Brits don't dope?

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

Fair enough, I think I did miss it, although I don't see any team they could sign for that didn't have one of those problems so it seems like a stick you could beat anyone with.

Adam Blythe was selling off his OGE kit on a Facebook group I'm a member of a couple of days ago, should have put a bet on him leaving if it's only just been announced...

It was known a few weeks ago that he would leave.

 

[motty89]

Re: Re:

Poor Mo, His hard work and greatness just isn't appreciated

Farah said: "I don't blame people, they don't see what it takes.
"I wish people were there to see you when you're on the floor having done back-to-back runs or at high altitude."

But Farah, who will start heats for the 5,000m in Beijing on Wednesday, also hinted that it might not be until after his career that his greatness is acknowledged.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34046765

I'm really fed up of top Athletes saying how hard they work and how no one understands. Fact is a lot of people work really hard and never get the recognition they get. It's not because they didn't work as hard, it's because they weren't lucky enough to be born with the right genes and weren't prepared to dope!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

Poor Mo, His hard work and greatness just isn't appreciated

Farah said: "I don't blame people, they don't see what it takes.
"I wish people were there to see you when you're on the floor having done back-to-back runs or at high altitude."

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Martyn Rooney (captain of the GB athletics team) on Sky Sports News today with a classic Brits Don't Dope (Unlike Those Naughty Foreigners). I couldn't find a link so just transcribed it

We have a different culture to a lot of countries around the world and I think it's something that's so frowned upon that most of the guys in the team are all good people and ... er .. well I'd say the whole team, everyone's good people and doping is something that wouldn't even be approached

 

[The Carrot]

But what does it have to do with cycling and doping?
I'm not aware of one single British cyclist who went to public / private school. I'm not sure Geraint Thomas even went to school .
Cycling in the UK has always been a working class sport. The upper classes play sports where the locomotion is provided by another animal.

Still, it's pretty funny so carry on.

here,

it has NOTHING to do with cycling.

But cycling is now so absurd, since Armstrong and USPS, and Sky took up the cudgel, and many seek out the clinic and try to mount a defense of Sky. And yes, they are all doping, not just Sky.

But we can make fun of Sky certainly.

So, it is nice to throw a few grenades at the Sky homers and engage them in their own absurdity.

I picked a few uniquely British gobbets; mostly to pique the ire of the empire crew when the hog is not around

gordonstoun, muscular christianity, rowing, chariots of fire, redgrave, radcliffe, oxbridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

and even tho I invoke "muscular christianity" I have no intention to make it a religious relevance to cycling, it may even be muscular islam, muscular buddhism, muscular judaism, it is utterly irrelevant. I never suggest it was nor is.

muscular Christianity
noun
a Christian life of brave and cheerful physical activity, especially as popularly associated with the writings of Charles Kingsley and with boys' public schools of the Victorian British Empire.

I think Blackcat's right in his description of the 'Britishness' that is attached to sport (by many). Frequent use of the 'rousing' Jerusalem hymn is another example, I think the hymn even gave rise to the expression 'Chariot(s) of Fire'. Here's a film that's coming out today on DVD, just before the Rugby World Cup:

 

[blackcat]

I think Blackcat's right in his description of the 'Britishness' that is attached to sport (by many). Frequent use of the 'rousing' Jerusalem hymn is another example, I think the hymn even gave rise to the expression 'Chariot(s) of Fire'. Here's a film that's coming out today on DVD, just before the Rugby World Cup:

ofcourse i am right, have i ever been wrong?

and lets credit Hog for the pithy euphemism"empire crew" in one idiom, sums up rowing, clinic and state.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Two Australian in 1998, Stephens and O'Grady I guess. Why is there no Australian flag for every year O'Grady raced?

Stuey only doped once, he told us that

folks, please be rigorous with your references and hashtag bibliography

it is

#stueymate

we are using #Harvardcitation paradigm. its really important. stueymate will deign no fools and incur disrespect by Clinic12 plebs

 

[Freddythefrog]

Just went to twitter to see what is going on with Allan Wells - last seen - he was considering legal action against those nasty people saying lies about him and Jimmy Ledingham.

Wells was not a big twitter user but has been silent since March. But just look who is out there fighting in his corner on twitter

Justin Gatlin ‏@_Justin_Gatlin Jun 4

Stay strong, my brother @AllanWellsMBE. Like me, I know that you achieved all this through hard work. #fathomable

All Wells needs now is Dwain chambers to be just a vocal, and then while at it Dwain and Justin can put in a few good words for Paula and Mo.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Just went to twitter to see what is going on with Allan Wells - last seen - he was considering legal action against those nasty people saying lies about him and Jimmy Ledingham.

Wells was not a big twitter user but has been silent since March. But just look who is out there fighting in his corner on twitter

Justin Gatlin ‏@_Justin_Gatlin Jun 4

Stay strong, my brother @AllanWellsMBE. Like me, I know that you achieved all this through hard work. #fathomable

All Wells needs now is Dwain chambers to be just a vocal, and then while at it Dwain and Justin can put in a few good words for Paula and Mo.

A shut trap catches no flies. Allan Wells has gone off the radar. Smart.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Was just thinking about 2002 and went looking. It was there under our noses - the BBC had nailed the story back then. And there is me slagging them off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/special_events/sports_personality_2002/2546793.stm

"Paula Radcliffe's crowning as BBC Sports Personality of the Year is a fitting finale to what has been a staggering year.

"In the space of 12 months, Radcliffe transformed herself from also-ran to how-did-she-run-that?

"Her achievements barely seem believable.

"Radcliffe became new marathon world record holder, European 10,000m champion, Commonwealth 5,000m champion, winner of the London Marathon at her first attempt, world cross country champion - the list goes on. "

It was just like Sir Brad's transformation model

The BBC called it just as they saw it "..How did she run that? Her achievements barely seem believable".

Sorry BBC I am forever in your debt - you called it right in 2002.

But then I would ask just one, tiny, and I'll admit it, somewhat inconvenient question - what the hell went wrong after that - where did all that doubt go ?

 

[Benotti69]

Fantastic find Freddy.

That should be tweeted.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

It was Sir Brad's transformation model - he is actually "Modern Brit beats dirty Johnny foreigner after years of taking one hell of a beating from these junkies (just as soon as he gets out of the boozer for long enough and goes on the Atkin's diet or whatever it was they said caused him to lose 2 stone and put on 50 Watts) 2.0

do i have to repeat my gobbit refrain? seems the perfect analogue innit?

no, I would just bust out a few choruses of...

"Onward Christian soldiers marching off to war...."

 

[bobbins]

There's a few positives on their way soon. Evidently UKADA have a test for GH. Some target testing seems to have been going on also. No big names as usual though.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Just went to twitter to see what is going on with Allan Wells - last seen - he was considering legal action against those nasty people saying lies about him and Jimmy Ledingham.

Wells was not a big twitter user but has been silent since March. But just look who is out there fighting in his corner on twitter

Justin Gatlin ‏@_Justin_Gatlin Jun 4

Stay strong, my brother @AllanWellsMBE. Like me, I know that you achieved all this through hard work. #fathomable

All Wells needs now is Dwain chambers to be just a vocal, and then while at it Dwain and Justin can put in a few good words for Paula and Mo.

lol, i dont know this guy, so i wikipedia'd[sic] him, and found besides every great man, is the great man cuckolded by a great woman and lady macbeth. she is super, but pales to betsy

Early years and long jump[edit]
Born in Edinburgh, Wells was educated at Fernieside Primary School and then Liberton High School. He left school at age 15 to begin an engineering apprenticeship.[2] Wells was initially a triple jumper and long jumper[2] and crowned Scottish indoor long jump champion in 1974.

His wife, Margot, helped him win an Olympic gold and silver medal in the 100 m and 200 m respectively at the Moscow Olympics in 1980. In the run-up to the games, she protected him from hate mail generated by the then Soviet Union's involvement in Afghanistan.

 

[blackcat]

ferkin talibans and mujahid, they dont like dopers, only their opium crops

 

[The Hitch]

Had a good laugh watching the Davis cup doubles today when Sam Groth of Australia had a go at the fans for making it difficult for him (UK is at home) and the bbc commentators immediately swoop in with "but its good natured support here in the UK, unlike in some other countries". Italy, mexico and romania were given as examples.

Not saying there is anything wrong with the Uk support, just its the same basic paradigm of UK as family friendly place where everyone is nice while these other countries are more dodgy.

Another example of this is when, you still hear, they say that Maradona for example had the blessing of all Argentina to cheat because "its part of their culture" but that it would never be acceptable for an English player to do it.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: mad donna

Another example of this is when, you still hear, they say that Maradona for example had the blessing of all Argentina to cheat because "its part of their culture" but that it would never be acceptable for an English player to do it.

.....can you recall an english player giving it 'hand of god?'............well........there you go........

Mark L

John Terry has to many of his England colleagues WAGs.

 

[blackcat]

Re: mad donna

Another example of this is when, you still hear, they say that Maradona for example had the blessing of all Argentina to cheat because "its part of their culture" but that it would never be acceptable for an English player to do it.

.....can you recall an english player giving it 'hand of god?'............well........there you go........

Mark L

John Terry has to many of his England colleagues WAGs.

oh, so many opportunities, i will refrain.

i prefer ryan gigs tho. he has an interesting take on onan of the old testament. it is the living-death dichotomy he can invert.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re: mad donna

Another example of this is when, you still hear, they say that Maradona for example had the blessing of all Argentina to cheat because "its part of their culture" but that it would never be acceptable for an English player to do it.

.....can you recall an english player giving it 'hand of god?'............well........there you go........

Mark L

Agreed, but lets be frank, when getting drunk and nail as many sluts as possible besides playing footie is your major goal I dont expect a lot from English players conserning doing what it takes to become World Champion.

Diego is grinta.

 

[Strathlubnaig]

But what does it have to do with cycling and doping?
I'm not aware of one single British cyclist who went to public / private school. I'm not sure Geraint Thomas even went to school .
Cycling in the UK has always been a working class sport. The upper classes play sports where the locomotion is provided by another animal.

Still, it's pretty funny so carry on.

here,

it has NOTHING to do with cycling.

But cycling is now so absurd, since Armstrong and USPS, and Sky took up the cudgel, and many seek out the clinic and try to mount a defense of Sky. And yes, they are all doping, not just Sky.

But we can make fun of Sky certainly.

So, it is nice to throw a few grenades at the Sky homers and engage them in their own absurdity.

I picked a few uniquely British gobbets; mostly to pique the ire of the empire crew when the hog is not around

gordonstoun, muscular christianity, rowing, chariots of fire, redgrave, radcliffe, oxbridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

and even tho I invoke "muscular christianity" I have no intention to make it a religious relevance to cycling, it may even be muscular islam, muscular buddhism, muscular judaism, it is utterly irrelevant. I never suggest it was nor is.

muscular Christianity
noun
a Christian life of brave and cheerful physical activity, especially as popularly associated with the writings of Charles Kingsley and with boys' public schools of the Victorian British Empire.

I think Blackcat's right in his description of the 'Britishness' that is attached to sport (by many). Frequent use of the 'rousing' Jerusalem hymn is another example, I think the hymn even gave rise to the expression 'Chariot(s) of Fire'. Here's a film that's coming out today on DVD, just before the Rugby World Cup:

I think it is 'Englishness' and not British-ness, the Anglos really do take themselves too seriously, especially fuelled by the Anglo-centric media in the UK. Generally speaking, Scots, Welsh etc will be largely ignored until they do well, then they are British, e.g. Andy Murray. The whole 'Jerusalem' theme mentioned above is quintisentially an English phenomenon, not 'British'.

 

[wendybnt]

Might that be because all of the most popular team sports in the UK are played in teams of England (Scotland and Wales) rather than Great Britain?

Without meaning to inflame nationalist tensions between Brits and Scots, maybe the Scottish overestimate their impact a little? Lovely people, lovely country, but there are almost double the number of people living in London alone, than in the whole of Scotland. It will soon be irrelevant though. If the Conservatives win the 2020 election Scotland will go independent for sure.

Going back to Blackcat's posts, in the UK rugby and cricket are imbued with the collective cultural memory of Empire (football certainly isn't) but is that hardly surprising given the origin of the sports? Rugby was invented in the UK, in the private school system, and spread to the empire through the empire, cricket was formalised by the English. I don't really think it goes much beyond that, as a lot have time has passed since the dissolution of the British empire and for those that haven't been to the UK, it isn't full of people walking around in pith helmets or straw boaters (much to my surprise when I first landed in Heathrow)

I am myself a product of the empire, and my cultural identity is associated with it. I can't help but feel a massive 'so what'. Its history. And very probably, next year, the little Union Jack that resides in the corner of my national flag will disappear too.

Sorry, I'm rambling wistfully. Its early and I haven't had my coffee yet

 

[The Carrot]

But what does it have to do with cycling and doping?
I'm not aware of one single British cyclist who went to public / private school. I'm not sure Geraint Thomas even went to school .
Cycling in the UK has always been a working class sport. The upper classes play sports where the locomotion is provided by another animal.

Still, it's pretty funny so carry on.

here,

it has NOTHING to do with cycling.

But cycling is now so absurd, since Armstrong and USPS, and Sky took up the cudgel, and many seek out the clinic and try to mount a defense of Sky. And yes, they are all doping, not just Sky.

But we can make fun of Sky certainly.

So, it is nice to throw a few grenades at the Sky homers and engage them in their own absurdity.

I picked a few uniquely British gobbets; mostly to pique the ire of the empire crew when the hog is not around

gordonstoun, muscular christianity, rowing, chariots of fire, redgrave, radcliffe, oxbridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

and even tho I invoke "muscular christianity" I have no intention to make it a religious relevance to cycling, it may even be muscular islam, muscular buddhism, muscular judaism, it is utterly irrelevant. I never suggest it was nor is.

muscular Christianity
noun
a Christian life of brave and cheerful physical activity, especially as popularly associated with the writings of Charles Kingsley and with boys' public schools of the Victorian British Empire.

I think Blackcat's right in his description of the 'Britishness' that is attached to sport (by many). Frequent use of the 'rousing' Jerusalem hymn is another example, I think the hymn even gave rise to the expression 'Chariot(s) of Fire'. Here's a film that's coming out today on DVD, just before the Rugby World Cup:

I think it is 'Englishness' and not British-ness, the Anglos really do take themselves too seriously, especially fuelled by the Anglo-centric media in the UK. Generally speaking, Scots, Welsh etc will be largely ignored until they do well, then they are British, e.g. Andy Murray. The whole 'Jerusalem' theme mentioned above is quintisentially an English phenomenon, not 'British'.

Nitpicking. The DVD came out perfectly on cue to perfectly highlight the (ab)use of a Christian hymn in association with a British Team albeit the English one (and the English make up 80% of British People).

 

[blackcat]

Nitpicking. The DVD came out perfectly on cue to perfectly highlight the (ab)use of a Christian hymn in association with a British Team albeit the English one (and the English make up 80% of British People).

credit goes to blackcat and their signature

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think it is 'Englishness' and not British-ness, the Anglos really do take themselves too seriously, especially fuelled by the Anglo-centric media in the UK. Generally speaking, Scots, Welsh etc will be largely ignored until they do well, then they are British, e.g. Andy Murray. The whole 'Jerusalem' theme mentioned above is quintisentially an English phenomenon, not 'British'.

But isn't this just a restricted version of the same accusation that is made of the presentation in the Anglo-centric British media? The media's presentation is basically that Britons are the cleanly, good ones, who are fighting against those dirty, often arrogant, cheating opponents from elsewhere, and if they triumph it's a great thing. It's just that from a more restricted Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Manx viewpoint, the English are among those opponents from elsewhere, who if not perceived as being guilty of cheating are at least perceived as being guilty of arrogance, only they're seen as more of an enemy because they appropriate the Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Manx successes as their own in a multitude of sports where Great Britain competes as one (as opposed to, say, football).

Trying to wring your hands of the negative implications of the perceived British "we're above it" arrogant stereotyping on the basis that it's an English thing rather than a British thing so non-Anglo Brits are not part of it is committing the same offence, just from a different angle.

 

[wendybnt]

Its all just Brit-bashing anyway. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard (non-cycling) Aussie in-laws/friends tell me that Australians wouldn't cheat as it is so against their culture of fair sport. No difference. Same blinkers.

If you ask cycling Brits, you'll find they are just as cynical of their own kin as they are of others.