Brits don't dope?

[buckle]

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Anyone know of any famous British doping doctors? I mean, I've heard of Leinders, Ferrari, Fuentes et al. Of the top of my head I can't remember any pro rider scandals involving British doctors.

Not saying they don't exist....just wondering where they are.

Frank Buckley the coach of the 1930's Wolves soccer team was approached by the scientist Menzies Sharp to implement a highly successful doping program.

 

[gooner]

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Two new cases appeared at UKAD sicne my last check.

A professional footballer (Alan Judge of Brentford FC) getting a warning and a period of targeted testing for Salbutamol. (he was found to be under the "No significant fault or negligence" level). Sad really that a professional sportsman is so ignorant of the allowed levels of a medication.

Link:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/7157

Alan Judge is British?

 

[kwikki]

Re: Re:

Anyone know of any famous British doping doctors? I mean, I've heard of Leinders, Ferrari, Fuentes et al. Of the top of my head I can't remember any pro rider scandals involving British doctors.

Not saying they don't exist....just wondering where they are.

Well Bonar the Incompetent thought he was one I suppose. The latest on him is herehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3690816/Doctor-centre-sports-doping-allegations-guilty-misconduct-treatment-cancer-patient.html and he will be minding his back for a while.

The Idiot Bonar was exposed treating a 3rd Cat fantasist. Bonar said he treated TdF riders but so far (no thanks to UKAD) we have no idea if this is true or Bonar self-promoting

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Two new cases appeared at UKAD sicne my last check.

A professional footballer (Alan Judge of Brentford FC) getting a warning and a period of targeted testing for Salbutamol. (he was found to be under the "No significant fault or negligence" level). Sad really that a professional sportsman is so ignorant of the allowed levels of a medication.

Link:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/7157

Alan Judge is British?

*checks wiki*
Irish ? Oh I didn't actually know that.

It was just that he was popped in the UK.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

Anyone know of any famous British doping doctors? I mean, I've heard of Leinders, Ferrari, Fuentes et al. Of the top of my head I can't remember any pro rider scandals involving British doctors.

Not saying they don't exist....just wondering where they are.

Frank Buckley the coach of the 1930's Wolves soccer team was approached by the scientist Menzies Sharp to implement a highly successful doping program.

I hadn't heard of Buckley and took a peek here - https://www.dora.dmu.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/2086/4617/Frank%20Buckley%20Essay.pdf?sequence=3
Pages 9 & 10 seem to be the relevant ones. Incidentally, how interesting that the "implantation of 'Monkey glands' had been popularised by the Russian Serge Voronoff in the 1920s."

 

[kwikki]

I was thinking of British doctors in the time frame of 1999 onwards.

 

[gooner]

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Two new cases appeared at UKAD sicne my last check.

A professional footballer (Alan Judge of Brentford FC) getting a warning and a period of targeted testing for Salbutamol. (he was found to be under the "No significant fault or negligence" level). Sad really that a professional sportsman is so ignorant of the allowed levels of a medication.

Link:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/7157

Alan Judge is British?

*checks wiki*
Irish ? Oh I didn't actually know that.

It was just that he was popped in the UK.

I know. Easy mistake.

 

[buckle]

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I was thinking of British doctors in the time frame of 1999 onwards.

An East German doctor was employed by the British rowing team. A pattern emerges where foreign doctors possess the necessary expertise so sports organisations look abroad. Perhaps rugby is the sports where the doping programs are run from home.

 

[thehog]

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I was thinking of British doctors in the time frame of 1999 onwards.

An East German doctor was employed by the British rowing team. A pattern emerges where foreign doctors possess the necessary expertise so sports organisations look abroad. Perhaps rugby is the sports where the doping programs are run from home.

Ron Roddan a laboratory assistant who coached Linford Christies transformation is thought to have been a supplier to Christie and others in the UK.

Ron Roddan was the coach of Linford Christie OBE, the former sprinter from the United Kingdom, who he began coaching in 1979.[1] A former Civil Service laboratory assistant, Roddan was himself a sprinter in the Fifties and Sixties. During his coaching career, he has had more than 30 athletes selected for the British team.

He said a suggestion that the Olympic gold medallist's impressive physique may have been due to taking steroids or other performance-enhancing banned substances was "ridiculous".

Mr Roddan, described by the athlete as "my coach, my best friend and my second father", was giving evidence on the third day of Mr Christie's libel action in London over a 1995 article by John McVicar.

 

[kwikki]

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I was thinking of British doctors in the time frame of 1999 onwards.

An East German doctor was employed by the British rowing team. A pattern emerges where foreign doctors possess the necessary expertise so sports organisations look abroad. Perhaps rugby is the sports where the doping programs are run from home.

Probably. From whispers I hear from the rugby world, very little sophistication is required.

Sophistication in doping is required for one reason only

 

[buckle]

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Anyone know of any famous British doping doctors? I mean, I've heard of Leinders, Ferrari, Fuentes et al. Of the top of my head I can't remember any pro rider scandals involving British doctors.

Not saying they don't exist....just wondering where they are.

Frank Buckley the coach of the 1930's Wolves soccer team was approached by the scientist Menzies Sharp to implement a highly successful doping program.

I hadn't heard of Buckley and took a peek here - https://www.dora.dmu.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/2086/4617/Frank%20Buckley%20Essay.pdf?sequence=3
Pages 9 & 10 seem to be the relevant ones. Incidentally, how interesting that the "implantation of 'Monkey glands' had been popularised by the Russian Serge Voronoff in the 1920s."

The poet WB Yeats had a monkey gland procedure to enhance his failing virility.The point being that it was not an uncommon procedure back in the 1930's.

I expect this post to be wiped given that Yeats was a) a Nobel prize winner for literature and b) Irish.

Totally off topic.

Would it be helpful to mention that the Nobel prize winner for literature Albert Camus played in goal for the Algerian national football team? It is uncertain, however, if doping products were involved during his brief foray into international sport.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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Anyone know of any famous British doping doctors? I mean, I've heard of Leinders, Ferrari, Fuentes et al. Of the top of my head I can't remember any pro rider scandals involving British doctors.

Not saying they don't exist....just wondering where they are.

Frank Buckley the coach of the 1930's Wolves soccer team was approached by the scientist Menzies Sharp to implement a highly successful doping program.

I hadn't heard of Buckley and took a peek here - https://www.dora.dmu.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/2086/4617/Frank%20Buckley%20Essay.pdf?sequence=3
Pages 9 & 10 seem to be the relevant ones. Incidentally, how interesting that the "implantation of 'Monkey glands' had been popularised by the Russian Serge Voronoff in the 1920s."

The poet WB Yeats had a monkey gland procedure to enhance his failing virility.The point being that it was not an uncommon procedure back in the 1930's.

I expect this post to be wiped given that Yeats was a) a Nobel prize winner for literature and b) Irish.

Totally off topic.

Would it be helpful to mention that the Nobel prize winner for literature Albert Camus played in goal for the Algerian national football team? It is uncertain, however, if doping products were involved during his brief foray into international sport.

Let's hope it's not wiped. Turning and turning in the widening gyre it's almost on topic, linked to the pesky doping British pre-war footballers at Wolves.

 

[buckle]

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Anyone know of any famous British doping doctors? I mean, I've heard of Leinders, Ferrari, Fuentes et al. Of the top of my head I can't remember any pro rider scandals involving British doctors.

Not saying they don't exist....just wondering where they are.

Frank Buckley the coach of the 1930's Wolves soccer team was approached by the scientist Menzies Sharp to implement a highly successful doping program.

I hadn't heard of Buckley and took a peek here - https://www.dora.dmu.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/2086/4617/Frank%20Buckley%20Essay.pdf?sequence=3
Pages 9 & 10 seem to be the relevant ones. Incidentally, how interesting that the "implantation of 'Monkey glands' had been popularised by the Russian Serge Voronoff in the 1920s."

The poet WB Yeats had a monkey gland procedure to enhance his failing virility.The point being that it was not an uncommon procedure back in the 1930's.

I expect this post to be wiped given that Yeats was a) a Nobel prize winner for literature and b) Irish.

Totally off topic.

Would it be helpful to mention that the Nobel prize winner for literature Albert Camus played in goal for the Algerian national football team? It is uncertain, however, if doping products were involved during his brief foray into international sport.

Let's hope it's not wiped. Turning and turning in the widening gyre it's almost on topic, linked to the pesky doping British pre-war footballers at Wolves.

I forget to mention in the interesting link you sent the role of the military in doping which the Wolves case infers. The use of doping products in war time is well known and it's not an illogical step from the battle to the sports field. Especially for those (Major Buckley) who saw at first hand their benefit to men facing extreme physical pressure.

 

[wrinklyvet]

@buckle
Good points, thank you!

 

[Mayo from Mayo]

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I was thinking of British doctors in the time frame of 1999 onwards.

Not post 1999 but there was Dr Jimmy Ledingham who was alleged to have supplied Alan Wells. Jimmy was medical officer to British athletics team at the Moscow Olympics but would obviously have had no contact whatsoever with any head of the IAAF.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32883944

 

[Benotti69]

Lizzie Armistead missed 3 OOC tests. Had 1 struck out..................



British Cycling paid for her defence lawyers!

Why not pay for JTLs?

The cesspit stinks.

 

[Rollthedice]

Lizzie Armistead missed 3 OOC tests. Had 1 struck out..................

How come there was no reports on this? Apparently she was suspended from 11jul., maybe I missed it.

 

[Chaddy]

You didn't fancy posting anything about her case then?

Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am.
Having been refused the information by the hotel, he then attempted to contact Armitstead on a mobile phone that the cyclist had put on silent while she slept.
No further attempts, it appears, were then made by the testing official and a missed test was logged with UKAD.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3718410/Lizzie-Armitstead-wins-court-fight-compete-Rio-Olympics-UK-anti-doping-wanted-four-year-ban-three-missed-tests.html#ixzz4G7ZZu6e8
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[Rollthedice]

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You didn't fancy posting anything about her case then?

Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am.
Having been refused the information by the hotel, he then attempted to contact Armitstead on a mobile phone that the cyclist had put on silent while she slept.
No further attempts, it appears, were then made by the testing official and a missed test was logged with UKAD.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3718410/Lizzie-Armitstead-wins-court-fight-compete-Rio-Olympics-UK-anti-doping-wanted-four-year-ban-three-missed-tests.html#ixzz4G7ZZu6e8
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She missed other two. Damn those doped Russians.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Lizzie Armistead missed 3 OOC tests. Had 1 struck out..................

How come there was no reports on this? Apparently she was suspended from 11jul., maybe I missed it.

There was basically nothing. I just assumed she wasn't on startlists cos she was preparing for Rio.

British Cycling working directly against UKAD in order to clear her is bizarre. That said, while the silent phone reeks of Mo's doorbell, she *was* tested a day later at the Vårgårda World Cup apparently. I've had plenty to say about the way British Cycling has swept its previous road women under the carpet to present Armitstead as some kind of pioneer in the past even as they've managed to alienate Lizzie with some of their actions anyway, and I've been pretty transparent about the fact that I don't like her which clouds my judgement as well, but their working counter to their own anti-doping authority on her behalf is going to create more questions about BC than the actual circumstances of the incident involving Lizzie that led to the missed test which was while she was riding for her trade team rather than BC anyway (besides, that explains one, what about the other two?).

 

[wrinklyvet]

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You didn't fancy posting anything about her case then?

Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am.
Having been refused the information by the hotel, he then attempted to contact Armitstead on a mobile phone that the cyclist had put on silent while she slept.
No further attempts, it appears, were then made by the testing official and a missed test was logged with UKAD.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3718410/Lizzie-Armitstead-wins-court-fight-compete-Rio-Olympics-UK-anti-doping-wanted-four-year-ban-three-missed-tests.html#ixzz4G7ZZu6e8
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She missed other two. Damn those doped Russians.

Rules are rules. If an athlete misses three tests in the space of 12 months, that amounts to an anti-doping rule violation. which could mean up to a four-year ban. As you say, the outcome is that she misses just two. Folks will be sticking up for UKAD next, surprise surprise, even though CAS decided their procedure had been rubbish (my words not theirs, but that's what it meant).

 

[Rollthedice]

BC covering up doping, that is what I understand. You just can't miss three tests if you are clean.

 

[Billie]

All riders have the right to compete in cycling knowing that they, and their competitors, are clean.

British Cycling believes in clean cycling and works in partnership with UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) and the UCI to ensure that the integrity of our sport is protected.

The use of performance-enhancing drugs and other doping behaviour severely damages the legitimacy of cycling and undermines the integrity of clean riders.

The fundamental anti-doping principle of strict liability means that a rider is responsible for their conduct, the decisions they make and the results of any test they undergo regardless of whether or not they intended to cheat.

It is therefore important that all riders conduct themselves within the rules and make informed decisions to ensure they race clean using.

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/antidoping

Never heard of a national federation paying lawyers to go up against their own anti doping agency

 

[wrinklyvet]

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BC covering up doping, that is what I understand. You just can't miss three tests if you are clean.

BC are entitled to stick up for their own rider if she is unfairly treated, as CAS effectively decided she was.

 

[Benotti69]

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You didn't fancy posting anything about her case then?

Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead's room number at her team hotel in Sweden at around 6am.
Having been refused the information by the hotel, he then attempted to contact Armitstead on a mobile phone that the cyclist had put on silent while she slept.
No further attempts, it appears, were then made by the testing official and a missed test was logged with UKAD.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3718410/Lizzie-Armitstead-wins-court-fight-compete-Rio-Olympics-UK-anti-doping-wanted-four-year-ban-three-missed-tests.html#ixzz4G7ZZu6e8
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No more to say. Armsistead is imo doping.

Do i believe her claim to be sleeping. Nope.

Do i trust CAS, who the head of is a Vice President of the IOC.

Why does British cycling favour some riders over others?