Brits don't dope?

[The Hitch]

I don't know about xenophobibic but blackcats posts have been a bit bizzaro recently. When he started bringing up jimmy savile, didn't quite get that.

 

[thehog]

This. Wiggins was virtually unbeatable in 2012, the Tour win was NID. Just so happens that 2012 was also the biggest year for sport (and cycling) in pretty much forever in the UK. Just a conincidence that.

Yes and by sheer coincidence it was an Olympic year and the Olympics were in Britian. What are the chances of that?!!

 

[Digger]

Yes and by sheer coincidence it was an Olympic year and the Olympics were in Britian. What are the chances of that?!!

Can anyone think of a rider who dominated in one calendar year, for eight months, like Wiggins did in 2012? And to a slightly lesser extent Froome in 2013...how amazing was it that they kept entering races with weak fields...

Simple fact is that if they are both clean, then they are both the greatest cyclists of all time...something they certainly didn't show previously.

 

[SundayRider]

Can anyone think of a rider who dominated in one calendar year, for eight months, like Wiggins did in 2012? And to a slightly lesser extent Froome in 2013...how amazing was it that they kept entering races with weak fields...

Simple fact is that if they are both clean, then they are both the greatest cyclists of all time...something they certainly didn't show previously.

And yet neither could repear the feat the year later or showed indications of such outright dominance in the years previously.

 

[thehog]

And yet neither could repear the feat the year later or showed indications of such outright dominance in the years previously.

At least Wiggins looks good on a bike. Froome is just ridiculous. Utterly the wrong guy to pick to dope. Pick a guy who can actually ride a bike before you gear them up.

If Wiggins didn't have so much Catholic schoolboy guilt he could have won a lot more. But you can tell he's not going to dope like that again.

I hope he wins PR next year.

 

[yespatterns]

I'm pretty sure I'm happier not knowing.

Fascinating yes, read the wiki. I still think I was better off not knowing

 

[Peter70]

It's called satire and in the case of blackcat it's freaking hilarious.

It's called racism and wasn't funny the first 10,000 times they said it.

 

[yespatterns]

Also, sky's technical acumen has generally consisted of "ride fast", and that's about it. I do think Froome grew a bit more as a rider this year. In any event the old playbook won'tsuffice in the upcoming season.

 

[coinneach]

The only person doing any spinning is you. To equate a guy who rode peyresoudes as fast as contador and beat Vincenzo Nibali in the mountains on top of.putting out two of the fastest and most dominant tts (in the middle and end of a gt) to west ham is obvious trolling.

And it's clearly proven wrong by the power output comparisons between years which show that Wiggins 2012 performance was good enough to challenge in any year. And that itself is only for those so ignorant of cycling history they don't realize that Wiggins came 4th in the superfast 2009 tour de France.

As for contador and schleck being out someone actually thinking for themselves would realize that Contador hasn't done anything at the Tour de France for 4 years and Andy Schleck has failed to even finish the race in 3.


B-b-b-but wiggo s had a historically favourable circumstances right? Because two riders who don't challenge at the tour anymore, didn't challenge him at the tour.

Contador wasn't at the 2008 race. And the 2nd best gt rider wasn't there. And the third best gt rider wasn't there. And the 4th best gt rider wasn't there. Landis also missed the 2007 version. Ulrich and Basso also missed the 2007 and 2006 versions.

Imagine that? Races where the top 3,4,5 best gt riders in the world aren't even turning up to the start line? Happens all the time. By your weird reasoning Landis winning 2006 was like Sunderland winning the premier league because the top 5 teams were dqd, contador (like the 10th favourite before the year) would be like Everton winning and Sastre 08 was like a division 2 team becoming premier league champions because everyone above them was dqd.

But in reality we know that all these tdf winners ultimately put out insane performances. And we know that with Wiggins because he wiped the floor with the second most accomplished gt rider of the last decade.

But Wiggins had historic circumstances and was like west ham

Not that Andy schleck was even a major favourite for the race or anything.

It's an interesting post, full of opinions, mostly backed up by evidence.
But I do wish posters would stop accusing someone of "trolling" just because they express a different point of view.
I know Trolls do exist but I wish posters would use the term sparingly and appropriately, otherwise it stops to have any meaning

 

[blackcat]

I'm just trying to work out what 'musclar christianity' is !?!?!!

hog

basically, its gordonstoun manifest.

rowing, cross country, rugby. not so much cricket tho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordonstoun

Muscular Christianity is a Christian commitment to piety and physical health, basing itself on the New Testament, which sanctions the concepts of character (Philippians 3:14) and well-being (1Corinthians 6:19–20).[1][2][3]

The movement came into vogue during the Victorian era and stressed the need for energetic Christian evangelism in combination with an ideal of vigorous masculinity.

australians have their own iteration of muscular christianity. We call it "c0ck rock".

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/c0ck_rock[/URL]

some examples of c0ck rock
Mark Snarski (Nearly Brothers)
Mark Snarski (Jackson Code)
Dan Sultan

needless to say, aussies can c0ck rock

 

[blackcat]

more aussie c0ck rock for my empire crew fans. I know you guys only had brit pop and third way and tony blair and wendi deng ding ding bingo. oh and Rebekah Brooks

remember we gave you and the yanks Murdoch and we were just smart enough to wash our hands of him and give him to you guys and red tops.

empire crew = britpop
aussies = c0ck rock.

we win. c0ckrock>britpop. ours is a facecard to your joker.

The Drones (great aussie c0ckrock better than the milquetoast britpop)

this is an inherently racist post

 

[blackcat]

 

[blackcat]

u got Morrissey and Bowie, we got Dan Sultan.

we win



Dan Sultan good Aussie c0ck rock we win this 2


sorry to say, empire crew lose this one too.

 

[ultimobici]

u got Morrissey and Bowie, we got Dan Sultan.

we win



Dan Sultan good Aussie c0ck rock we win this 2


sorry to say, empire crew lose this one too.

You still have to go a long way to make amends for Kylie & Jason, Men at Work etc. The only Aussie acts worth anything other than Midnight Oil are dead.

What all this crap has to do with doping is beyond me though

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

u got Morrissey and Bowie, we got Dan Sultan.

we win



Dan Sultan good Aussie c0ck rock we win this 2


sorry to say, empire crew lose this one too.

have you ever kissed a girl? As you are an aussie I should clarify family members dont count. Please can we get back on topic?

 

[Granville57]

You still have to go a long way to make amends for Men at Work etc.

Indeed. Hard to fathom that the same island responsible for Men at Work also produced Mark "Chopper" Read. Given its history, however, the former is much more the surprise than the latter.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Indeed. Hard to fathom that the same island responsible for Men at Work also produced Mark "Chopper" Read. Given its history, however, the former is much more the surprise than the latter.

Um.

"Chopper Reid" comedy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc

Also, Sia is doing ok as a singer / songwriter.

 

[Granville57]

"Dr. Chopper prescribes..."

It would've been complete had he only confronted Colin Hay in that bit.

 

[thehog]

Savage Garden

 

[yespatterns]

Cut/Copy is pretty tight as well.

 

[Granville57]

About those Brits...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/cycling-spoke-in-the-wheel-as-failed-drug-tests-show-work-is-still-to-be-done.26123041

Britain's Team Sky, who have produced two of the three most recent Tour de France victors in Chris Froome and Sir Bradley Wiggins, have been praised for their policy of zero tolerance. Nobody employed by the team can have any connection to doping, past or present. Their model has been the subject of discussion with other teams who have approached team principal Sir Dave Brailsford, enquiring as to the practical application of the policy. This is one of the reasons why Brailsford believes the peleton is largely clean.

"I generally do think so. I think that if people have been trying to cheat, and, they are getting caught, that is important," he says. "People don't want to cheat, ultimately. I think there is a general movement in the peleton to where people want to be able to race clean. Also, I think the EPO generation is slowly retiring and moving on from the sport and we have a new generation coming through, and that new generation was never involved in the systematic doping of teams."

 

[bobbins]

About those Brits...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/cycling-spoke-in-the-wheel-as-failed-drug-tests-show-work-is-still-to-be-done.26123041

Praised? Mocked more like.

Any article where basic spelling is overlooked isn't worth reading.

 

[ray j willings]

Praised? Mocked more like.

Any article where basic spelling is overlooked isn't worth reading.

ne articule wear basic spleen iz oferlooced iznt werth reeden

Quite right

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

About those Brits...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/cycling-spoke-in-the-wheel-as-failed-drug-tests-show-work-is-still-to-be-done.26123041

Fair play to Brailsford. By showing you can win clean he's convinced all the other teams to be clean as well. He's single handedly cleaned up the sport. After all, why would anybody bother doping when Sky have shown you can race faster drug free?

 

[the sceptic]

Fair play to Brailsford. By showing you can win clean he's convinced all the other teams to be clean as well. He's single handedly cleaned up the sport. After all, why would anybody bother doping when Sky have shown you can race faster drug free?

Excellent point.

I am pleased to see we now have clean champions like Contador and Nibali winning things.

Even Horner must have been clean in 2013. He was an early pioneer of copying marginal gains.