Teams & Riders Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

[Pricey_sky]

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I still wonder if he's downplaying that he's the clear favourite, saying that Dumoulin can easily take a lot of time during the time-trial. He doesn't seem as confident as I expected him to be.

He's been very upbeat and confident - frankly his emotional state after today suggests he allowed himself to think he's won, so may now be going in to a more protective approach.

I wondered if the emotional state was more that he put everything into the last 15 k and he is still only 2' 11" ahead of Dumoulin!

I think taking 2’31 out of Dumoulin in 2 weeks (if you start counting after the opening TT) is pretty good, especially as Dumoulin can watch his power meter and ride his own tempo very well, much like Froome used to do when he wasn’t quite at his best.

It’s typically hard to take a huge amount of time off those types of riders.

I don’t think many would have predicted that Dumoulin wouldn’t be in pink after this TT tomorrow. Now he’s in a position where Dumoulin has to drop him uphill, which he hasn’t looked remotely close to doing so far.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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The most dominant GT performance since Nibali in 2014, or Froome in 2013, or Contador 2011. Wow. Fully expect him to be within a minute of dumoulin on tuesday and take another stage at least.

And then never reach this level again

In a way, it reminds one of Kruijswijk in 2016. Difference is that I think Yates is the much bigger talent with the much bigger repertoire. The surprise if them doing THIS well is probably about the same for now tho. Any snow walls on Finestre?

I don't think its in Nibz, Froome or Contador league just yet. They were scary, scary dominant in those GTs you are referring to. I wanna see at least one more display by Yates.

 

[Red Rick]

Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Vuelta and then on to the Worlds. Not sure of his prep races yet.

 

[Red Rick]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Vuelta and then on to the Worlds. Not sure of his prep races yet.

That seems like the right and easy call. Vuelta for GC?

 

[The Hegelian]

Yates has ridden with incredible panache, attacking in the magila rosa, taking stages - and not always waiting for the finale. Have to say: if he was Colombian, people would be going berserk with joy and praise. But being Anglo on an Anglo team, the response is muted at best. Or is there some other reason??

I'm happy to offer a big chapeau. He's ridden with a lot of heart.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Vuelta and then on to the Worlds. Not sure of his prep races yet.

That seems like the right and easy call. Vuelta for GC?

You’d like to think in this form he’d big one of the favourites for the Worlds on that course, not sure if riding Vuelta for GC is the right call, I suppose it depends what he/the team wants. I personally hope Chavez gets himself back for the Vuelta, Yates can just use it to gain condition and go for a stage.

 

[Netserk]

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Yates has ridden with incredible panache, attacking in the magila rosa, taking stages - and not always waiting for the finale. Have to say: if he was Colombian, people would be going berserk with joy and praise. But being Anglo on an Anglo team, the response is muted at best. Or is there some other reason??

I'm happy to offer a big chapeau. He's ridden with a lot of heart.

If not for the jingo, there would be more hype from others for sure. The big leap forward also makes people hesitate, I think.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Yates has ridden with incredible panache, attacking in the magila rosa, taking stages - and not always waiting for the finale. Have to say: if he was Colombian, people would be going berserk with joy and praise. But being Anglo on an Anglo team, the response is muted at best. Or is there some other reason??

I'm happy to offer a big chapeau. He's ridden with a lot of heart.

Without his never before seen legs his lot of heart would mean nothing.

 

[del1962]

On Yates on flat time trials, on one of half the distance to a Wiggins who came second in worlds behind Tony Martin, with Yates as a 20 year old, he lost 1.30, (2013 TOB), which at that age is not bad (ahead of Quintana on the day) and you have to think he has improved simce then, so I recken 1.15 to 1.45 behind Dumoulin

 

[Blanco]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Possibly, but Yates showed in this Giro that he has way more courage than Quintana ever had. His attack yesterday, for example, is something that I'm afraid we'll never see from Nairo.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Possibly, but Yates showed in this Giro that he has way more courage than Quintana ever had. His attack yesterday, for example, is something that I'm afraid we'll never see from Nairo.

IMO, his level is above peak Quintana at this moment.

 

[yaco]

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Definetly one of the favorites for Innsbruck now.

UK should definitely build their team around Yates x 2, though A.Yates form often tapers off late in the season.

I think he has the ability to go well in late season races though, he's gone well in Canada and last year got 2nd at Milan-Torino (before failing at Lombardy). If he has motivation and targets that race 100% after the TDF I think he'll have a good shot.

Last year A.Yates performance in the back end of the year was an improvement but he was still incredibly disappointing in the Vuelta - Needs to be taken on trust.

 

[yaco]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Vuelta and then on to the Worlds. Not sure of his prep races yet.

Yates is riding the Vuelta - May have a lead up race in San Sebastien and the Tour of Poland - Though he won't be the leader in Poland.

 

[yaco]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Vuelta and then on to the Worlds. Not sure of his prep races yet.

That seems like the right and easy call. Vuelta for GC?

You’d like to think in this form he’d big one of the favourites for the Worlds on that course, not sure if riding Vuelta for GC is the right call, I suppose it depends what he/the team wants. I personally hope Chavez gets himself back for the Vuelta, Yates can just use it to gain condition and go for a stage.

Chaves and S.Yates will both ride the Vuelta - Yates is definitely riding for GC while I doubt Chaves will ride for GC - MS will have a strong team at the Vuelta, though not at the same level as the Giro - Mitchelton Scott will have a few contenders at the World's - Yates x 2, Chaves if in form, Haig should lead the Aussie team, while an inform Kreuziger could do well.

 

[Escarabajo]

Not sure about Chaves schedule anymore. He has other issues to resolve at this moment. I think his schedule could change depending on the evaluation of the sudden drop of performance.

 

[yaco]

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Not sure about Chaves schedule anymore. He has other issues to resolve at this moment. I think his schedule could change depending on the evaluation of the sudden drop of performance.

That's still the plan at the moment - Of course plans change due to injuries/illness etc.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Very solid TT. In a fantastic position and no surprise to hear him say he will be much more defensive now.

 

[yaco]

MS decided in October who would be the team leaders in each of the GTS, and in fact the Giro team was picked at the same time - They didn't even wait for tour presentations to happen.

 

[Bardamu]

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Very solid TT. In a fantastic position and no surprise to hear him say he will be much more defensive now.

I think that even if it doesn't look like it, this Giro is wearing him out and if Dumoulin would have takin the Maglia Rosa, it would have been more difficult to take time on Dumoulin in the last couple of days than in the last two weeks.

 

[Red Rick]

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Honestly, I don't think Yates is climbing better than Quintana when he finally doesn't mess up a peak, and I'd definitely back Quintana in the hard mountains.

Anyway, any info on what Yates' plans were for the 2nd half of the season? I imagine the Vuelta suits him brilliantly.

Possibly, but Yates showed in this Giro that he has way more courage than Quintana ever had. His attack yesterday, for example, is something that I'm afraid we'll never see from Nairo.

IMO, his level is above peak Quintana at this moment.

You mean the peak Quintana who has the fastest times on AdH and Lagos de Covadonga this decade is the inferior climber?

Sure.

 

[dusty red roads]

Maybe he was referring to the Quintana who rode the 2017 Giro.

 

[del1962]

Simon Yates is much more an attacking rider than Quintana, though I think Quintana is the better climber, though not by much

 

[jaylew]

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Simon Yates is much more an attacking rider than Quintana, though I think Quintana is the better climber, though not by much

Don't agree with this at all. We've seen Nairo attack many, many times in the mountains.

 

[claude cat]

We haven't seen much attacking from Quintana in the last couple of years. Sadly.