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Benotti69 said:
I hope we get to see a full disclosure from the Padova case that shows Ferarri screwed Armstrong (finiancially) by working with others who were screwed because Ferarri made sure to dope Armstrong better, ISYWIM :D
I expect that to be the case. I'm also beginning to think the UCI ripped Armstrong off about his 2001 Suisse positive which apparently couldn't have gone anywhere at the time but which Armstrong clearly thought was a proper positive test. Imagine that. :D
 
hrotha said:
I expect that to be the case. I'm also beginning to think the UCI ripped Armstrong off about his 2001 Suisse positive which apparently couldn't have gone anywhere at the time but which Armstrong clearly thought was a proper positive test. Imagine that. :D

That would be awesome. "He's rich and a pain in the behind, let's clean him out :)"
 
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Galic Ho said:
Then I will get them the personal number for Brailsford and team Sky. Given the way Wiggins dresses like Austin Powers, then I'm sure there is some role to be filled in the groupie department.

Some people on this forum the last few months really have left me questioning the lengths they would go to in their fandom. I'm not discounting anything as it stands or how any fingers fiddle or flick.

My you are a charmer. However this is an improvement on inviting me to Australia so you could punch me in the face. It's ironic (please feel free to look that up) that in an anti-doping forum you come accross as someone suffering from 'roid rage. I have this mental image of you sat there in your caravan in front of your computer in a wife-beater and trucker cap, swigging VB and alternating between ranting on here and watch BBW porn. There's a chance that one of your posts may have contained some valid points once but the poorly-constructed, long-winded, rambling posts bore me to tears after less than a paragraph so I just scroll down. I'll be quicker next time, much quicker
 
Zultronova said:
You've got a lot to learn.;)
I don't believe in miracles.........it seems that you do :)
I will spell it out again. It's impossible after a three week Grand Tour for a CLEAN rider to finish second between two very accomplished cyclists. Both of whom were riding for Discovery. And both of whom were blood doping. That only leads to one logical conclusion. And that is. Cadel Evans has doped during his career.

IMPOSSIBLE

Still not sure what finishing behind someone (Contatdor in 2008) proves :confused:

With regard to Leiphiemer, Evans only beat him by 8 seconds overall. All his gains were made in the mountains and TT in the first half of the race. Liepheimer clawed nearly all of it back in the last week.

Is that really suggestive of doping on Evan's part?
 
blackcat said:
hahahahha

what a zinger

what if jimmy fingers is female?
Well, girls can do that too. With their fingers, no less.

I can't say I'd be too impressed by Ms JimmyFingers' taste, though.
sittingbison said:
As I have also said before, if it is shown by an investigative journo or a blogger sleuth (who now have an open hunting license on cyclists especially last years TdF winner touted as clean) that Evans has lied even ONCE or prevaricated in any way about Ferrari, he will be totally destroyed. You think Armstrong is bad? He is small fry in the USA in comparison to Evans in Australia, where he is pretty mush the absolute top of sportspeople recognition and fame.
That's as may be, but this argument was also made for Wiggins, i.e. they would never dope because it would suck if they got caught. In no way do I suggest Evans wouldn't get absolutely murdered in the press if he was busted, but at the same time that isn't justification in and of itself that he is clean. After all, it could have been applied to Armstrong, to Ullrich, and many others from a multitude of sports over the years.
Dear Wiggo said:
Why would you even bother writing exactly the same thing as everyone else.




Reasoned decision PR bingo 2.0 through and through.
It is one of the most disappointing statements, for sure. He uses so many words to say so little, it's like he's been reading my posts or something.
AussieEdge said:
And another thing - Cadel isn't that popular in the peloton, we just believed it was personality because that's what we been told

Is that rally why or is it because he don't want to toe the peloton line so speak
Sky made themselves rather unpopular in the péloton at times last year, but that didn't make them any more likely to be clean.
AussieEdge said:
What the????

He's only towing the company line - nothing more nothing less

Your happy to spin his word to suit your argument - I won't be told off by a keyboard wheedling hypocrite
José Iván Gutiérrez was towing the company line when he called Valverde's suspension "the greatest injustice I've ever seen in cycling" or words to that effect. Sean Yates and others continue to tow the company line regarding their knowledge of USPS/Discovery.

It's clear that you want Evans to be clean, and there's nothing wrong with that. There is nothing concrete on Evans; he's a guy we can't really tell on either way. All we have is circumstantial evidence for, and all we have is circumstantial evidence against. There are dodgy teams in his history (concern), but he was an outsider at them (mitigating factor). He had a prominent ex-doper as a former manager (concern), but that guy isn't involved anymore (mitigating factor). He once took a test with Ferrari (concern), but that relationship went no further (mitigating factor). He has consistently performed at the highest level and scored excellent results against known dopers (concern), but until relatively recently he wasn't actually winning (mitigating factor). He has been nothing like outspoken enough to really earn a reputation for being anti-doping (concern), but then he hasn't come out in support of known dopers either (mitigating factor).

Put simply, trying to make a definitive call on Evans is more difficult than with almost any other rider of his stature in the péloton. If you want to believe, that's great, but a lot of us can't. If you want to discuss Evans without the cyclical arguments about doping, then discuss him in the Road Racing forum. Here, cynicism is not just common, it is the norm. Often, it's turned out, with good reason.

Also, you must bear in mind that your username and avatar are like a red rag to a bull in a situation like this, because it does imply, whether you chose it that way or not, that your defence of and support of Evans is rooted in Australian patriotism and thus your beliefs on the matter could be construed as placing romanticism before pragmatism.
 
JimmyFingers said:
There's a chance that one of your posts may have contained some valid points once

I've copped some serves recently in defence of Evans but credit where due he can come up with some gems even if his logic is hard to follow sometimes. My Galic favourite is on page 22 of the 2011 Tour stage 20 TT thread. As an Evans fan and being no fan of Wiggins too bad he got it wrong on your boy in 2012 :)

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=14600&page=22
 
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blackcat said:
Evans was never out of his depth physiologically, evidenced by his manifest chrono ability. He only had trouble when the elbows come out and you need to make room for yourself, say, the last 5 kms before a field sprint, or a crucial section of a stage/race.

I concur. Even as I was writing it I was thinking - nearly every photo of Cadel on the MTB he's riding solo, and from my very limited MTB experience, even at the start it goes single file really quick. Nowhere near the intensity of 200 riders all trying to get to the front on a narrow French road.
 
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Benotti69 said:
I hope we get to see a full disclosure from the Padova case that shows Ferarri screwed Armstrong (finiancially) by working with others who were screwed because Ferarri made sure to dope Armstrong better, ISYWIM :D

Pretty sure there were payments from Vino in amongst Armstrong payments but did not think to check the dates.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Well, girls can do that too. With their fingers, no less.

I can't say I'd be too impressed by Ms JimmyFingers' taste, though.

That's as may be, but this argument was also made for Wiggins, i.e. they would never dope because it would suck if they got caught. In no way do I suggest Evans wouldn't get absolutely murdered in the press if he was busted, but at the same time that isn't justification in and of itself that he is clean. After all, it could have been applied to Armstrong, to Ullrich, and many others from a multitude of sports over the years.

It is one of the most disappointing statements, for sure. He uses so many words to say so little, it's like he's been reading my posts or something.

Sky made themselves rather unpopular in the péloton at times last year, but that didn't make them any more likely to be clean.

José Iván Gutiérrez was towing the company line when he called Valverde's suspension "the greatest injustice I've ever seen in cycling" or words to that effect. Sean Yates and others continue to tow the company line regarding their knowledge of USPS/Discovery.

It's clear that you want Evans to be clean, and there's nothing wrong with that. There is nothing concrete on Evans; he's a guy we can't really tell on either way. All we have is circumstantial evidence for, and all we have is circumstantial evidence against. There are dodgy teams in his history (concern), but he was an outsider at them (mitigating factor). He had a prominent ex-doper as a former manager (concern), but that guy isn't involved anymore (mitigating factor). He once took a test with Ferrari (concern), but that relationship went no further (mitigating factor). He has consistently performed at the highest level and scored excellent results against known dopers (concern), but until relatively recently he wasn't actually winning (mitigating factor). He has been nothing like outspoken enough to really earn a reputation for being anti-doping (concern), but then he hasn't come out in support of known dopers either (mitigating factor).

Put simply, trying to make a definitive call on Evans is more difficult than with almost any other rider of his stature in the péloton. If you want to believe, that's great, but a lot of us can't. If you want to discuss Evans without the cyclical arguments about doping, then discuss him in the Road Racing forum. Here, cynicism is not just common, it is the norm. Often, it's turned out, with good reason.

Also, you must bear in mind that your username and avatar are like a red rag to a bull in a situation like this, because it does imply, whether you chose it that way or not, that your defence of and support of Evans is rooted in Australian patriotism and thus your beliefs on the matter could be construed as placing romanticism before pragmatism.
Oh really so you want to pull the nationalist approach on me - I'm also of Italian heritage, do you then assume I'm with the mafia as well?

Got nothing to do with nationalism buddy - if that's the case then all Irishman & Americans are bullies &'lying cheats feathering their own nests, If you want to go down that route

More proof most have little to no proof and the clinic doesn't like it

No one wants to hear cyclists be honest , only what you want them to say - and a couple of expletives on twitter, half a page on a blog are going to make stuff all difference. Actions speak louder than words - Armstrong saga is proof of that

TBH I'm surprised most said anything at all
 
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Cookster15 said:
I've copped some serves recently in defence of Evans but credit where due he can come up with some gems even if his logic is hard to follow sometimes. My Galic favourite is on page 22 of the 2011 Tour stage 20 TT thread. As an Evans fan and being no fan of Wiggins too bad he got it wrong on your boy in 2012 :)

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=14600&page=22

Irrelevant if he drowns it all out by being a massive ****

That's just an opinion mind, and bare in mind I'm a glass-half-full kinda guy
 
AussieEdge said:
Oh really so you want to pull the nationalist approach on me - I'm also of Italian heritage, do you then assume I'm with the mafia as well?

Got nothing to do with nationalism buddy - if that's the case then all Irishman & Americans are bullies &'lying cheats feathering their own nests, If you want to go down that route
No, I'm pointing out that if you put a reference to your nationality in your username, and that nation's flag as your avatar, then post vociferous defences of your country's most famous cyclist, you're inviting people to draw that conclusion.

After all, if you don't want people to join those dots, and if you're going to get confrontational if people join those dots, you perhaps shouldn't have made those dots so easy to join.
 
AussieEdge said:
Oh really so you want to pull the nationalist approach on me - I'm also of Italian heritage, do you then assume I'm with the mafia as well?

Got nothing to do with nationalism buddy - if that's the case then all Irishman & Americans are bullies &'lying cheats feathering their own nests, If you want to go down that route

More proof most have little to no proof and the clinic doesn't like it

No one wants to hear cyclists be honest , only what you want them to say - and a couple of expletives on twitter, half a page on a blog are going to make stuff all difference. Actions speak louder than words - Armstrong saga is proof of that

TBH I'm surprised most said anything at all

We already know you are an Evans fan so the half baked analogies about how stereotypes are not always true make no sense.

Especially since "fan of Australian rider" is a far more geographically specific characteristic than "bully".

Oh and why are the Irish "bullies and lying cheats". Pff typical anti Irish racism. Everyone knows they're merely drunks ;)
 
I will say for galic ho, as all over the place as his posts can be, he does stick to his principles. 1 of the very few posters who fans a rider on nationality who has not yet tested positive, but is willing to.admit that rider probably doped, where most posters defend that riders "clean" position to the last.


Libertine Seguros said:
Well, girls can do that too. With their fingers, no less.

I can't say I'd be too impressed by Ms JimmyFingers' taste, though.

Haha.lol. Great post afterwards as well:)
 
Libertine Seguros said:
...That's as may be, but this argument was also made for Wiggins, i.e. they would never dope because it would suck if they got caught. In no way do I suggest Evans wouldn't get absolutely murdered in the press if he was busted, but at the same time that isn't justification in and of itself that he is clean. After all, it could have been applied to Armstrong, to Ullrich, and many others from a multitude of sports over the years...

Yup I was having a think about this one last night after I made the statement (for the second time). If it was not clear, I meant it was in relation to the visit to Ferrari. It is documented and well known he went to Ferrari before turning pro in late 2000. He has now come out and stated publicly and categorically this is the case, no other contact ergo et demontratum it only takes one tiny little visit or payment or email to Ferrari, just one, and Evans is sunk.

The difference between Evans on this instance and all the others, wiggo included, is the specifics of the incidence and the categorical denial. There are no specific instances, and they never categorically deny anything, its always prevarication. Example look at all the brouhaha over wiggo - some stupid comments re cadence, dramatic weight loss, improved climbing etc etc that are all discussed BY US ad nauseum, but they are never discussed in the media and never by wiggo. So yes, if something crops up - lets say a positive - wiggo in particular is going to get crucified no doubt at all, but as it stands there is no specific incident that is being analysed and debated in public, and denied by wiggo.

Make no mistake, this public denial of Ferrari is a major factor for Evans. The stakes are raised to "all in".

Libertine Seguros said:
...There is nothing concrete on Evans; he's a guy we can't really tell on either way. All we have is circumstantial evidence for, and all we have is circumstantial evidence against. There are dodgy teams in his history (concern), but he was an outsider at them (mitigating factor). He had a prominent ex-doper as a former manager (concern), but that guy isn't involved anymore (mitigating factor). He once took a test with Ferrari (concern), but that relationship went no further (mitigating factor). He has consistently performed at the highest level and scored excellent results against known dopers (concern), but until relatively recently he wasn't actually winning (mitigating factor). He has been nothing like outspoken enough to really earn a reputation for being anti-doping (concern), but then he hasn't come out in support of known dopers either (mitigating factor).

Put simply, trying to make a definitive call on Evans is more difficult than with almost any other rider of his stature in the péloton. If you want to believe, that's great, but a lot of us can't. If you want to discuss Evans without the cyclical arguments about doping, then discuss him in the Road Racing forum. Here, cynicism is not just common, it is the norm. Often, it's turned out, with good reason.

Libertine, this is the best, reasoned, reasonable summation of Evans so far. Chapeau.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
José Iván Gutiérrez was towing the company line when he called Valverde's suspension "the greatest injustice I've ever seen in cycling" or words to that effect. Sean Yates and others continue to tow the company line regarding their knowledge of USPS/Discovery.

It's clear that you want Evans to be clean, and there's nothing wrong with that. There is nothing concrete on Evans; he's a guy we can't really tell on either way. All we have is circumstantial evidence for, and all we have is circumstantial evidence against. There are dodgy teams in his history (concern), but he was an outsider at them (mitigating factor). He had a prominent ex-doper as a former manager (concern), but that guy isn't involved anymore (mitigating factor). He once took a test with Ferrari (concern), but that relationship went no further (mitigating factor). He has consistently performed at the highest level and scored excellent results against known dopers (concern), but until relatively recently he wasn't actually winning (mitigating factor). He has been nothing like outspoken enough to really earn a reputation for being anti-doping (concern), but then he hasn't come out in support of known dopers either (mitigating factor).

Put simply, trying to make a definitive call on Evans is more difficult than with almost any other rider of his stature in the péloton. If you want to believe, that's great, but a lot of us can't. If you want to discuss Evans without the cyclical arguments about doping, then discuss him in the Road Racing forum. Here, cynicism is not just common, it is the norm. Often, it's turned out, with good reason.

Also, you must bear in mind that your username and avatar are like a red rag to a bull in a situation like this, because it does imply, whether you chose it that way or not, that your defence of and support of Evans is rooted in Australian patriotism and thus your beliefs on the matter could be construed as placing romanticism before pragmatism.

Woah......you've exceeded your erudition quota in that post:). And, username not withstanding, I agree.
 
OK i have read Cadels diary, and have had time to form an opinion. I am going to look at hrothas take on it to formulate my own thoughts. Before I do I will come straight out and say it is completely sterilised, not a single personal thought on display, and is completely inoffensive and non-confrontational. Because of this I believe this has been gone over by the PR guys, his manager, probably BMC and certainly Cycling Australia.

I hope that people remember that the events being uncovered mostly occurred seven or more years ago, amongst a minority of those involved in a sport which has already changed and moved on
hrotha said:
Blatant lie.
This involved a majority of those involved in the sport.
He omits that the Armstrong case goes up to 2010.
The sport hasn't moved on: the same people are in charge of the UCI, Padua shows doping is still widespread. Hell, there are now less tests than a couple of years ago.
Its not a blatant lie, its obfuscation. Careful use of words, very careful. By saying "events being uncovered" and "mostly" its pretty much limiting the comment to USADA vs LA, USPS and Discovery. You are correct hrotha in your observations based on an overall understanding and disregarding the specific exclusion words.


let's commend the authorities who are succeeding in the battle against doping
hrotha said:
Disgusting.
The authorities face very serious allegations they have to answer to after the USADA report. The authorities are not to be commended. Inasmuch as they've cleaned up the sport, they've done so reluctantly, and again, the tide has turned the last few years (less controls, rule-bending, cover-up attempts).
Again, there is nothing specific, very carefully worded, so we don't know WHICH authorities. We know "authority" USADA has done an excellent job, but we also know "authority" UCI has been labelled as corrupt. Hrotha you have summed up the actuality of the situation, the cycling establishment also knows this, so the comment is again obfuscation on purpose.

not on the front page of tabloid newspaper
hrotha said:
Blatant lie. Disgusting spin.
It's not on the front page of tabloids. It's everywhere, because it's THE BIGGEST EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF CYCLING. Whether he likes it or not. A few lines above he was saying it's all been blown out of proportion by sensationalist media. No, Cadel: this is HUGE by its own right. Don't try to downplay it.
On this one hrotha you have misinterpreted the comment. Its not saying at all that cycling is NOT on the front page, its saying it IS on the front pages but for the wrong reason. This is the problem with snipping half a sentence as it does not show the overall intent of the statement. He is actually saying USADA investigation and Lances downfall will eventually take cycling from the from doping news on front pages to racing news.

but to a level playing field where the hard work, meticulous equipment preparation and natural ability are winning the big beautiful prestigious races.
hrotha said:
As of yet, unsubstantiated PR comment.

THIS is the actual company line. THIS is the message they are desperately trying to get out into the public domain. All the rest of the diary comment is actually froth and bubble to get THIS message across.

For those who are disappointed with the situation right now: do not dispair, do not abandon us now we are in our best years, preparing things for our most important moment yet - the future.
hrotha said:
Standard PR comment: let's focus on the future, we're all clean now because I say so. This is no different from what Contador said. He fails to understand there's no credibility while the UCI are in charge. At the same time, he's spent the better part of this statement saying this isn't that big of a deal - how can we trust the future will be better, when one of the guys who should be leading the peloton says it wasn't that bad in the first place?

Hrotha is completely correct, and this comment has been said several times - who was the latest, Talansky? Who got lambasted here. "Trust us". The problem being after 20 years of deception at the highest echelon, why should we trust anyone or anything? But again, this is the company line of the cycling establishment.


Hrothas personal summation, not Cadels diary"
hrotha said:
Nowhere does he condemn Armstrong, or Bruyneel, or anyone else. No mention of Verbruggen or McQuaid. Nothing. Just "believe in us because I say so", without any substance backing it, without taking a stance, and with some glaring lies which make up the core of this piece: that this was "a long time ago", that this has been "blown out of proportion by sensationalist media", and that "the UCI has won the fight against doping already".

I completely and categorically agree with hrotha's summation. Sums up my opinion exactly.

To reiterate, my own thoughts are that there is no way on earth Cadel Evans wrote that article. I don't think it was even his thoughts ghost written. No mention of specific concepts like "USADA investigation" let alone the names of the participants. Nothing. Nada. It could not be any more sterile if he tried. Now the average cyclist (and he is well above average) could not even string a sentence together without talking about the biggest names in the sport. Inconceivable. Because the names ARE the sport. Riders, bikes, gear. Its all names. We can all happily rattle off the names back to the war, because the sport from the beginning has been packaged as heroic deeds performed by heroes. And heroes have names. Its almost like The Illiad.

The second reason why Evans has not contributed a word to this article is the almost poetic language. Lets be honest here, comments like "a level playing field where the hard work, meticulous equipment preparation and natural ability are winning the big beautiful prestigious races" and "do not dispair, do not abandon us now we are in our best years, preparing things for our most important moment yet - the future" are NOT how Evans speaks.

The real issue is that the whole world have been waiting for wiggo and Evans to speak. The last two winners of the TdF. Evans has not been available for interviews by the major journos in the Australian press (I know this for a fact), and his agent has made a couple of blase comments. Now this article has popped up on his website.

So as far as Evans is concerned I read nothing into these comments
. I don't believe they are his own, nor that they are his thoughts. What I find disappointing is that we STILL do not have his thoughts, nobody has stuck a microphone under his nose and asked the hard questions.
 
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'Hysterical': Evans bemused by media coverage of Armstrong scandal

'Hysterical': Evans bemused by media coverage of Armstrong scandal

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...ong-scandal-20121024-285ua.html#ixzz2AH5srFx3

"Evans praised USADA for lifting a lid on the rampant use of drugs with the Australian stating he had noticed a big change since first competing on the 2005 tour."

BUT the following unfortunately rings alarm bells with me

"Evans believed the sport had learned from the mistakes of the past and the sport was now on ‘‘a level playing field’’."
 
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sittingbison said:
To reiterate, my own thoughts are that there is no way on earth Cadel Evans wrote that article.

perhaps you do not have an insight into Team Evans.

There IS NO team Evans.

I would guarantee you these are his words verbatim and he uploaded the response personally.



need to quote your first post SB, and update it with other into.

the 2006(or +/- one year) illness. Around Pais Vasco time. He had a very bad chrono that race.

2002 Mapei staff said words to effect of "Giro performance impressive cos he was on bread and water and we had not given him anything".

Vino positive in 2007ish. Mealy mouthed platitudes that cycling authorities doing a good job of ridding the sport of the PED taking athletes

There are other things I think I said in this thread. A more well rounded picture. Info (may be apocryophal) from a Dutch journo, that during Telekom year, 2003ish, he was seeing Ferrari. (Rene of Cyclingheroes, the Dutch journo) this was put on a German general sports website, around 2006ish about Ferrari link. I think they may have reference Suddeutsch Zeitung the German paper with the strongest doping beat. I thjink I did a search thru their web forum and found not a hit.
 
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sittingbison said:
The second reason why Evans has not contributed a word to this article is the almost poetic language. Lets be honest here, comments like "a level playing field where the hard work, meticulous equipment preparation and natural ability are winning the big beautiful prestigious races" and "do not dispair, do not abandon us now we are in our best years, preparing things for our most important moment yet - the future" are NOT how Evans speaks.

I disagree. This is prosaic. A flowery attempt at literary appeal. But does not reach fifth grade level.

Horilla and Rubiera are educated athletes, but I know of no cyclists who achieved anything in academia, but Evans does read literature, not airport potboillers. Clearly Evans has a different aesthetic and pretensions. He is not a jock.

If a PR flak misspelled despair I would be surprise, crisis management vocab 101
 
Not Riding Enough said:
'...BUT the following unfortunately rings alarm bells with me
"Evans believed the sport had learned from the mistakes of the past and the sport was now on ‘‘a level playing field’’."
the article is wire not a journo, and is a hodgepodge of soundbytes and his web diary. That particular comment is from the diary.

blackcat said:
...If a PR flak misspelled despair I would be surprise, crisis management vocab 101
lol I purposely did not correct that one, it really stood out. Now, a tin foil hat wearing denizen would surmise it was inserted ON PURPOSE to give the impression it was written by Evans ;)

BC, I have no idea if he wrote that or not, but to me it reeks of PR BS. The guy is literate but not lyrical, however the removal of ANY reference to the Armstrong vs USADA fiasco is the tell. If he DID write it, it has been well and truly vetted. It is not the idle writings in a diary of a TdF champ for the fans.

blackcat said:
...Info (may be apocryophal) from a Dutch journo, that during Telekom year, 2003ish, he was seeing Ferrari. (Rene of Cyclingheroes, the Dutch journo) this was put on a German general sports website, around 2006ish about Ferrari link. I think they may have reference Suddeutsch Zeitung the German paper with the strongest doping beat. I thjink I did a search thru their web forum and found not a hit.
As I have note before, the second a story like this is verified he is sunk. Surely there are blogging sleuths, and journos with a new found resolve to dig into cycling and expose this. It would make their career.
 
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I would just like to raise one issue in regard to Cadel Evans blood profile.

It would be interesting so know what Cadel's hematocrit levels were (pre-2008), the results of which are most definitely known to himself and to team doctors, prior to the introduction of the biological passport in 2008. Then compare those pre-2008 values to his hematocrit level's after the introduction of the biological passport. This comparison could be quite revealing.
 
I tweeted him yesterday asking for him to publish his blood values. For some strange reason he did not reply :rolleyes:

@sitting_bison

@CadelOfficial Cadel, given the current circumstances in cycling releasing your blood values might be a good idea to show how its done clean

I even couched it in positive terms :D

Wouldn't we ALL love to have a captain bag type analysis done of his ABP, or as you say compare the pre 2008 hct with post 2008 hct (same goes for ALL of them even by gum Wiggo :eek:))

Here's a genuine question which I have been thinking about all thread, if his hct levels were consistent say 43, and captain bag did not see anything amiss with some ABP data, would anyone here still think him a doper? And what would we all say about his performances against known dopers?
 
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blackcat said:
There are other things I think I said in this thread. A more well rounded picture. Info (may be apocryophal) from a Dutch journo, that during Telekom year, 2003ish, he was seeing Ferrari. (Rene of Cyclingheroes, the Dutch journo) this was put on a German general sports website, around 2006ish about Ferrari link.
I would be surprised if Evans was being 'assisted' by Ferrari while he was at Telekom considering at the time Ferrari was being paid not to 'assist' anyone at Telekom.
 
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There is a reason why Telecom wouldn't include Cadel onto their tour team. He was certainly good enough. It was because he was clean. Sounds a lot like US Postal. Kept the non dopers off the team.

That's the only explanation I can think of back then.