British politics

[sienna]

It seems that that the UK needs Europe more than the other way round. It wouldn't surprise me if the Euros give them SFA.

 

[Robert5091]

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Apparently, it is hard to keep a contextual through line from post to post. Easier just to stretch the jaws. Many seem to struggle with it. One can have compassion for the individuals on the ground without negating the historical reality.

Precariat is the more current term but I think UK regs and the deteriorating social net make the term less applicable to Brit citizens than elsewhere in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precariat

The term is a portmanteau obtained by merging precarious with proletariat.

From what I've read and heard, that sounds about right. "McJob", "Zero-hour contracts" "gig economy" etc.

 

[aphronesis]

Yeah. Here’s some breezy fun.

http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/liberalism-after-brexit/

 

[macbindle]

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Yeah. Here’s some breezy fun.

http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/liberalism-after-brexit/

That cheered me up.

Great piece. He omitted the motivation behind one small group of politicians who got on board the Brexit bus...the sheer opportunists who recognised it as a vehicle which might drive them into a leadership position. Remember Johnson's self-indulgent crisis of conscience and "soul-searching" over whether to put his name behind Leave or Remain? :lol:

What guts me the most is that we are now told by the cheerleaders of Brexit and by those that voted for it that Brexit voters knew all along what they were voting for, regardless of the fact that terms like "soft Brexit", "hard Brexit", "No Deal Brexit", "Irish border", were never mentioned prior to the result being announced, and regardless of the fact that the real intentions behind people like Cummings political projects have never been either fully exposed to or understood by the thick f'king twats that voted for it.

You can still see the mentality upthread. Show 'em a Spitfire flying over the cliffs of Dover and they'll believe anything you tell them, too dim to question whose interests they are actually furthering when they are 'patriotic' and 'stand up for 'Britain'. Its like the First World War never happened.

 

[rick james]

Michael Gove might be a slippery pr!ck of a man but he nails Corybn here, great speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-amendments-tory-labour-leaders-a8734346.html

We have a government that can’t govern and an opposition that can barely oppose. In 38 years as a Westminster journalist, I can’t recall a time when both main party leaderships performed so badly at the same time. Normally, there’s a see-saw effect; one side benefits from the misfortunes of the other. Now it’s stuck in the middle.

This week showed how Brexit has turned politics upside down. May suffered the biggest Commons defeat in history on her signature policy but the question of her resigning was hardly mentioned. Her party can’t remove her because her MPs tried and failed last month; they can’t have another go for 12 months.

Normal cabinet discipline has collapsed. May doesn’t dare talk about her Plan B with ministers for fear it would immediately leak. Both May and Corbyn put off the crunch decisions and are not honest with voters about Brexit, putting their own survival first as they dodge the bullets from their own deeply divided parties.

Not a optimistic view of where Brexit is heading.

 

[macbindle]

Michael Gove might be a slippery pr!ck of a man but he nails Corybn here, great speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

Does he? Really? Or is it just the same old tired tropes.

 

[ferryman]

I'm pretty much all in with MacB's take on Brexit. I'l just add, thank goodness the Scots had enough sense to vote remain, and I'm sure the Scots will have enough sense to vote leave GB and get back in to the EU very soon. Leave little England behind to chase its own wee tail....

 

[Brullnux]

Michael Gove might be a slippery pr!ck of a man but he nails Corybn here, great speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

It was delivered eloquently and with some good rhetorical devices (although, I remember being taught in year 10 english language lessons before mr. gove changed the syllabus...), but was lacking in substance. Just the same old attacks on Corbyn that have been used in tabloids ad nauseam: russian spy, anti-war, out-of-context quote on how having no armies is desirable (something which I cannot believe people disagree with), a mention of nuclear disarmament (not even a labour policy), friends with hamas/hezbollah, anti-semite. Only new attack was the misogyny on twitter from some labour supporters. It was just said with some passion and verve, which is different from normal I guess, and with RADA-esque elocution (very blair-y).

Interestingly, the whole speech was based off Gove attacking Watson for not mentioning Corbyn in his speech supporting a vote of no confidence on the incumbent government, and yet in his speech he mentions May, what, twice? And focuses solely on Corbyn, after some generic quotes on the success of this govt, which can be easily countered. Shows plenty that Gove's best defence of an administration he is part of is: 'look at him! look how terrible he is!'

 

[macbindle]

A pretty fair summary. A distraction effort, and a future leadership punt. As politicians go Gove is particularly oleaginous.

 

[aphronesis]

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/j5zw98/london-rental-opportunity-of-the-week-a-kitchen-with-a-bunkbed-in-cricklewood

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/59xmpz/london-rental-opportunity-week-ladder-bet-kensington

 

[macbindle]

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https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/j5zw98/london-rental-opportunity-of-the-week-a-kitchen-with-a-bunkbed-in-cricklewood

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/59xmpz/london-rental-opportunity-week-ladder-bet-kensington

Have a quick read of this:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2019/01/why-falling-house-prices-aren-t-cure-uk-s-broken-economic-model

 

[python]

this author opines on ....

How Theresa May’s Brexit Deal Can Still Happen
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-theresa-may%E2%80%99s-brexit-deal-can-still-happen-41967

 

[aphronesis]

Re: Re:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/j5zw98/london-rental-opportunity-of-the-week-a-kitchen-with-a-bunkbed-in-cricklewood

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/59xmpz/london-rental-opportunity-week-ladder-bet-kensington

Have a quick read of this:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2019/01/why-falling-house-prices-aren-t-cure-uk-s-broken-economic-model

Yeah, I’ve seen iterations of this.

 

[macbindle]

Re:

this author opines on ....

How Theresa May’s Brexit Deal Can Still Happen
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-theresa-may%E2%80%99s-brexit-deal-can-still-happen-41967

It can. And so can a 'No deal'.

This is worth a read:


We can’t leave a no-deal decision in the hands of wiped-out Theresa May

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/21/no-deal-brexit-wiped-out-theresa-may?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

...written by the person responsible for bringing about the parliamentary vote on the deal.

 

[King Boonen]

Michael Gove might be a slippery pr!ck of a man but he nails Corybn here, great speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

Michael Gove, a man with a voting record where he has consistently voted against promoting equal human rights (including voting against making it illegal to discriminate against people based on their caste), more intrusion into people's privacy and for/the continuation of military action in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya (All of which have been direct causes of terrorism in the UK) should not be trying to lecture anyone on morality or defence.

Add in that he voted against the right to remain for EU nationals already in the UK, against raising welfare budgets and spending to create guaranteed jobs for young people, against raising the tax rate for people who earn over £150,000, against bankers bonus taxes and against higher taxes on banks, for more restriction on trade unions, to reduce capital gains tax and corporation tax, against measure to prevent climate change and to sell off the national forests and it becomes very obvious where his motivations lie.

 

[macbindle]

He sees Brexit as an opportunity for a de-regulated economy and a shrinkage of government...which amongst other things would hasten the environmental and social demise of the country.

It doesn't help that he reassembles an evil ventriloquist dummy, nor that his 'Et tu brute!' moment during Johnson's post-referendum leadership punt revealed his sheer venality.

 

[Avoriaz]

Michael Gove might be a slippery pr!ck of a man but he nails Corybn here, great speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

Michael Gove, a man with a voting record where he has consistently voted against promoting equal human rights (including voting against making it illegal to discriminate against people based on their caste), more intrusion into people's privacy and for/the continuation of military action in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya (All of which have been direct causes of terrorism in the UK) should not be trying to lecture anyone on morality or defence.

Add in that he voted against the right to remain for EU nationals already in the UK, against raising welfare budgets and spending to create guaranteed jobs for young people, against raising the tax rate for people who earn over £150,000, against bankers bonus taxes and against higher taxes on banks, for more restriction on trade unions, to reduce capital gains tax and corporation tax, against measure to prevent climate change and to sell off the national forests and it becomes very obvious where his motivations lie.

You missed out that he found himself important enough to write a foreword to the Bible to be sent to all schools when he was Education Sec

 

[macbindle]

:lol: :lol:

I hadn't heard that one!

To quote Stewart Lee, Gove even had to out-do David Cameron (when it emerged that Cameron had inserted his penis into a dead pig's head) by doing something even more disgusting and sticking his penis into a Daily Mail** journalist*





*Gove is married to DM journalist Sarah Vine.
**For the unacquainted, the Daily Mail serves as an adjectival synonym for 'excrable'

 

[macbindle]

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I'm pretty much all in with MacB's take on Brexit. I'l just add, thank goodness the Scots had enough sense to vote remain, and I'm sure the Scots will have enough sense to vote leave GB and get back in to the EU very soon. Leave little England behind to chase its own wee tail....

If money is not everything, then the Scots should pull the plug on the Union just as soon as they can muster another vote. If money is everything then the Scots should still pull the plug because Brexit.

If Brexit goes ahead we'll all be living in a Jacob Rees-mogg wet dream.

 

[del1962]

Michael Gove might be a slippery pr!ck of a man but he nails Corybn here, great speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

Michael Gove, a man with a voting record where he has consistently voted against promoting equal human rights (including voting against making it illegal to discriminate against people based on their caste), more intrusion into people's privacy and for/the continuation of military action in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya (All of which have been direct causes of terrorism in the UK) should not be trying to lecture anyone on morality or defence.

Add in that he voted against the right to remain for EU nationals already in the UK, against raising welfare budgets and spending to create guaranteed jobs for young people, against raising the tax rate for people who earn over £150,000, against bankers bonus taxes and against higher taxes on banks, for more restriction on trade unions, to reduce capital gains tax and corporation tax, against measure to prevent climate change and to sell off the national forests and it becomes very obvious where his motivations lie.

Are you sure about all these claims against Gove

I am not saying they are wrong but some of them surprise me after all he was the one whose scrapped the Saudi Prisons Deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...hts-hero-over-bid-to-scrap-saudi-prisons-deal

 

[King Boonen]

Michael Gove might be a slippery pr!ck of a man but he nails Corybn here, great speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrEpFi3QOE

Michael Gove, a man with a voting record where he has consistently voted against promoting equal human rights (including voting against making it illegal to discriminate against people based on their caste), more intrusion into people's privacy and for/the continuation of military action in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya (All of which have been direct causes of terrorism in the UK) should not be trying to lecture anyone on morality or defence.

Add in that he voted against the right to remain for EU nationals already in the UK, against raising welfare budgets and spending to create guaranteed jobs for young people, against raising the tax rate for people who earn over £150,000, against bankers bonus taxes and against higher taxes on banks, for more restriction on trade unions, to reduce capital gains tax and corporation tax, against measure to prevent climate change and to sell off the national forests and it becomes very obvious where his motivations lie.

Are you sure about all these claims against Gove

I am not saying they are wrong but some of them surprise me after all he was the one whose scrapped the Saudi Prisons Deal
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...hts-hero-over-bid-to-scrap-saudi-prisons-deal

Voting record on human rights issues here:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11858/michael_gove/surrey_heath/divisions?policy=6703

A more full picture of his record here:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11858/michael_gove/surrey_heath/votes

 

[Robert5091]

And you all thought I was joking about filling up the Anderson Shelter ...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-with-freeze-dried-fajita-idUSKCN1PG1G4?il=0

The “Brexit Box”, retailing at 295 pounds ($380), provides food rations to last 30 days, according to its producer, businessman James Blake who says he has already sold hundreds of them.

With still no deal on how Britain will trade with the EU once it leaves, retailers and manufacturers have warned a “no-deal” Brexit could cause food and medicine shortages due to expected chaos at ports that could paralyze supply lines.

The Brexit Box includes 60 portions of freeze-dried British favorites: Chicken Tikka, Chilli Con Carne, Macaroni Cheese and Chicken Fajitas, 48 portions of dried mince and chicken, firelighter liquid and an emergency water filter.

 

[macbindle]

Really, in the spirit of Brexit, it should be full of Vesta dehydrated chow mein, sachets of Angel Delight, a packet of Smash, and a Fray Bentos pie. All washed down with a bottle of Corona.

 

[Robert5091]

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Really, in the spirit of Brexit, it should be full of Vesta dehydrated chow mein, sachets of Angel Delight, a packet of Smash, and a Fray Bentos pie. All washed down with a bottle of Corona.

Interestingly, no toilet paper