Brits don't dope?

[TheSpud]

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JTl was also started under McQuaid not Cookson.

Impey & Rogers under Cookson, let off... Contador & Armstrong under McQuaid, banned.

This is the McQuaid that told Contador not to say anything .?.?.?.?

JTL may well have started under McQuaid but Cookson oversaw the finish of it - he could easily have buried it.

 

[thehog]

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Just keep on believing what you want to believe, it matters not to me

I'm sure it matters not because you're making things up again.

You could always provide an alternate view with links? But I doubt you can do that.

Armstrong deserves to be forgotten in cycling now,” McQuaid said at a press conference in Geneva Monday midday.

 

[TheSpud]

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Believe what? Facts? yes, I believe the facts. If you want to believe McQuaid didn't ban Armstrong for life and Cookson wasn't offering a reduction, then..... I'm not sure what will help you. Sorry.

As part of getting Armstrong to cough up more info - method in the so called madness.

 

[TheSpud]

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Love the complete revision of history by the hog, with Armstrong and McQuaid

Was McQuaid not President when Armstrong was banned?

McQuaid was againt the USADA process, historical revisionism from theHog which you obviously lap up.

Case closed

No, McQuaid was arguing 'jurisdiction'. He believed he UCI should handle the case not USADA. Ultimately USADA did the work and McQuaid and the UCI enforced the ban with the famous words from McQuaid; "Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling".

In fact wasn't it Cookson who was talking about a reduced ban for Armstrong?

You honestly think the UCI would have opened a case / investigation? That McQuaid would have thrown his poster boy under the bus. Have you forgotten Vrijman?

 

[thehog]

Cookson said that he had been asked by the Cycling Independent Reform Commission, which on Monday released its report into cycling’s doping issues, “to facilitate a further discussion between Lance Armstrong and USADA."

Cookson revealed that this was something he was "happy to do," according to the Daily Telegraph

Good work by Cookson

I wonder if Cookson made any recommendations to UKAD on the other matters in the report? Like excessive cortisone use?

 

[thehog]

Re: revision

Love the complete revision of history by the hog, with Armstrong and McQuaid

Do you think Cookson would ever ban Wiggins? Never

........he would if wiggo had done the stuff lance had...................

Mark L

After seeing the scale of IAAF doping I think Lance did what everyone else was doing which was doping. Wiggins of course was able to climb with Lance in 2009 so that transformation was super scary. Until Froome took the title of the most absurd transformation ever. I'd say Lance, Wiggo, Froome are fairly even on the doping scale with Wiggo and Dawg trying to do their own version of bullying teammates and journalists. The similarities between the 3 are startling.

 

[harryh]

Re: revision

Until Froome took the title of the most absurd transformation ever.

But that is not a bad thing, is it? I mean, his transformation shows that even me and you have a great chance to be something special. And the best part is that it would only take from one night to three weeks (depending on source)

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

To be fair to Hog, Wiggins 2009 is in fact as ridiculous as Froome 2011. From climbing with the best on some stages to defacto winning a GT, this because Conti Scleck and Armstrong were dopings.

L'histoire ce repete...

 

[thehog]

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To be fair to Hog, Wiggins 2009 is in fact as ridiculous as Froome 2011. From climbing with the best on some stages to defacto winning a GT, this because Conti Scleck and Armstrong were dopings.

L'histoire ce repete...

Very true. Just as Lance repeated Festina in a new version, Wiggo decided to repeat Lance in his own version.

2008 Wiggo was deplorable. Most of his road career was.... and then! Boom! Climbing with Shlecks, The Lances and The Contadors. Even mountain jersey bio-passport Pellizottis had trouble keeping up with clean track rider Wiggo, Lol!

 

[Benotti69]

Wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCIuhekQrQ

watch @18:58 mins

Jacob Rees-Mogg, "British don't dope".....................

 

[Catwhoorg]

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It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.

There are plenty of delays in the system. lawyers get double booked etc.
A delay alone is not cause for suspicion of anything untowards.

UKAD cannot announce until the case is finalised, and the appeal window shut. If they is an appeal they cannot talk about it until that is resolved.

 

[The Hitch]

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Wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCIuhekQrQ

watch @18:58 mins

Jacob Rees-Mogg, "British don't dope".....................

He's joking. And it's funny.

Until you realize that this is exactly what people like vickers and others on twitter actually believe.

 

[bobbins]

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It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.

There are plenty of delays in the system. lawyers get double booked etc.
A delay alone is not cause for suspicion of anything untowards.

UKAD cannot announce until the case is finalised, and the appeal window shut. If they is an appeal they cannot talk about it until that is resolved.

While that is true, Stevens ban is nearly up and could have easily have been kept off the radar like they were in the 90s.

 

[blackcat]

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To be fair to Hog, Wiggins 2009 is in fact as ridiculous as Froome 2011. From climbing with the best on some stages to defacto winning a GT, this because Conti Scleck and Armstrong were dopings.

L'histoire ce repete...

Very true. Just as Lance repeated Festina in a new version, Wiggo decided to repeat Lance in his own version.

2008 Wiggo was deplorable. Most of his road career was.... and then! Boom! Climbing with Shlecks, The Lances and The Contadors. Even mountain jersey bio-passport Pellizottis had trouble keeping up with clean track rider Wiggo, Lol!

I know you were not saying Wiggo was clean on the road at one time... but he was never clean on the track nor the road at any stage of his nascent career. He just did not dope full ***

 

[blackcat]

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JTL may well have started under McQuaid but Cookson oversaw the finish of it - he could easily have buried it.

he was the sacrifice to save the herd.

to save the peloton flock from GB, they culled JTL.

its a limited hangout in crisis-communications and propaganda speak

 

[The Carrot]

It's that time of year where absolutely every BBC TV and Radio channel constantly hammer home the annual sporting love-in that is Sports Personality Of The Year (SPOTY). They make it out to be more important than the athletes' sporting achievements. It's really a review of the sporting year which will naturally gloss over the FIFA and IAAF scandals. Scrub that, they'll mention the IAAF thing as a Russian problem. I could try and turn the BBC channels off, but it's not that easy in the UK, or I could just play 'spot the doper' when SPOTY is on the TV on 20th of December.

 

[Catwhoorg]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/ukad-to-rule-on-two-domestic-time-trial-doping-cases-in-coming-weeks-202957

Two Domestic (UK) Time trial cases to be ruled on shortly.

I would guess these are the two cases discussed up thread a bit.

 

[Winterfold]

^^ And CTT only carried out 44 tests in domestic time trials last year. Quite a few riders got tested twice so the hit rate is pretty bad. Seriously disappointing as I did think I was participating in an honestly contested amateur branch of the sport.

Ho hum.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Andrew Hastings banned for 4 years

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/cyclist-andrew-hastings-banned-for-four-years/

Hastings tested positive for two analbolic steroids; metenolone, its metabolite and a metabolite of stanozolol.

Full decision:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6955


If his statement is to be believed, (and I am not sure I do) the stupidity of borrowing a "used syringe" is just so crazy. Being banned is well down on the list of worries I personally would have, even if it was only used for an IM injection.

 

[Catwhoorg]

18 year old Gabreil Evans admits EPO uses

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

Cycling weekly article only. No UKAD link yet. Presumably the process in ongoing.

 

[The Carrot]

Good job it's only juniors and masters then. Of course our elite Brit cycling 'heroes' only need pluck and courage.

 

[MartinGT]

I thought his article to an apology was well written. The keyboard warriors on there made me laugh.

What role models does he have to look upto though Saint Miller et al eh?

He's a kid man, it's sad.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Indeed.

Sad that a talent like that went the wrong route and likely will never be able to put it behind him.

He will get 4 years, of that I think there is no doubt.

 

[Winterfold]

National Junior TT champion (or was), so elite in the making. There's a statement from him on timetriallingforum

 

[MartinGT]

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=106161&hl