Brits don't dope?

[blackcat]

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Some fragments from an article on drug use in British sport from the 1960s onwards.
Reference:
Waddington, Ivan. 2005. "Changing Patterns of Drug Use in British Sport from the 1960s". In: Sport in History Volume 25, Issue 3, 472-496.

In December 1987, The Times newspaper published a three-part investigation into doping in British sport.
...
The Times characterized the history of drug taking among British
athletes during the previous fifteen years as involving three processes: ‘the
spread from the throwing events to all the track and field disciplines; the
spread from international down towards club level and the involvement of
youngsters; and official connivance to cheat the testing system’.
...
'In the 1980s, with increasingly sophisticated
products, the athlete using drugs is as likely to be a long jumper as a
hammer-thrower and even the once sacrosanct middle- and long-distance
events are not immune’
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Among the athletes with whom The Times spoke was Dave Abrahams, a former United Kingdom indoor record-holder in the high jump. Abrahams described the journey home following the 1982 Common-
wealth Games in Brisbane, Australia: ‘On the plane back, most of the
English team were talking about drugs. I’d say 80 per cent of them were,
or had been on them.’ John Docherty, a former Scottish international 400-
metre hurdler who at the time lived in the south of England, said that
drug taking was already spreading down from the elite level to Southern
League athletics
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It is clear that, by this time, there was already developing in at least
some sports within Britain a culture that was shared by some athletes and
coaches and which involved not only an acceptance of doping but also a
significant degree of organization to obtain drugs and avoid detection.
[Peter] Coni described overseas training camps involving British athletes in which
athletes ‘sat down with their coach to work through the coming
competitive season, dividing up between them the events at which testing
might occur so that each would have ‘‘come off ’’ drugs for only the
minimum period to evade the risk of detection if called for testing’.
Clearly there was already a substantial demand for, and use of,
performance-enhancing drugs by British athletes; a particularly striking
revelation by Coni related to a training camp in Portugal in the early
1980s at which the local chemists’ shops ‘ran out of anabolic steroids because of the purchases by British athletes’

And it goes on like that. Very interesting reading. Makes a complete mockery of the idea of clean (British) top sport. I might post up some more later.

This a fantastic spot, the kind of thing that makes this forum the best place to come to for this kind of "forgotten" info. Please post more if you can find it.

It puts the lie to those that say "well even if there is doping now, there wasn't anything in the 60s / 70s / 80s". Anyone that's read about the history of doping in soccer will know it goes back to the 50s (crude-by-modern-standards "pep" pills in those days).

Wouldn't it be interesting if those Portuguese chemists could identify who was buying the stuff back then!

i really really dont think you guys have really read up on your muscular christianity and gordonstoun. they dont need doping. its just chariots of fire, rowing, and fight them on the beaches rhetoric of muscular christians. dont believe the BS about them doping, its just made up lies. it is not a surprise brailsford hired a swimming/rowing coach to tap into the muscular christianity and marginal gains. its genius. pure british genius. oxbridge #alliterationz

 

[blackcat]

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The Froome dog staying classy:

At his victory speech in 2013 Froome dedicated his win to his mother, who died in 2008, and insisted his victory would stand the test of time. He says he could never betray her memory by cheating. ‘Going back to those British values I was brought up with… I wish I could show everyone that this is the person I am and what they are accusing me of is just beyond me.’ Last month Froome was awarded an OBE, presented by the Duke of Cambridge ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/cycling-champion-chris-froome-on-those-cheating-accusations---an/

stay gold pony boy

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[blackcat]

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The Froome dog staying classy:

At his victory speech in 2013 Froome dedicated his win to his mother, who died in 2008, and insisted his victory would stand the test of time. He says he could never betray her memory by cheating. ‘Going back to those British values I was brought up with… I wish I could show everyone that this is the person I am and what they are accusing me of is just beyond me.’ Last month Froome was awarded an OBE, presented by the Duke of Cambridge ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/cycling-champion-chris-froome-on-those-cheating-accusations---an/

stay gold pony boy

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[blackcat]

wait, is pony boy one word or two words?

can anyone ask SE hinton for me pls

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[Benotti69]

Kenworthy admits UKAD made a 'mistake' on Dr Bonar! Wonder how many 'mistakes' they have made on UK athletes and other Doctors......

 

[sniper]

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didn't Pat/verdrugger make a 'mistake' on Lance, too?
great metaphor for doping facilitation and corruption.

 

[budegan]

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motodoping...

"It is a bigger advantage than doping"

Rob Hayles

Hayles would know....

zing

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/think-youve-got-takes-pro-rider-new-reality-tv-show-looking-233760?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Watch out Simon Cowell, here comes Haematocrit Hayles.

 

[sniper]

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...
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/think-youve-got-takes-pro-rider-new-reality-tv-show-looking-233760?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Watch out Simon Cowell, here comes Haematocrit Hayles.

ow, *** me, these guys are taking the piss so hard.
if that program is ever aired, please let's agree on a collective boycot.

 

[budegan]

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...
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/think-youve-got-takes-pro-rider-new-reality-tv-show-looking-233760?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Watch out Simon Cowell, here comes Haematocrit Hayles.

ow, **** me, these guys are taking the piss so hard.
if that program is ever aired, please let's agree on a collective boycot.

If you enjoyed that then how about this...

 

[sniper]

the last one "learn to ride a bike" is actually quite funny.

 

[blackcat]

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motodoping...

"It is a bigger advantage than doping"

Rob Hayles

Hayles would know....

zing

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/think-youve-got-takes-pro-rider-new-reality-tv-show-looking-233760?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Watch out Simon Cowell, here comes Haematocrit Hayles.

haematocrit hayles alliterationz, lol

raise you haematocrit hayles hypocrite alliterationz

 

[budegan]

Re: Re:

motodoping...

"It is a bigger advantage than doping"

Rob Hayles

Hayles would know....

zing

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/think-youve-got-takes-pro-rider-new-reality-tv-show-looking-233760?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Watch out Simon Cowell, here comes Haematocrit Hayles.

haematocrit hayles alliterationz, lol

raise you haematocrit hayles hypocrite alliterationz

I like this.

Hysterically High Haematocrit Hayles Hypocrite.

 

[blackcat]

Hayles is Cav's own Motoman no?

 

[MartinGT]

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Hayles is Cav's own Motoman no?

I was once riding in the Peak District and heard a moped approaching behind me. This moped came past with two spare wheels on the back followed by Cav! It was Hayles on it :lol:

 

[MartinGT]

*** me, last night I watched a local Crit which was won by Scott Thwaite's, its one of his local crits. The Elite race was interesting to say the least. A young local Junior who no doubt has massive talent was leading the laps almost all the way. He was only taken on the last couple of laps by Scott Thwaites (winner) and Tom Moses of JLT.

 

[blackcat]

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Hayles is Cav's own Motoman no?

I was once riding in the Peak District and heard a moped approaching behind me. This moped came past with two spare wheels on the back followed by Cav! It was Hayles on it :lol:

I am sure Hayles prolly arranges the "deliveries"... dont you Rob.

 

[bikenrrd]

A lot of riders pulled out before the start of the national champs TT yesterday. For TTs this normally implies that the tester is present, and those not starting are not confident they wouldn't trip a test. List of non-starters: George Atkins, Mark Christian, Owain Doull, Steven Burke, Dan McLay, and last year's silver medallist Ed Bradbury.
Anyone have any other info on why they might not have started? The weather didn't look particularly poor in the photos.

 

[smaryka]

Bradbury didn't make the journey for whatever reason, so it wasn't like he was already there and chose not to start. He rode a club 10 the other day saying something about it being only his first ride on a TT bike in months, so that's probably why he didn't bother.

No idea about the others.

 

[Benotti69]

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Bradbury didn't make the journey for whatever reason, so it wasn't like he was already there and chose not to start. He rode a club 10 the other day saying something about it being only his first ride on a TT bike in months, so that's probably why he didn't bother.

No idea about the others.

Considering it is his nationals and a big event surely his team sponsors would want him to attend. But maybe UKAD announced well in advance there would be testing, as per usual.

 

[smaryka]

There's always testing at the BC national champs.

Speaking as a race organiser and someone who also races at a high level domestically, I can tell you that with these domestic teams, the manager will just enter all his/her riders who are likely to want to race by the deadline and find out later if they can/will go. Not uncommon to see riders not at the start who were on the start sheet (and national entries close a month before so there's no choice to enter last minute). It's relatively cheap to enter, something like £25/rider, so many teams will just pay it and not worry if some of their riders don't race.

Note I'm not defending any non-starters or saying he/she is or isn't doping, just telling you how it works at the domestic level.

 

[Benotti69]

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There's always testing at the BC national champs.

Speaking as a race organiser and someone who also races at a high level domestically, I can tell you that with these domestic teams, the manager will just enter all his/her riders who are likely to want to race by the deadline and find out later if they can/will go. Not uncommon to see riders not at the start who were on the start sheet (and national entries close a month before so there's no choice to enter last minute). It's relatively cheap to enter, something like £25/rider, so many teams will just pay it and not worry if some of their riders don't race.

Note I'm not defending any non-starters or saying he/she is or isn't doping, just telling you how it works at the domestic level.

Cheers.

There may be different levels of testing. So maybe they are taking blood as well as urine this time?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

BC backhand mafia lack of transparency again contested:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/british-cycling-unprofessional-and-disrespectful-says-simmonds-after-olympics-snub/

Hayley Simmonds celebrated a second straight British national time trial title on Thursday, but on Friday she had to stomach the news that she won't be going to Rio this summer to represent her country at the Olympic Games. Having not, she says, been personally informed of the decision, the 27-year-old hit out at British Cycling, accusing the federation of 'unprofessionalism' and of failing athletes by not giving them "fair opportunity to utilise their talent".
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The selectors instead opted for Emma Pooley, who has recently come out of retirement but only raced two events prior to the national time trial, where she was a minute slower than Simmonds over the 34.7km course.

 

[thehog]

Brits don't dope? They certainly don't know how to vote properly

 

[Catwhoorg]

Brits don't dope? They certainly don't know how to vote properly

You don't vote for Kings!

 

[Homo Helveticus]

They should rename the British Anti-Doping agency, whatever its name is, to British Anti-Doping Agency for Scrupulous Sport (B.A.D.A.S.S.).