Teams & Riders Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

[tobydawq]

Optimism turned to realism:

“Maybe I should be the one shitting myself then, about Roglič,”

 

[claude cat]

Re:

Optimism turned to realism:

“Maybe I should be the one shitting myself then, about Roglič,”

I doubt he's too stressed.

 

[Lequack]

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Frustrating day but could have been worse. Most worrying challenger gone which is a plus, but annoying to see a climber win - based on last year Yates has the beating of Carapaz.

 

[Cookster15]

Re: Re:

Optimism turned to realism:

“Maybe I should be the one shitting myself then, about Roglič,”

I doubt he's too stressed.

How did Roglič gain another 16 seconds today? Was it luck due to the crash or was it another sign of his strength? If the latter then I think Yates might be a little more stressed today.

 

[claude cat]

Re: Re:

Optimism turned to realism:

“Maybe I should be the one shitting myself then, about Roglič,”

I doubt he's too stressed.

How did Roglič gain another 16 seconds today? Was it luck due to the crash or was it another sign of his strength? If the latter then I think Yates might be a little more stressed today.

Well obviously it was the crash. Given Roglic was the only GC rider not involved in the crash, I'd say he had a bit of luck.

 

[RedheadDane]

Did Jesper Worre just answer the "big"* question? By mentioning that Simon is a bit more famous that "his younger brother".










*I suppose many of you already knew this, but I've been wondering for years.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Awful.

Giro is now going to be less watchable than the USPGA. Total walk over now.

 

[Poursuivant]

Re:

Awful.

Giro is now going to be less watchable than the USPGA. Total walk over now.

Before there has been a single MTF? Nowhere near over.

Curious to hear why he was so bad today though, might’ve got his pacing wrong. Rather it be that than an injury.

 

[Gigs_98]

Yeah remember when the mountains in 2015 were completely neutralized by Contador smashing the TT. Oh well, there can't be an all out battle in the alps like in 2012 every year

 

[Brullnux]

Gained 20 seconds on the maglia rosa, good platform for the mountains

 

[Valv.Piti]

Karma?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Implosion again. Maybe just conceed Yates is a great puncheur/climber which is why he won the Vuelta. But he's gonna have a horrendously horrible time ever trying to win Giro / Tour. I think he doesn't have the real engine for it

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

Implosion again. Maybe just conceed Yates is a great puncheur/climber which is why he won the Vuelta. But he's gonna have a horrendously horrible time ever trying to win Giro / Tour. I think he doesn't have the real engine for it

Oh c'mon, if you dominate a whole giro and only crack on stage 19 how on earth can you say with certainty he will never win the giro. This was an off day, he has shown time and time again he is actually very decent in longer TT's, and just becuase he messed up today that doesn't change.

 

[movingtarget]

Anyone can have a bad day. Now he has to be good in the final week. Luckily for him he wasn't the only one to do bad amongst the favourites and who knows how Nibali will be in the mountains ? Long way to go.

 

[Sestriere]

Kind of speculative, but imo the conclusion made by Simon and his team after last year's Giro might be wrong. It seems to be the common opinion that his implosion was a result of him attacking uphill at every opportunity to gain time. First of all, I think that his attacks made the race very hard not only for him but also for the other contenders as could be seen by the attrition rate in the third weak. Many were hit hard, unfortunately him as well.
Regardless of this he was riding to his personal strengths last year, which is mainly being very explosive on all kinds of climbs. In the process he gains a few seconds in many stages instead of big chunks of time at once.
This year he is taking a totally different approach, which is doing nothing on every stage that isn't, say, 4 or 5 stars. He clearly tried to improve his TT and probably also his ability for the high mountains. Still, I can't get away from thinking that this isn't really natural for him. I guess we'll have to wait and see but for me it would be like Nibali stating: Attacking above 2000 m is too exhausting, I want to win the Giro now by taking bonus seconds in intermediate sprints. Maybe I'm totally wrong about all of this and it was just an off-day, but I'm worried this approach just doesn't work for him.

 

[Poursuivant]

Re:

Kind of speculative, but imo the conclusion made by Simon and his team after last year's Giro might be wrong. It seems to be the common opinion that his implosion was a result of him attacking uphill at every opportunity to gain time. First of all, I think that his attacks made the race very hard not only for him but also for the other contenders as could be seen by the attrition rate in the third weak. Many were hit hard, unfortunately him as well.
Regardless of this he was riding to his personal strengths last year, which is mainly being very explosive on all kinds of climbs. In the process he gains a few seconds in many stages instead of big chunks of time at once.
This year he is taking a totally different approach, which is doing nothing on every stage that isn't, say, 4 or 5 stars. He clearly tried to improve his TT and probably also his ability for the high mountains. Still, I can't get away from thinking that this isn't really natural for him. I guess we'll have to wait and see but for me it would be like Nibali stating: Attacking above 2000 m is too exhausting, I want to win the Giro now by taking bonus seconds in intermediate sprints. Maybe I'm totally wrong about all of this and it was just an off-day, but I'm worried this approach just doesn't work for him.

So far though, there’s been no opportunities for him to attack.

 

[Lequack]

More: https://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/yates-loses-time-in-stage-9-time-trial-at-giro-d-italia

 

[Sestriere]

Re: Re:

Kind of speculative, but imo the conclusion made by Simon and his team after last year's Giro might be wrong. It seems to be the common opinion that his implosion was a result of him attacking uphill at every opportunity to gain time. First of all, I think that his attacks made the race very hard not only for him but also for the other contenders as could be seen by the attrition rate in the third weak. Many were hit hard, unfortunately him as well.
Regardless of this he was riding to his personal strengths last year, which is mainly being very explosive on all kinds of climbs. In the process he gains a few seconds in many stages instead of big chunks of time at once.
This year he is taking a totally different approach, which is doing nothing on every stage that isn't, say, 4 or 5 stars. He clearly tried to improve his TT and probably also his ability for the high mountains. Still, I can't get away from thinking that this isn't really natural for him. I guess we'll have to wait and see but for me it would be like Nibali stating: Attacking above 2000 m is too exhausting, I want to win the Giro now by taking bonus seconds in intermediate sprints. Maybe I'm totally wrong about all of this and it was just an off-day, but I'm worried this approach just doesn't work for him.

So far though, there’s been no opportunities for him to attack.

Last year he would've been all over that 1km at 8% in L'Aquila. Also, him and the team have stated that they would take a slower approach to prevent him cracking again.

 

[HelloDolly]

Matt White has so much talent in his team but also there is vulnerability in the Yates and Chaves when it comes to 3 weeks

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

Kind of speculative, but imo the conclusion made by Simon and his team after last year's Giro might be wrong. It seems to be the common opinion that his implosion was a result of him attacking uphill at every opportunity to gain time. First of all, I think that his attacks made the race very hard not only for him but also for the other contenders as could be seen by the attrition rate in the third weak. Many were hit hard, unfortunately him as well.
Regardless of this he was riding to his personal strengths last year, which is mainly being very explosive on all kinds of climbs. In the process he gains a few seconds in many stages instead of big chunks of time at once.
This year he is taking a totally different approach, which is doing nothing on every stage that isn't, say, 4 or 5 stars. He clearly tried to improve his TT and probably also his ability for the high mountains. Still, I can't get away from thinking that this isn't really natural for him. I guess we'll have to wait and see but for me it would be like Nibali stating: Attacking above 2000 m is too exhausting, I want to win the Giro now by taking bonus seconds in intermediate sprints. Maybe I'm totally wrong about all of this and it was just an off-day, but I'm worried this approach just doesn't work for him.

So far though, there’s been no opportunities for him to attack.

Last year he would've been all over that 1km at 8% in L'Aquila. Also, him and the team have stated that they would take a slower approach to prevent him cracking again.

The problem with this is that he also started cracking in the final two stages of last year Vuelta. He lost a good chunk of time to Lopez and Mas in those two stages. He just had a huge lead going into those two stages over everyone except for Valverde who struggled even more on those two stages.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Re: Re:

Kind of speculative, but imo the conclusion made by Simon and his team after last year's Giro might be wrong. It seems to be the common opinion that his implosion was a result of him attacking uphill at every opportunity to gain time. First of all, I think that his attacks made the race very hard not only for him but also for the other contenders as could be seen by the attrition rate in the third weak. Many were hit hard, unfortunately him as well.
Regardless of this he was riding to his personal strengths last year, which is mainly being very explosive on all kinds of climbs. In the process he gains a few seconds in many stages instead of big chunks of time at once.
This year he is taking a totally different approach, which is doing nothing on every stage that isn't, say, 4 or 5 stars. He clearly tried to improve his TT and probably also his ability for the high mountains. Still, I can't get away from thinking that this isn't really natural for him. I guess we'll have to wait and see but for me it would be like Nibali stating: Attacking above 2000 m is too exhausting, I want to win the Giro now by taking bonus seconds in intermediate sprints. Maybe I'm totally wrong about all of this and it was just an off-day, but I'm worried this approach just doesn't work for him.

So far though, there’s been no opportunities for him to attack.

Last year he would've been all over that 1km at 8% in L'Aquila. Also, him and the team have stated that they would take a slower approach to prevent him cracking again.

The problem with this is that he also started cracking in the final two stages of last year Vuelta. He lost a good chunk of time to Lopez and Mas in those two stages. He just had a huge lead going into those two stages over everyone except for Valverde who struggled even more on those two stages.

I think we watched a different couple of stages,he was very strong on stage 19 and just lost out to Pinot who was going for the stage win. He gained more time there than the 20s he lost to Lopez and Mas the following day, when the race was in the bag.

 

[SafeBet]

I think most people are overreacting here. Bad days happen, the ability to recover from them is what separates champions from good riders. Many hard stages yet to come, Giro is not over.

 

[Lequack]

Backstage pass Mitchelton SCOTT
TOUGH TIME TRIAL | 2019 GIRO D'ITALIA STAGE 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY_HjM0sidg

 

[Red Rick]

The reaction from the DS is very telling. They were dying on the inside a little.