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So Adam will ride in the Worlds after all as he replaces Thomas. I guess Simon is on standby in case Cav can't make it.
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Adam confirmed and surely Simon will replace Cav. Hope they are allowed to have a free role and just mix it up 
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Great news. will make it a lot more interesting to watch for me. Am completely ignorant of the Richmond course. Is it a cobbled climb? Length/percentages?
They did both say it wasn't really suited to them when they weren't selected
They did both say it wasn't really suited to them when they weren't selected
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Ya, it's really not suited to them.
Here's an article on the course. You can of course read more on the Worlds thread.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...ds-course-ripe-for-the-classics-riders_318041
postmanhat said:
Ya, it's really not suited to them.
Here's an article on the course. You can of course read more on the Worlds thread.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...ds-course-ripe-for-the-classics-riders_318041
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Looks as if Simon won't be joining GB in Richmond and will instead train in Europe in preparation for Lombardy.
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A few bits and bobs from Adam's interview in Cycling Weekly
- On GTs. the Vuelta is too hot. Giro would probably be best for him. But wants to perform at the Tour.
- Matt White told Adam he was riding the Tour last year, because he confused him for Simon
- On San Sebastian "It's not really a motorbike's fault. They're just doing their job, riding along, and if someone attacks and someone's going backwards - like what happened with me and GVA - where can they go"
Simon revealed he'd got cramps at Lombardia. He did seem to suddenly go backwards
- On GTs. the Vuelta is too hot. Giro would probably be best for him. But wants to perform at the Tour.
- Matt White told Adam he was riding the Tour last year, because he confused him for Simon
- On San Sebastian "It's not really a motorbike's fault. They're just doing their job, riding along, and if someone attacks and someone's going backwards - like what happened with me and GVA - where can they go"
Simon revealed he'd got cramps at Lombardia. He did seem to suddenly go backwards
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Nice quirky interview with the Yates brothers here if you missed it:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/twin-engines-up-close-with-the-yates-brothers/
I certainly learned a lot I didn't know about their respective histories and skill sets. Happy and spectacular days ahead for both of these guys I think.
Will also be interesting to see how Orica handle them with their other young climber, Chavez.
A wee bit concerned that they (the Yates) said they haven't raced against each other. We all saw how that panned out with the Schleck brothers They are still very young and teams will come calling contract time, just hope they don't think they have to ride on the same team all career to protect each other...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/twin-engines-up-close-with-the-yates-brothers/
I certainly learned a lot I didn't know about their respective histories and skill sets. Happy and spectacular days ahead for both of these guys I think.
Will also be interesting to see how Orica handle them with their other young climber, Chavez.
A wee bit concerned that they (the Yates) said they haven't raced against each other. We all saw how that panned out with the Schleck brothers
They are still very young and teams will come calling contract time, just hope they don't think they have to ride on the same team all career to protect each other...We will find out in the next two years if the boys are GC riders - Assuming they are, and Chavez continues his development, it will mean one of the Yates brothers will change teams - The brothers will be given every chance to win a stage in the 2016 TDF - One rides hard and rests the next day and vice-versa - Lots to play out in the next two years
More like Martin, Purito. Neither will win a GT top 5-10 is possible, podium very slim chance. In classics there is a good chance and proven to win
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Yeah but if both yates and Chavez are top 5 GC riders one of them will have to leave - And OGE have an impressive neo pro climber in Rob Power.
IndianCyclist said:
Yeah but if both yates and Chavez are top 5 GC riders one of them will have to leave - And OGE have an impressive neo pro climber in Rob Power.
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Power currently sidelined with bone marrow issues which, whilst not life threatening, are likely to interrupt his progress over the next couple of years. Jack Haig is the other young AUS climber signed by OGE; true capacity and limitations as yet undefined.
Chaves is clearly very much at home at OGE; it will be interesting to see how he builds on his 2015 given that he is now likely to be "marked" more closely at the big races. At this point, the Yates may still have greater licence at the GTs but it may be the case that in 2016, they may look less at stage-hunting and maybe looking more at seeing whether they can "ride with the big boys" on a day to day basis.
yaco said:
Power currently sidelined with bone marrow issues which, whilst not life threatening, are likely to interrupt his progress over the next couple of years. Jack Haig is the other young AUS climber signed by OGE; true capacity and limitations as yet undefined.
Chaves is clearly very much at home at OGE; it will be interesting to see how he builds on his 2015 given that he is now likely to be "marked" more closely at the big races. At this point, the Yates may still have greater licence at the GTs but it may be the case that in 2016, they may look less at stage-hunting and maybe looking more at seeing whether they can "ride with the big boys" on a day to day basis.
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Chavez will be supported by Plaza Molina and Tzurruka at the Giro and the Vuelta - Then you will have a combination of Meier and Keukeliere, Juul-Jensen and Impey for one or both.
Actually Ewan will ride the Giro so you'd expect Mezgec to ride.
Giro team could be something like this
Chavez,Plaza Molina,Tzurruka, Meier, Juul-Jensen, Ewan, Mezgec,Docker and Bewley.
TDF team will be stage hunting
Yates x2, Matthews,Gerrans, Albasini, Hepburn, Hayman, Durbridge and Tuft.
jaylew said:
Chavez will be supported by Plaza Molina and Tzurruka at the Giro and the Vuelta - Then you will have a combination of Meier and Keukeliere, Juul-Jensen and Impey for one or both.
Actually Ewan will ride the Giro so you'd expect Mezgec to ride.
Giro team could be something like this
Chavez,Plaza Molina,Tzurruka, Meier, Juul-Jensen, Ewan, Mezgec,Docker and Bewley.
TDF team will be stage hunting
Yates x2, Matthews,Gerrans, Albasini, Hepburn, Hayman, Durbridge and Tuft.
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Making one of them spend a GT as a domestique sounds a wonderful way to ensure they won't re-sign with OGE.
Chaves had a fabulous end to the year, but the idea he's good enough to deserve support of that quality, or the sort of rider who would derive much benefit from it, is a bit far fetched.
jaylew said:
Making one of them spend a GT as a domestique sounds a wonderful way to ensure they won't re-sign with OGE.
Chaves had a fabulous end to the year, but the idea he's good enough to deserve support of that quality, or the sort of rider who would derive much benefit from it, is a bit far fetched.
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I completely disagree. Firstly, I'm talking about being a a high mtns domestique, not someone slaving away on the flats. And honestly, we don't even know for sure if they'd turn out to be "quality" support as neither of them have experience being up there for 3 weeks. It would let them gain experience trying to ride closer to the pointy end of a GT in all the key stages in a less pressure filled environment than the Tour and if Chaves faltered maybe one could step into his place. At some point you're going to want to see if either has GT chops and it's a better way than throwing them into the heat of the Tour and telling them to stage hunt.Waterloo Sunrise said:
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A great way to do that would be to have one/both of them try to do mtn dom duties for Chaves at the Giro or Vuelta. He could use the support and deserves it, but they'll likely send them just to the Tour.[/quote]
Making one of them spend a GT as a domestique sounds a wonderful way to ensure they won't re-sign with OGE.
Chaves had a fabulous end to the year, but the idea he's good enough to deserve support of that quality, or the sort of rider who would derive much benefit from it, is a bit far fetched.[/quote]
I completely disagree. Firstly, I'm talking about being a a high mtns domestique, not someone slaving away on the flats. And honestly, we don't even know for sure if they'd turn out to be "quality" support as neither of them have experience being up there for 3 weeks. It would let them gain experience trying to ride closer to the pointy end of a GT in all the key stages in a less pressure filled environment than the Tour and if Chaves faltered maybe one could step into his place. At some point you're going to want to see if either has GT chops and it's a better way than throwing them into the heat of the Tour and telling them to stage hunt.[/quote]
I agree another year of Tour stage hunting seems silly, but explicitly working for Chaves on the back of him having a good 2 months after being outperformed by his juniors over the prior 2 years would be pretty hard to swallow in a contract year. They haven't been given opportunity to ride GC yet in a GT, which is perfectly reasonable given their age, but the majority of decent week long WT stage races already have a Yates in the top 10. They've earnt a better shake of the stick than domming for someone with so little consistency.
jaylew said:
A great way to do that would be to have one/both of them try to do mtn dom duties for Chaves at the Giro or Vuelta. He could use the support and deserves it, but they'll likely send them just to the Tour.[/quote]
Making one of them spend a GT as a domestique sounds a wonderful way to ensure they won't re-sign with OGE.
Chaves had a fabulous end to the year, but the idea he's good enough to deserve support of that quality, or the sort of rider who would derive much benefit from it, is a bit far fetched.[/quote]
I completely disagree. Firstly, I'm talking about being a a high mtns domestique, not someone slaving away on the flats. And honestly, we don't even know for sure if they'd turn out to be "quality" support as neither of them have experience being up there for 3 weeks. It would let them gain experience trying to ride closer to the pointy end of a GT in all the key stages in a less pressure filled environment than the Tour and if Chaves faltered maybe one could step into his place. At some point you're going to want to see if either has GT chops and it's a better way than throwing them into the heat of the Tour and telling them to stage hunt.[/quote]
I agree another year of Tour stage hunting seems silly, but explicitly working for Chaves on the back of him having a good 2 months after being outperformed by his juniors over the prior 2 years would be pretty hard to swallow in a contract year. They haven't been given opportunity to ride GC yet in a GT, which is perfectly reasonable given their age, but the majority of decent week long WT stage races already have a Yates in the top 10. They've earnt a better shake of the stick than domming for someone with so little consistency.
To be more blunt - OGE give the Yates brothers a very high level programme where they perform very strongly. Chaves has shown less in general over the last 2 years, until September of this year. He then put in an exceptional performance at a GT with a pretty weak cast of characters. The GT lineups of the team really shouldn't be dictated around him to the detriment of their other talents on that basis.
If Chaves had shown enough to lead a GC attempt at the Vuelta, then either Yates brother has easily done so too and should get opportunities.
If Chaves had shown enough to lead a GC attempt at the Vuelta, then either Yates brother has easily done so too and should get opportunities.
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Yeah, Nairo, Purito, Bala, Aru, Majka, Moreno, Pozzo...it may not have been a Tour field but it wasn't particularly weak for a non-Tour GT startlist.
Sure the Yates' have shown a lot but just as we didn't know if Chaves was going to be cut out for 3 week races, we don't yet know if either of them are. You know as well as I do it could go either way - they could win multiple GTs or they could turn out to be more suited to 1 day races and/or 1 week races.
The way I see it, it's a win for everyone. Why would it be to their detriment? They could ride mtn support and still target a decent GC - it's done all the time. And I'm not talking about some LA/AC/Froome like situation. If Chaves failed and a Yates was obviously stronger the situation could be reversed. Chaves has over 2 years on them - it could take them a bit longer to develop in that area. Anyway, as I mentioned I feel like it would be a better way to see if they're cut out for it than targeting stages again at the Tour where over half the peloton is doing the same, especially when you've got Bling and Gerrans on your team. At the least you have one of them ride for Chaves at one GT, you don't have to design your whole calendar around it.
They get a better chance to try out GT GC-type riding, Chaves isn't alone in the high mountains, and the team has a better chance at a podium.
Relax, nothing against your boys. This isn't about any silly Yates v Chaves comparison or competition. "exceptional performance at a GT with a pretty weak cast of characters."Waterloo Sunrise said:
Yeah, Nairo, Purito, Bala, Aru, Majka, Moreno, Pozzo...it may not have been a Tour field but it wasn't particularly weak for a non-Tour GT startlist.Sure the Yates' have shown a lot but just as we didn't know if Chaves was going to be cut out for 3 week races, we don't yet know if either of them are. You know as well as I do it could go either way - they could win multiple GTs or they could turn out to be more suited to 1 day races and/or 1 week races.
The way I see it, it's a win for everyone. Why would it be to their detriment? They could ride mtn support and still target a decent GC - it's done all the time. And I'm not talking about some LA/AC/Froome like situation. If Chaves failed and a Yates was obviously stronger the situation could be reversed. Chaves has over 2 years on them - it could take them a bit longer to develop in that area. Anyway, as I mentioned I feel like it would be a better way to see if they're cut out for it than targeting stages again at the Tour where over half the peloton is doing the same, especially when you've got Bling and Gerrans on your team. At the least you have one of them ride for Chaves at one GT, you don't have to design your whole calendar around it.
They get a better chance to try out GT GC-type riding, Chaves isn't alone in the high mountains, and the team has a better chance at a podium.
I'm quite excited to see what these two will be able to do in the Olympics Road Race. It's perfect for them and the way Adam came out of the Tour last year to win San Sebastian is very encouraging. Froome and Thomas should be working for them there!
Nice start to the year this weekend with 2 top 10s for Adam and Simon the next Orica rider home.
Same as last year next up, Simon to PN and Adam to TA.
Same as last year next up, Simon to PN and Adam to TA.
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There's the GP Industria first for Adam on Sunday, which he won two years ago, so should be in with a shout. Though Gerrans is there as well so could be the leader?
Interesting in light of he debate above, that Yates is the leader for Tirreno with Chaves as support
Interesting in light of he debate above, that Yates is the leader for Tirreno with Chaves as support
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It's the first running since he won, so I'd expect the team to support the defending champion. As a point of information, the picture of him destroying Formolo in the sprint is still my background image.
Given Chaves gets preference in all grand tours, it's only reasonable Adam and Simon should be leaders next week given their consistent track record of top 10, 5 and 3s in world tour 1 week races.
postmanhat said:
It's the first running since he won, so I'd expect the team to support the defending champion. As a point of information, the picture of him destroying Formolo in the sprint is still my background image.
Given Chaves gets preference in all grand tours, it's only reasonable Adam and Simon should be leaders next week given their consistent track record of top 10, 5 and 3s in world tour 1 week races.
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