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My goodness. I never intended to say that the EU membership caused high or low unemployment.

I had read an article that mentioned one of the factors or actually said one of the reasons for brexit yes was unemployment in southern EU countries and the perception it dragged the UK down.

How everyone came along to try and put me down is how people get treated for an opinion that is not along the lines of this echo chamber here.
 
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Maybe this will help


Some people might have to concentrate and get over superficial left/right arguments
I usually don't read demo socialist radical publications like this rag that Sunkara started. Plus I have it out for people who are educated at George Washington.
 
I usually don't read demo socialist radical publications like this rag that Sunkara started. Plus I have it out for people who are educated at George Washington.
No one has it out for you, but I think there’s a general sense that you are very much a product of certain echo chambers. To the extent that you would rather caricature and polarize situations rather than discuss their actual details.

Never mind the paranoia.
 
I've spent some time on twitter recently, infiltrating Brexiteer timelines with seemingly supportive tweets, but with a hidden subversive meaning. If you wrap the text in plenty of union jack flag emojis they dont seem to notice.

What has struck me is the rhetorical elision between Brexit and Trump. The rejection of MSM, the blind flag-waving, fetishisation of the military and anachronistic revisionism.

I never really understood that at the heart of Brexit is one big conspiracy theory, and that as you pick away the layers, eventually you arrive at the core idea that the EU is just a German plot to take control of Europe.

It really is that facile.
 
If I understand BoJo's deal correctly, the Irish border problem is solved by having a hard border, but not calling it that.

So will it pass? And if not...?
Yeah, hard border between the mainland and soft border in Ireland as far as I understand, which is exactly what the DUP didn't want when Theresa May suggested it. It'll accelerate support for the SNP and independence in Scotland too.


Hard to tell if it'll pass, but I think it's unlikely. The Tories don't have a majority, Johnson sacked a load of MPs to make their deficit bigger, the DUP are voting against it, Labour are being whipped against it unless there is a second referendum added and the Liberals, SNP, Funny Tinge etc. aren't going to vote for it. He'd need the MPs he sacked and a load of Labour MPs in Brexit constituencies to vote for it. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely.
 
Unbelievable first week of the election. Rees Mogg makes a staggering comment on Grenfell, Bridgen even more staggeringly defends it in the worst of ways, a candidate quits for sexual harassment and they have to apologise/deny/excuse a terribly doctored video. For Labour too, just today there were 2 candidates in anti-Semitism storms. The Lib Dems meanwhile have started on the wrong foot, losing in the polls and not helped by getting ignored by most TV companies for debates, not to mention the really terrible and quite manipulativebar graphs finally getting attention.

Just want to add something about Rees Mogg: whatever he may have meant from his comment, there is no way to spin it positively at all (which explains the leading tories' silence of it). Either, like Bridgen, you argue that Rees Mogg and the Tories are smarter than the average working class person, which really doesn't need to be expanded in any further; or, you are telling people to ignore the fire service and authority, which is very un-conservative but also in this case a demonstration of how out of touch and insular politicians are. The rule makes sense: it's used all over England in high tower blocks and I'm fairly sure in most of the developed world. But the stay put rule relies on one key assumption: that houses are built properly. That fire doors to prevent smoke entering for 30 minutes are present, that sprinklers are functioning, that the building isn't covered in what amounted to pretty much petrol infused kindling. It's as if the Tories have looked at Grenfell and the lesson they've taken from it isnt that housing regs needed to be tighter of that cost cutting due to lack of funds isn't an excuse for ignoring people's safety, but that the Fire Service, the same fire service which, you know, is universally liked, knowledgeable in the field and save people's lives daily, are in the wrong. Says it all really.
 
Can't believe this thread has been silent for more than a month. Labor (sorry, that's how Americans spell it) has its worst showing since before WWII, and no discussion of what it needs to do? Is there going to be a no deal Brexit? Will Scotland declare its independence? What will N Ireland do?
 
Can't believe this thread has been silent for more than a month. Labor (sorry, that's how Americans spell it) has its worst showing since before WWII, and no discussion of what it needs to do? Is there going to be a no deal Brexit? Will Scotland declare its independence? What will N Ireland do?
Well theres a lot of analysis going on.

In short, the Conservatives didnt win the election, Labour lost it. Cons gained only 300k votes. Labour lost 2.5 million.

Sure, Corbyn unpopular amongst voters, but In some ways election was re-run of Brexit vote.

Leave are claiming election gives them a final definite mandate, but it doesnt majority of votes went to Remain parties. If it had been a referendum, Remsin would have won. But it was a GE and remain vote was split 4 ways (at least). BXP stood down, so Leavd vote centred on conservatives.

FPTP voting system means cons got 44% of vote, but 54% of seats.

Print media did usual job of smearing Labour, very successfully. BBC was unquestionably reporting Cons in positive terms, and Labour negatively.

Con strategy was to lie, lie, lie, and then evade all proper scrutiny. Factcheck site reported 88% of Cons. facebook adds as misleading. Labour 0%.

Really really bad omen for future of UK politics, in terms of how Cons conducted themselves and how they will behave now, but also lack of actual opposition for the time being towards a government with large majority.

Scotland agitating for 2nd indyref (which will happen). In NI for the first time ever the Republicans hold majority of seats. Irish sea border means Unionists have been shafted right up the sh1tpipe by Johnson.

Johnson pledging that there will be new transition extension which means either he is lying (as usual) or he will have to accept what EU gives him, and so-called Brexit will leave us in single market...in which case main opposition to government will come from within it's own ranks.

Johnson and Tories are smugly triumphant now, but chickens will come home to roost next year. It's going to be fun
 
The slogan for Vote Leave 3 years ago was "Take back control". Loads of talk about taking back control from unelected bureaucrats.

Last friday Conservative MP lost his seat. Voted out of government by his constituency.

This week Johnson anointed him as a Lord. This means he now sits in the House of Lords, forever, and has his ministerial job back. Even though he was voted out. He is now completely unaccountable.

Take back control.
 
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Sorry - I'm new to this forum but this is the biggest load of tosh I've heard since the Labour manifesto. Indeed, it can only come from the same place ie North London.
 
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