Brits don't dope?

[Granville57]

Anyone, be they a doper or vehemently anti doping, would be a little put out by a visit from a tester on Christmas Day.

Now you're just moving the goal posts, as Libertine has pointed out.

Anyway, where were we? Oh yeah...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dekker-gets-two-year-suspension-for-epo-use

Thomas Dekker has been suspended for two years for using EPO, the Monegasque Cycling Federation announced today. The suspension runs until July 1, 2011.

The 24-year-old from the Netherlands was tested for EPO in an out-of-competition doping control on Christmas Eve 2007 but that test was negative. According to the International Cycling Union (UCI), data gathered under the biological passport programme in 2008 and 2009 “demonstrates convincing evidence of the use of the prohibited method of oxygen transfer.”

These results prompted the UCI to review Dekker's past doping controls, including the one taken in December 2007. The WADA accredited laboratory in Cologne, Germany, re-examined the urine sample and found it to contain EPO.

The Dutch rider has said that he used EPO only the one time...

Probably just found it in his stocking.

 

[Granville57]

Oh look! Someone else is put off by the notion of cyclists being subjected to inconvenient doping tests.

@JohanBruyneel
Unreal. They should try that in another sport...
https://twitter.com/JohanBruyneel/status/548177449000116225

 

[Granville57]

Brits not too welcoming OOC tests today?
https://twitter.com/Mattbrammeier85/status/548172191637196800

5 minute before our Christmas dinner

Yup.

So...less than 24 hours before her next race?

UCI Cyclo-cross World Cup: Holiday action in Heusden-Zolder

The penultimate round of the 2014-2015 UCI Cyclo-cross World Cup will take place on December 26th at the former F1 car racing circuit in Heusden-Zolder, Belgium.

Women's start list

Makes the test seem a bit more reasonable, no?

 

[blackcat]

Yup.

So...less than 24 hours before her next race?

UCI Cyclo-cross World Cup: Holiday action in Heusden-Zolder

Women's start list

Makes the test seem a bit more reasonable, no?

is the torch for a cavity search?



bend over
spread em
cough

 

[blackcat]

is the torch for a cavity search?



bend over
spread em
cough

oh no, not a torch its a bon-bon, or a serviette. i am jewish we dont have those at christmas time

we have napkins. we are british.

 

[Granville57]

is the torch for a cavity search?

If you ask me, it looks like the tester is about to get forked.

 

[blackcat]

If you ask me, it looks like the tester is about to get forked.

stick a fork in him.

#apple_sauce
#hot_sauce

 

[TailWindHome]

Based on what reasoning??

It's not inconceivable that testers could become subject to intimidation from the 'fans' of a tested rider...
Nor is it inconceivable that riders would use this threat as leverage.

 

[thehog]

It's not inconceivable that testers could become subject to intimidation from the 'fans' of a tested rider...
Nor is it inconceivable that riders would use this threat as leverage.

Yes a 63kg cyclist is very intimidating and Froome is going to do what? Tell the tester he'll send around the local gang from Monoco? I'm sure they'll be scary in their Gucchi tracksuits

You can't stretch to think Sky are doping but you're willing to believe that cyclists taking a grainy photograph of a tester and use it in a gang land contract beating so the tester would not test them? then what? The UCI has no sample and the rider is sanctioned regardless.

You really haven't thought this through.

 

[TailWindHome]

Yes a 63kg cyclist is very intimidating and Froome is going to do what? Tell the tester he'll send around the local gang from Monoco? I'm sure they'll be scary in their Gucchi tracksuits

You can't stretch to think Sky are doping but you're willing to believe that cyclists taking a grainy photograph of a tester and use it in a gang land contract beating so the tester would not test them? then what? The UCI has no sample and the rider is sanctioned regardless.

You really haven't thought this through.

Not biting today Hog.
Merry Christmas.

 

[thehog]

Not bitng today Hog
Merry Chrismas.

I think the point stands. Either you back up the possibility of the testers being intimidated or it's fairly much a non-issue.

I'd say it's a non-issue. Unless we have evidence

 

[sniper]

Yes a 63kg cyclist is very intimidating and Froome is going to do what? Tell the tester he'll send around the local gang from Monoco? I'm sure they'll be scary in their Gucchi tracksuits

You can't stretch to think Sky are doping but you're willing to believe that cyclists taking a grainy photograph of a tester and use it in a gang land contract beating so the tester would not test them? then what? The UCI has no sample and the rider is sanctioned regardless.

You really haven't thought this through.

the boldfaced part is key.
if TWH doesn't address that contradiction, he'll leave a window for people to think he is nothing but a Sky troll, which we know he isn't.

 

[TailWindHome]

the boldfaced part is key.
if TWH doesn't address that contradiction, he'll leave a window for people to think he is nothing but a Sky troll, which we know he isn't.

It would be deeply unfair to castigate a poster as a troll for being too long in the tooth to fall for a strawman argument.

 

[thehog]

the boldfaced part is key.
if TWH doesn't address that contradiction, he'll leave a window for people to think he is nothing but a Sky troll, which we know he isn't.

Agreed, the irony is glaring.

It's not possible doping that a rider who used to hang on to motorbikes and zig zag up climbs, who now destroys Nibaili & Comtador. But it's "not inconcievable" that fans could stalk testers and put a contract on their heads!

 

[the sceptic]

Agreed, the irony is glaring.

It's not possible doping that a rider who used to hang on to motorbikes and zig zag up climbs, who now destroys Nibaili & Comtador. But it's "not inconcievable" that fans could stalk testers and put a contract on their heads!

That's different. Brits wouldn't dope as it would ruin their reputation as clean athletes.

If you think a brit is doping you need a reasoned desicion or a positive test to prove it.

 

[thehog]

That's different. Brits wouldn't dope as it would ruin their reputation as clean athletes.

If you think a brit is doping you need a reasoned desicion or a positive test to prove it.

They'd rather work in Tesco than dope. Not sure anyone would work for Tesco's these days, but there you go.

 

[ray j willings]

It would be deeply unfair to castigate a poster as a troll for being too long in the tooth to fall for a strawman argument.

The strawman response seems to be quite trendy. You could have given the same response to Armstrong as you do Sky before he confessed. I could argue all day with the strawman response that Bertie never took EPO or Blood doped and it would stand up as much as your Sky fan boy replies do.
But I am not in denial or get that worked up about defending athletes who dope to reach the top of their sport. I would be interested what you thought of Nicole Cooke who said that until she sees the times get slower [ climbs] she still see's a doping peloton and yes that would include Sky.

 

[thehog]

The strawman response seems to be quite trendy. You could have given the same response to Armstrong as you do Sky before he confessed. I could argue all day with the strawman response that Bertie never took EPO or Blood doped and it would stand up as much as your Sky fan boy replies do.
But I am not in denial or get that worked up about defending athletes who dope to reach the top of their sport. I would be interested what you thought of Nicole Cooke who said that until she sees the times get slower [ climbs] she still see's a doping peloton and yes that would include Sky.

'strawman' & 'moving goal posts' is the new "never tested positive'.

 

[mrhender]

Here's something to cheer you all up

http://www.thesportinmind.com/articles/drug-use-in-athletics-how-can-we-trust-the-sport/

Merry Christmas....

edit:

Is there a general athletics thread? (clinic)
I would be grateful if someone would point me to it..?

Cheers

 

[blackcat]

Not biting today Hog.
Merry Christmas.

man bit dog?

what about turkey?

did Obama save a turkey's life in ode of a drone victim?

 

[The Hitch]

Here's something to cheer you all up

http://www.thesportinmind.com/articles/drug-use-in-athletics-how-can-we-trust-the-sport/

Merry Christmas....

edit:

Is there a general athletics thread? (clinic)
I would be grateful if someone would point me to it..?

Cheers

Thanks.

I found this interesting.

You will not be caught and you will win.
98% of the athletes said they would use the banned performance enhancing drug in this case.

Thank god the guys like bolt, Wiggins, Federer who actually do win happen to come from the 2%

 

[blackcat]

can we actually get someone to get the footage loaded up on youtube of Froomedawg zigzagging. I have only seen his geometry in images. I want to go ballistic on youtubes

 

[mrhender]

Thanks.

I found this interesting.



Thank god the guys like bolt, Wiggins, Federer who actually do win happen to come from the 2%

No No Hitch

-The survey in mention is American, insofar the Brits are innocent of such unscrupulous intentions

Actually it proves the moral difference between the two nations...

Joke

 

[burning]

You will win every competition you enter for the next five years but will then die from the side effects.

50% of athletes said they would use the banned performance enhancing drug in this case.

I think this is much more interesting than %98 stat. It is simply unimaginable to think that people won't intend to dope (Obviosly doping propely is another thing) in today's environment.

 

[thehog]

can we actually get someone to get the footage loaded up on youtube of Froomedawg zigzagging. I have only seen his geometry in images. I want to go ballistic on youtubes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEGpv0xn0E8

@ 7.24 & 7.56 to watch the greatest "clean" Grand Tour Champion in history zig zagging behind climbing specialist Gerrans.