Brits don't dope?

[SundayRider]

First time back posting in the clinic for ages. Regarding Radcliffe is she is found to have doped after holding 'that banner' then that is sociopath territory. I wasn't really convinced either way with Radcliffe but after visiting some running forums it appears she could possibly be the LA of running.

 

[wrinklyvet]

In a certain sense it is common knowledge that the top cyclists are still doping...True, here in the clinic I haven't seen any photo's of Wiggo actually doping, but there is plenty of discussion-links ect in the clinic subforms that can be used to determine with 99.999% certainty that riders, who haven't been "busted" yet, are doping. I'd recommend you go way back through these different threads and read up...you should see what I'm talking about.

That's your opinion and certainly you share it with others. It's not established fact, whatever you say and your percentage certainty is ridiculous.

We will have to agree to differ.

I maintain my stance against picking out athletes and seeking to name and shame on the basis of their appearance, the way they cross the line (making it look hard or easy), distancing others or having muscular appearance (etc) as it is over the top. There is no logic or science in it.

Somebody said its up to readers to decide for themselves. True, but look at the Clinic rules. Readers should not have to put up with stuff that has been posted in breach. How is breaching these rules (because you can get away with it) any more honourable than doping itself?

 

[DirtyWorks]

First time back posting in the clinic for ages. Regarding Radcliffe is she is found to have doped after holding 'that banner' then that is sociopath territory. I wasn't really convinced either way with Radcliffe but after visiting some running forums it appears she could possibly be the LA of running.

What you mean to say is the federation plays an active role in enabling doping while perpetrating international sports fraud.

The athletes themselves are interchangeable, expendable.

 

[sniper]

First time back posting in the clinic for ages. Regarding Radcliffe is she is found to have doped after holding 'that banner' then that is sociopath territory. I wasn't really convinced either way with Radcliffe but after visiting some running forums it appears she could possibly be the LA of running.

true story...

 

[the sceptic]

First time back posting in the clinic for ages. Regarding Radcliffe is she is found to have doped after holding 'that banner' then that is sociopath territory. I wasn't really convinced either way with Radcliffe but after visiting some running forums it appears she could possibly be the LA of running.

Not only that, she has always been calling for more tests, better funding, independent anti doping etc.

http://www.paularadcliffe.com/serialisations-taking-on-the-cheats/

I mean what she says makes a lot of sense.. If she was a middle of the pack runner. But someone who is destroying doped russians and kenyans left and right?

 

[Briant_Gumble]

First time back posting in the clinic for ages. Regarding Radcliffe is she is found to have doped after holding 'that banner' then that is sociopath territory. I wasn't really convinced either way with Radcliffe but after visiting some running forums it appears she could possibly be the LA of running.

I agree fully.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I referred to matters generally so it would not be personal.

They are not personal attacks because we all know the Clinic 12 are just spam bots run out of some programmer's basement. Am I right?

The sweeping, false, generalizations are not clever.

Ignored.

 

[wrinklyvet]

They are not personal attacks because we all know the Clinic 12 are just spam bots run out of some programmer's basement. Am I right?

The sweeping, false, generalizations are not clever.

Ignored.

Sorry, I don't understand this. I suggest we leave it here unless you want to explain what you mean, particularly in the first sentence.

 

[sniper]

Spoty Paula won SPOTY in 2002. I would like correction, but I don't think she has been back since. Too busy in Monaco socialising. But suddenly out of the blue, wouldn't you just know it, after 24 hours of pause in the twitter feed suddenly she is on BBC Radio five doing interviews "Oh how hard it all was, you will never believe what I had to go through" and the Mail is maxing out the rev counter in reverse gear repeating it all. Last night the BBC sat her alongside Hoy. Just the establishment reminding us that she is a chosen one, sitting her in the most prime of spots for the whole night, the camera constantly picking her up as it scanned back from the stage.

No it doesn't mean she is the "red one" on the list but when an IAAF press spokesman whips out a release that is off the Richter scale and other players start acting out of character, it sure looks like a lot more than a good detective needs to start looking real hard.

But back to the Spoty - I missed the start and came in when some glove puppet was being interviewed for minutes on end and then Gabby Logan was doing the "afters" trying to make out what jolly good fun it was. Sound went off and I read my newspaper. Loved it that they had Mr 50% buster - Rob Hayles on as part of the applause team on stage for Hoy. So apt. Only one missing was Shane. Fester was there - he needs some more awards, can wrinkly vet/oldcrank put him in for one ? Can't he become and Earl or something?

in case you missed it, there's no doubt anymore that she is indeed the red one (check previous pages and links posted by neineinei).



on a side, your post from one or two days ago was one of epic dimensions. splendid

 

[Parker]

Spoty Paula won SPOTY in 2002. I would like correction, but I don't think she has been back since. Too busy in Monaco socialising. But suddenly out of the blue, wouldn't you just know it, after 24 hours of pause in the twitter feed suddenly she is on BBC Radio five doing interviews

Are you joking? She's there every sodding year.

I won't clog up the thread with photos, so just links to them, but a quick google image search shows

2007: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_02/RadcliffeG_468x825.jpg
2009: http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/BBC+Sports+Personality+Year+qAVVxj8sKSml.jpg
2011: http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lf...nd-her-husband-sports-personality_5772572.jpg
2012: http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Paula+Radcliffe+BBC+Sports+Personality+Year+IWANvw420E4l.jpg
2013: http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Paula+Radcliffe+BBC+Sports+Personality+Year+_mRP2PYgguYl.jpg

 

[DirtyWorks]

There are strong, (and, I believe, credible) rumours of abuse of thyroid medications in British Distance Running (basically questionable TUEs). This is apparrently led by governing body medical staff. Taking advantage of the rules to the limit. I am led to believe that some fairly high profile runners (in British terms for a relatively niche sport) are involved

This would be, IMO, the international average. Basically a variation on "it's not doping if it isn't prohibited, or I don't have an AAF." Also keep in mind if the national federation has the opportunity to decline a positive for a favored athlete, then they likely will.

NCAA sports federation is not WADA compliant. Here's a nice link with some of the differences. http://www.usada.org/substances/wada-ncaa-differences/

 

[TailWindHome]

Have I missed something here?

What has changed to convince everyone it's Radcliffe?

 

[thehog]

in case you missed it, there's no doubt anymore that she is indeed the red one (check previous pages and links posted by neineinei).

on a side, your post from one or two days ago was one of epic dimensions. splendid

No tailwinds for Radcliffe then....

There was always crazy Gary the overbearing coach/husband in the background. Perhaps he was spiking her herbal tea at night? The trackside fight in 2001 was a lasting memory of the weirdness going on there.

Who knows what will happen next. Do the tabloids have courage to print the name? Will David Walsh step up and become an anti-doping hero to the masses?

 

[TheSpud]

Not only that, she has always been calling for more tests, better funding, independent anti doping etc.

http://www.paularadcliffe.com/serialisations-taking-on-the-cheats/

I mean what she says makes a lot of sense.. If she was a middle of the pack runner. But someone who is destroying doped russians and kenyans left and right?

Whats ironic there is that Yegorova got off on a technicality as the IAAF hadnt followed proper protocol!

 

[TheSpud]

Have I missed something here?

What has changed to convince everyone it's Radcliffe?

A slightly obvious post in another forum not 'naming any names'.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Have I missed something here?

What has changed to convince everyone it's Radcliffe?

Broad hints from a credible source.

 

[the sceptic]

No tailwinds for Radcliffe then....

There was always crazy Gary the overbearing coach/husband in the background. Perhaps he was spiking her herbal tea at night? The trackside fight in 2001 was a lasting memory of the weirdness going on there.

Who knows what will happen next. Do the tabloids have courage to print the name? Will David Walsh step up and become an anti-doping hero to the masses?

I was just reading on letsrun.com and it appears she might have had a tailwind follow her around the course when she set the world record.

ukathleticscoach wrote:
How can it be wind aided when the course loops back on itself and a lott of the course is between tall buildings

Because you're on different parts of the course at different times and the wind doesn't have to be blowing in the same direction throughout the race.

(I don't actually know what the wind was doing on the day, but it's at least possible that you get lucky and have the wind behind you all the way round a circular course.)

 

[sniper]

Not only that, she has always been calling for more tests, better funding, independent anti doping etc.

perhaps all this time knowing the IAAF would do anything in their power to keep her out of the wind...

 

[TheSpud]

What will the implications be if it is indeed Radcliffe?

I assume she will come up with some silly excuse, the pregnancy most likely.

I also assume most people will believe it and it will only be jealous clinic haters that don't understand blood values that think she is doping.

Hope I'm wrong, but as long as there is no positive test or sanction, people will dream big.

Just playing devils advocate here, but its common comment on here that dropping up and down from altitude screws the blood profile. Is it possible that the rumoured person has suffered from that given that it is well known that they frequently trained at altitude. We don't know how the blood values were suspicious (just that they were) - so is it possible what I said?

And just FYI - I have no axe to grind (or indeed the reverse - whatever that may be).

 

[sniper]

Just playing devils advocate here, but its common comment on here that dropping up and down from altitude screws the blood profile. Is it possible that the rumoured person has suffered from that given that it is well known that they frequently trained at altitude. We don't know how the blood values were suspicious (just that they were) - so is it possible what I said?

And just FYI - I have no axe to grind (or indeed the reverse - whatever that may be).

no it's not possible.
she's color red meaning there is no doubt whatsoever that the values can only be due to doping.
but yes, what you say (together with her pregnancy)is what we'll be expected to believe as an excuse and what the british press will no doubt uncritically reproduce as the truth.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

The silence from Radcliffe in response to Race Radio's tweet is deafening.

As a brit myself, this is hard to take, I'm a fringe fan of athletics and I watched Radcliffe at a time when I was much more naive about doping.

There are many other british candidates who I would want to see busted before her.

I re-iterate what I said earlier in the thread that this will be a huge national scandal if she is exposed in the mainstream press, its not because of her level of celebrity right now but because of her sanctimony and hypocritical attitude. She will be a huge joke, probably bigger than Armstrong in the US because there aren't many athletes viewed as dopers here.

 

[the sceptic]

Just playing devils advocate here, but its common comment on here that dropping up and down from altitude screws the blood profile. Is it possible that the rumoured person has suffered from that given that it is well known that they frequently trained at altitude. We don't know how the blood values were suspicious (just that they were) - so is it possible what I said?

And just FYI - I have no axe to grind (or indeed the reverse - whatever that may be).

Of course you don't.

I personally think she might have had badzilla but that's just me.

 

[thehog]

The silence from Radcliffe in response to Race Radio's tweet is deafening.

As a brit myself, this is hard to take, I'm a fringe fan of athletics and I watched Radcliffe at a time when I was much more naive about doping.

There are many other british candidates who I would want to see busted before her.

I re-iterate what I said earlier in the thread that this will be a huge national scandal if she is exposed in the mainstream press, its not because of her level of celebrity right now but because of her sanctimony and hypocritical attitude. She will be a huge joke, probably bigger than Armstrong in the US because there aren't many athletes viewed as dopers here.

She does cry a lot. Tears might help here.

 

[keeponrollin]

Of course you don't.

I personally think she might have had badzilla but that's just me.

She might have caught it in Kenya ?

 

[MartinGT]

Do you honestly believe the name will get out who it is?