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I am a US national by domicile, as my mother was in the US when I was born.
Perhaps I should have put 'what domicile means in this context' or 'domicile of origin' in my post. You clearly understand this principle as you demonstrate it to Sam in a subsequent post.
fmk_RoI said:
I am a US national by domicile, as my mother was in the US when I was born.
Perhaps I should have put 'what domicile means in this context' or 'domicile of origin' in my post. You clearly understand this principle as you demonstrate it to Sam in a subsequent post.
My point was connecting my birth in Italy to Froome's birth in Kenya. Neither affected my British Passport and being British because my British Nationality is decided by having British parents and grandparents, which are effectively identical to Froome's other than Froome's grandparents emigrated.
Well it's often the Tax Department, rather than the police who capture criminals - There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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yep they're the best but they're the cleanest too. Doesn't make sense of course but we're not allowed to assume anything or use any common sense because they never get caught. Lots of suspicious behaviour but no hard evidence. Too bad the British anti doping and law enforcement isn't as stern as they are in Austria.
ebandit said:
yep they're the best but they're the cleanest too. Doesn't make sense of course but we're not allowed to assume anything or use any common sense because they never get caught. Lots of suspicious behaviour but no hard evidence. Too bad the British anti doping and law enforcement isn't as stern as they are in Austria.
- Dec 22, 2017
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Why would the Police get involved?
Even if Sky were caught with needles hanging out of their arms it wouldn't constitute a criminal offence.
If you are going to opine on doping, there is little hope if you cant even get the basics right....let alone any of the technical and nuanced issues.
Benotti69 said:
Why would the Police get involved?
Even if Sky were caught with needles hanging out of their arms it wouldn't constitute a criminal offence.
If you are going to opine on doping, there is little hope if you cant even get the basics right....let alone any of the technical and nuanced issues.
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- Dec 22, 2017
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Yawn.
They dope as much or as little as everybody else, because they are people...just like everybody else. This has been done to death for what seems like an eternity.
If you want to try your hand at identity baiting at least try and find a novel way of doing it that isnt so boring and predictable.
They dope as much or as little as everybody else, because they are people...just like everybody else. This has been done to death for what seems like an eternity.
If you want to try your hand at identity baiting at least try and find a novel way of doing it that isnt so boring and predictable.
- May 23, 2009
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Revisit clinic threads early after Wigans' and Froome's transformations and you'll find plenty of quotes from 2012 bandwagon fans telling us otherwise - that the British are as pure as the driven snow - whence this thread.
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There is a difference between believing Wiggins or Froome are clean, and believing Wiggins or Froome are clean because they are British.
You will find plenty of the former, which frankly is normal, but I'm very sceptical that you will find many of the latter.
It isnt a sentiment I have heard expressed for decades. British exceptionalism exists, but not so much in the realm of pro cycling, which has a poor reputation in this country.
- May 23, 2009
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There were a fair few here for a while - eg: Oldcrank, EnacheV, Sam Hocking were a few more prominent ones, but the more rabid ones were booted fairly early. One even started a thread called "This has to stop" in a teary "leave Britney alone" vein in support of Wigans. It got pretty funny while it lasted.
- Dec 22, 2017
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It is to be expected that supporters support, especially given the excitement of a British Tour winner in a sport that had been almost completely overlooked in the UK. But are you sure that their certainty of Wiggans's propriety was based on his nationality?
Seriously, I have not heard people express this. *In my club, for example, there were many people who dismissed doping insinuations, but purely on the basis of no evidence which they considered to be concrete (ie. a pozzy test or a police bust) I've never heard people claim that British riders are clean because the British dont or wouldnt cheat.
*...and yes, you and I might think differently to them about the evidence but that isnt the point.
Seriously, I have not heard people express this. *In my club, for example, there were many people who dismissed doping insinuations, but purely on the basis of no evidence which they considered to be concrete (ie. a pozzy test or a police bust) I've never heard people claim that British riders are clean because the British dont or wouldnt cheat.
*...and yes, you and I might think differently to them about the evidence but that isnt the point.
- May 23, 2009
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Nope, nationalism. The shade they threw at anyone and everyone else at the slightest hint of foul play was laughable.
Having said that, there were also a fair share of Sky fans who understood the history cycling has right from the start as well as fans who have accepted the reality over time.
But long story short, yes, this forum has seen its share of "STFU everyone, they'd never ever dope, they're British".
Having said that, there were also a fair share of Sky fans who understood the history cycling has right from the start as well as fans who have accepted the reality over time.
But long story short, yes, this forum has seen its share of "STFU everyone, they'd never ever dope, they're British".
I think you're confusing defending a rider alleged to be guilty of something when there isn't evidence to charge him with or has been cleared of an offence and blindly defending a rider caught doping simply because they're of the same nationality. Clearly some do blindly defend on nationality, but I would never defend e.g. JTL for EPO based on Nationality when the evidence is clearly illegal doping and cheating the rules.
On the other hand this forum has been going after Froome for nearly a decade. And all you have to support you opinion after posting daily about it is an asthma inhaler. Such avenues as faked crashed to hide a silent ban (in which has been allowed to ride) and other crackpot theories have been qiven credence. But according to you anyone who disagrees with this unsubstantiated opinion must be some sort of nationalists.
Maybe the reason for the most defences being of British riders is because 90% of the accusations are about them. And those accusations are a nationalism of it's own kind. Targeting one particular nation.
Oh, I did. But I accidently replied to the wrong post. That should have been for the post after.
- May 23, 2009
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Readily prepared to admit that the "faked crash" conspiracy was exactly that - a ludicrous conspiracy.
90% of the accusations though? No. Threads were drawn out ad nauseum due to excessive protestations and the need to repeat justification for concern again and again (and again)
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I take it the accusations were refuted simply on the basis that the riders were British, and therefore doping was impossible?
If there was any other reason given, such as lack of evidence or that the putative infringement did not contravene rules, then the assertion that British people claim a higher moral standing is wrong.
As you say, nationalism may be at play here, but perhaps not in the way you suggest
If there was any other reason given, such as lack of evidence or that the putative infringement did not contravene rules, then the assertion that British people claim a higher moral standing is wrong.
As you say, nationalism may be at play here, but perhaps not in the way you suggest
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