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All those riders caught doping that I have read about. It's nonsense ,I don't believe it.
Brailsford has told us that cycling is cleaner people don't dope anymore.
why would all those riders dope. I mean the ones who have been busted this year have not won much so why would they dope. It does not make any sense to me. Its all nonsense and thanks to Sky when I see the likes of Froome matching and beating time's of some of the best doped riders I realise we can trust in our sport again and Nichole Cooke has nothing to worry about anymore.
Brailsford has told us that cycling is cleaner people don't dope anymore.
why would all those riders dope. I mean the ones who have been busted this year have not won much so why would they dope. It does not make any sense to me. Its all nonsense and thanks to Sky when I see the likes of Froome matching and beating time's of some of the best doped riders I realise we can trust in our sport again and Nichole Cooke has nothing to worry about anymore.
Regardless of whether or not you believe in Sky it's a fair point though. One motivating factor to dope is because you feel that you can't compete without doping. The old arms race thing...
The obvious drawback to this point is that it relies on people believing that Sky are competing clean, which clearly not everyone on here does! Of course, the veiws of members of an internet forum aren't really important, it's the views of the pro peleton and up and coming riders that are. Do they believe in Sky?
It's an interesting philosophical question though, with this in mind. Which is worse for cycling? A clean team that everyone believes are dirty, or a dirty team that everyone believes to be clean?
The obvious drawback to this point is that it relies on people believing that Sky are competing clean, which clearly not everyone on here does! Of course, the veiws of members of an internet forum aren't really important, it's the views of the pro peleton and up and coming riders that are. Do they believe in Sky?
It's an interesting philosophical question though, with this in mind. Which is worse for cycling? A clean team that everyone believes are dirty, or a dirty team that everyone believes to be clean?
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The_Captain said:
False. The pro peloton doesn't sign their own checks. Cycling seems to follow the golden rule. The one with the gold rules.
The_Captain said:
What about a dirty team who admits they are dirty. No one has been caught so stick 2 fingers up to all sporting body's, win sh%% loads of races and money and have a big syringe as a logo on their shirts.
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but how are they sticking their fingers up to the sporting body when Amaury Sport and UCI configure a route for Wiggins, and a wide berth, and basically deliver the first British winner on a palate for Murdochray j willings said:
they cant be sticking up two churchillian fingers when they have been endorsed and underwritten by the insitutional bodies.
the irony is, murdoch's papers were instrumental in flicking the switch on Armstrong and the takedown. Walsh now is supporting Sky and Wiggins and Froome and ghostwritten tomes (strikethru) make that tombs.
Walsh knows Wiggins doped to win. He knows Froome did too.
I dont understand this hypocrisy. Maybe even more so than Armstrong, Armstrong, I understood, and after a while of assuming a personal betrayal which was anything but, I could appreciate where Armstrong came from. I have no delusions he is not a bast@rd, because he is indeed very much a b@stard.
But the have all been underwritten by the compliant bodies. See: Rumsas. Edita jailed and locked up. Everyone else skirting free. Armstrong having a relationship, expedient as may it be, with Sarkozy. Rumsas, fukced over, Armstrong, endorsed.
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http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/are-all-exceptional-performances-suspect
Interesting article written in a fairly balanced perspective.
The plot here:
bases % dirty on a letsrun poll earlier this year (So hardly scientific, but arguable a decent cross section of runners).
Radcliffe was thought about 30% to be dirty. I wonder what a poll run now would come out with.
Interesting article written in a fairly balanced perspective.
The plot here:
bases % dirty on a letsrun poll earlier this year (So hardly scientific, but arguable a decent cross section of runners).
Radcliffe was thought about 30% to be dirty. I wonder what a poll run now would come out with.
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when Wiggins was at Garmin i got his email addy from Betsy and I sent him a mail re: Wiggo in that Giro, and Walsh agreed with me. Since this is now about 6 and a half years back, i dont have the correspondence unfortunately.thehog said:
I just dont appreciate the turn-around when he went Armstrong like a carnivore, but deifies those with british passports. its unedifying.
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really should all be moved to about 99.9%Catwhoorg said:http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/are-all-exceptional-performances-suspect
Interesting article written in a fairly balanced perspective.
The plot here:
bases % dirty on a letsrun poll earlier this year (So hardly scientific, but arguable a decent cross section of runners).
Radcliffe was thought about 30% to be dirty. I wonder what a poll run now would come out with.
LetsRun deluded like empire crew.
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Catwhoorg said:http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/are-all-exceptional-performances-suspect
Interesting article written in a fairly balanced perspective.
The plot here:
bases % dirty on a letsrun poll earlier this year (So hardly scientific, but arguable a decent cross section of runners).
Radcliffe was thought about 30% to be dirty. I wonder what a poll run now would come out with.
Records were made to be broken. In many eyes, old WR that have stood up against the best modern science and athletic natural selection can throw at them must have been aided.
Those still current also have their programs, communications, schedules under tight wraps. East German, 1980s US, Chinese Doping programs have been exposed due to good diligence of journalists but also loosening secrecy by the parties over time. Radcliffe (and everyone else on that list) is going through that now... Similar with the 1998 TDF samples this past year.
Information disseminates slowly, and tying together loose ends takes time and luck to come upon otherwise irrelevant details.
It sucks, but unless someone wants to pay my (or anyone's) expenses to dig up skeletons in different closets, we will have to wait for the truth to come out.
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Brits not too welcoming OOC tests today?
https://twitter.com/Mattbrammeier85/status/548172191637196800
https://twitter.com/Mattbrammeier85/status/548172191637196800
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ultimobici said:
Brammeier is commenting on Nikki Harris, his partner, being tested, rather than him himself. Brammeier may be Irish, but Harris is definitely British.
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Libertine Seguros said:
Anyone, be they a doper or vehemently anti doping, would be a little put out by a visit from a tester on Christmas Day.
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ultimobici said:
True, but your post suggested that the problem lay in referring to Brammeier as a Briton, when in fact as he was not the rider tested and the rider tested was indeed a Briton.
In addition to feeling a bit for the riders being subject to testing on Christmas Day, you've got to feel sorry for the tester(s) too - they have to be away from their family on Christmas Day to go to work, knowing that the recipient of the test is going to be even more fed up than usual at having to do it.
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I would not have named Xmas dinner time on my OOC test time sheet, but hey blame the tester for arriving at the time alloted by the athlete.
Instead of celebrating the tester doing his 'work' on Xmas day they are peed off to having to pee ( no mention of blood sample), which must take all of 5 minutes, in to a cup. Ah the harsh life of professional sport.
Instead of celebrating the tester doing his 'work' on Xmas day they are peed off to having to pee ( no mention of blood sample), which must take all of 5 minutes, in to a cup. Ah the harsh life of professional sport.
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Benotti69 said:I would not have named Xmas dinner time on my OOC test time sheet, but hey blame the tester for arriving at the time alloted by the athlete.
Instead of celebrating the tester doing his 'work' on Xmas day they are peed off to having to pee ( no mention of blood sample), which must take all of 5 minutes, in to a cup. Ah the harsh life of professional sport.
NO way in hell are they sending a male collector to do a urine sample for a female. You know the collection protocol yeah? You can't hide your bits from the collector / chaperone. Or do they send 2 x people? Seems very inefficient if so.
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TailWindHome said:
Based on what reasoning?
Have you not seen the group photos and selfies of collectors / chaperones +/- athletes from the 2012 Olympic games?
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