Teams & Riders Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

[jaylew]

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Think the brothers are showing more in one day races, so a classic or monument is not outside the realms of possibility - I am still struggling to determine who is the best rider now or who will be the best rider.

We have a natural urge to compare riders and categorize them but I really think that in this case, at least so far, that there is no meaningful difference in the two. Whether it be riding style, relative strength, or skillset, you couldn't convince me at this point that one was really better or significantly different in any way from the other, at least when it comes to stuff on the bike. I think I read somewhere that their personalities are different, however.

 

[Jspear]

Yep it is real fun to compare brothers! Perhaps all we'll be accessing over the years is who has the better palmares. That could depend mainly on luck I guess (crashes, punctures, ect) and opportunity (who goes to what race and who else they're competing against.) Right now I'd take Adam's career....we shall see how things progress.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Are they both going for the Tour this year?

Not seen anything recently, but during the winter they said Adam will ride the Tour, Simon the Giro-Vuelta.

 

[Red Rick]

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Are they both going for the Tour this year?

Not seen anything recently, but during the winter they said Adam will ride the Tour, Simon the Giro-Vuelta.

Oh ok. I think it's good. I don't think the Tour suits them nearly as much very much, especially this one.

 

[yaco]

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I never understood the criticism of Simon as a 'boring' rider on here. He's shown plenty of attacking instincts, often foolishly perhaps, but they came so close to paying off this time. Adam has been a bit more conservative over the past couple of seasons, but has animated the two big races he's been in this year, and would have been in with a shout of winning Tirreno if it wasn't for the crash on stage two.

Neither seemed to progress much last year, and I thought they might end up being good, rather than great GC riders. Too early to say yet if they're heading back towards the latter yet I suppose?

Nope, Simon Yates is an entertaining and attacking rider. Adam on the other hand has gotten a (fair) reputation of being very conservative, mostly just riding at the back without really doing anything. I have been very frustrated with him on a couple of occasions... he looks great this T-A tho, I must admit, thats not too bad! But Im afraid that it will be the same pretty anonymous TdF-performance, just keeping up.

Expect a boring A.Yates at the TDF, as the team will be built around Ewan - Yates will have one or possibly two support riders which will be Howson and Kreuziger - So Adam will need to follow wheels, though MS will bring a good squad for the TTT which will help - On the other hand Chaves and S.Yates will have a strong team at the Giro.

 

[Eli]

I think Simon might have a slightly better sprint owing to his track background with Adam being the slightly better climber.

 

[del1962]

/Any news on the extent of Adam's injury?

 

[jaylew]

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/Any news on the extent of Adam's injury?

Pelvis fracture. Doesn't sound like he'll be out for too long, though.

 

[yaco]

Back on the trainer in 10 days - Shouldn't affect his hopes for the TDF.

 

[del1962]

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Back on the trainer in 10 days - Shouldn't affect his hopes for the TDF.

But will effect his Ardennes chances, which is in some ways more intersting, would have liked to see him in FW

 

[tobydawq]

What the hell are they doing this week?

We wouldn't want El Pisti to become right about his thesis that the best riders skip the Ardennes.

 

[yaco]

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What the hell are they doing this week?

We wouldn't want El Pisti to become right about his thesis that the best riders skip the Ardennes.

A.Yates is recovering from a broken pelvis while S.Yates is preparing for the Giro - Though Simon may have ridden Fleche or LBL - Unless Simon is a last minute addition for LBL.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Juul-Jensen said in an interview with danish media yesterday, that he is not riding the tour, but giro instead, because Mitchelton-Scott is basing their tour squad around Caleb Ewan, and he is not part of the sprint train.

Sounds odd, that the team would just give up all GC hope for the tour?

 

[RedheadDane]

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What the hell are they doing this week?

We wouldn't want El Pisti to become right about his thesis that the best riders skip the Ardennes.

A.Yates is recovering from a broken collarbone while S.Yates is preparing for the Giro - Though Simon may have ridden Fleche or LBL - Unless Simon is a last minute addition for LBL.

Wasn't it the pelvis? Or did he get injured again?

 

[yaco]

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Juul-Jensen said in an interview with danish media yesterday, that he is not riding the tour, but giro instead, because Mitchelton-Scott is basing their tour squad around Caleb Ewan, and he is not part of the sprint train.

Sounds odd, that the team would just give up all GC hope for the tour?

I posted this months ago - There are a couple of factors at play - One the GC rider's were unhappy in 2017 with the teams choice of GC - Each of the GC riders have been given their choice of target - So the Giro and the Vuelta will have strong climbing squads - There are several factors why Ewan is riding the TDF - Being he is ready for the race, MS has an underwhelming record in the TDF, especially stages so they expect Ewan to win a stage and MS is looking for a new sponsor. Related to this is MS needs a marquee Australian rider - Also A.Yates is happy to ride the TDF with limited support, though Kreuziger will be a valuable ally - MS can do a good TTT which can place A.Yates in a good position in the early stages of the GC battle.

 

[yaco]

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What the hell are they doing this week?

We wouldn't want El Pisti to become right about his thesis that the best riders skip the Ardennes.

A.Yates is recovering from a broken collarbone while S.Yates is preparing for the Giro - Though Simon may have ridden Fleche or LBL - Unless Simon is a last minute addition for LBL.

Wasn't it the pelvis? Or did he get injured again?

Should be pelvis.

 

[Kokoso]

Re: Re:

Juul-Jensen said in an interview with danish media yesterday, that he is not riding the tour, but giro instead, because Mitchelton-Scott is basing their tour squad around Caleb Ewan, and he is not part of the sprint train.

Sounds odd, that the team would just give up all GC hope for the tour?

I posted this months ago - There are a couple of factors at play - One the GC rider's were unhappy in 2017 with the teams choice of GC - Each of the GC riders have been given their choice of target - So the Giro and the Vuelta will have strong climbing squads - There are several factors why Ewan is riding the TDF - Being he is ready for the race, MS has an underwhelming record in the TDF, especially stages so they expect Ewan to win a stage and MS is looking for a new sponsor. Related to this is MS needs a marquee Australian rider - Also A.Yates is happy to ride the TDF with limited support, though Kreuziger will be a valuable ally - MS can do a good TTT which can place A.Yates in a good position in the early stages of the GC battle.

...Adam Yates is there for GC is enough to understand they would not give up all GC hopes for the Tour. And the main reason why team supports more Caleb than A. Yates might be Adam's possible lack of form because of injury.

 

[Kokoso]

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What the hell are they doing this week?

We wouldn't want El Pisti to become right about his thesis that the best riders skip the Ardennes.

A.Yates is recovering from a broken collarbone while S.Yates is preparing for the Giro - Though Simon may have ridden Fleche or LBL - Unless Simon is a last minute addition for LBL.

Wasn't it the pelvis? Or did he get injured again?

Should be pelvis.

Collarbone should be pelvis?

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Juul-Jensen said in an interview with danish media yesterday, that he is not riding the tour, but giro instead, because Mitchelton-Scott is basing their tour squad around Caleb Ewan, and he is not part of the sprint train.

Sounds odd, that the team would just give up all GC hope for the tour?

I posted this months ago - There are a couple of factors at play - One the GC rider's were unhappy in 2017 with the teams choice of GC - Each of the GC riders have been given their choice of target - So the Giro and the Vuelta will have strong climbing squads - There are several factors why Ewan is riding the TDF - Being he is ready for the race, MS has an underwhelming record in the TDF, especially stages so they expect Ewan to win a stage and MS is looking for a new sponsor. Related to this is MS needs a marquee Australian rider - Also A.Yates is happy to ride the TDF with limited support, though Kreuziger will be a valuable ally - MS can do a good TTT which can place A.Yates in a good position in the early stages of the GC battle.

...Adam Yates is there for GC is enough to understand they would not give up all GC hopes for the Tour. And the main reason why team supports more Caleb than A. Yates might be Adam's possible lack of form because of injury.

Please read my previous post and others of a similar vein from the previous few months - This was a pre-ordained plan that was made in October and November, no matter whether A.Yates broke his pelvis - AFAIK, Yates is progressing well from injury and should be in tip-top shape for the TDF.

 

[saunaking]

Simon Yates - "I said to him as soon as I caught him that he could take the stage because if I had enough time then I would take the jersey. He'd been out on the road all day so I think he deserved it."

Class

 

[Strawberry_Jams]

It is. I really hope that wasn't his last chance at a Giro stage win though. Chaves already had one.

 

[yaco]

There has been much discussion trying to find a point of difference between the two brothers - Reckon Adam is stronger in the long one day races like LBL.

 

[Jspear]

Adams gonna have a lot to live up to in the Tour.

 

[RedheadDane]

I've been seriously confused about the "Philip" part during this Giro, but I'm going to assume the Giro organisers didn't just randomly add a middle name.

 

[Jspear]

Yeah Philip is his middle name.