams.
2. Bragging.... Doc,s..doping suppliers ...come in all types of personality.
Back in my day I recall a meet at Herne Hill track in London were I was feeling a bit under the weather. I mentioned this in the changing rooms to the sougnior of a former Brit World Champion.
With no prompting from me he quickly offered me "something that would take all my ( cold) symptoms away and have me "flying".
I refused.

 

[samhocking]

UKAD could have athletes banned from working with Bonar. The problem is, when they asked for evidence from Dan Stevens, he didn't know a single name. This is what they're saying. They can investigate an athlete and a Dr under their jurisdiction. To investigate just a Dr though requires the GMC.

 

[samhocking]

No doubt Bonar knows what he's doing. By essentially being no different than your local GP, he only has to maintain todays twitter statement "I have never prescribed Androgen therapy for the purpose of performance enhancement.. I treat symptomatic men with low Test levels". As long as he maintains this, as a GP he's only answerable to the GMC who have already struck him off anyway. I don't know what the loophole is that allows him to still write prescriptions out, but no doubt it exists as Harley Street is full of them.

 

[Maxiton]

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Whisleblower named : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/cyclist-at-centre-of-drug-cheat-claims-against-150-sport-stars/

I hope the whistle blowing cyclist doesn't meet with an accident.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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No doubt Bonar knows what he's doing. By essentially being no different than your local GP, he only has to maintain todays twitter statement "I have never prescribed Androgen therapy for the purpose of performance enhancement.. I treat symptomatic men with low Test levels". As long as he maintains this, as a GP he's only answerable to the GMC who have already struck him off anyway. I don't know what the loophole is that allows him to still write prescriptions out, but no doubt it exists as Harley Street is full of them.

I can't find a report that will confirm it, but as the disciplinary case against him for giving unconventional treatments to a terminal cancer case without disclosing her prognosis is not yet concluded, is it not likely that he is suspended rather than actually struck off? That would explain why he is not supposed to be practising or prescribing. He has lately been at the "Omniya Mediclinic" on Montpelier Street in Knightsbridge, London (rather than Harley Street) and they have chucked him out over those revelations. I can't discover if he was never entitled to practise in England, but I would have thought that if that were so, the malpractice case would have taken a different form.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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Whisleblower named : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/cyclist-at-centre-of-drug-cheat-claims-against-150-sport-stars/

I hope the whistle blowing cyclist doesn't meet with an accident.

Why would he?