Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[RedheadDane]

Wait rhd.

Are you saying cunego and vinokourov weren't clean either?

That particular day nobody were clean!

 

[blackcat]

really............and i like the viewpoint that everyone is entitle to express their

view on the forum

personally i don't ever believe that a chunky wheelsucker like cadel could

ever have won the tour clean

i too feel he get's an easy ride as he is so quiet

Mark L

misinterpreted my position.


come and have an opinion in the clinic. in multiple threads.

but dont come in as a queens counsel or a paid intern from livestrong or public strategies. it is fair play if folks on this board are sick and tired of reading posts that only are relevant to their one rider, who they project all hopes and aspirations upon. that would be transferrence not projection i think.

be a better place, and more informed place, if there was not such overt bias and agenda here. the clinic is a great place for educating yourself. but Dimspace, or SkyCyclingFan, and AusCycleFan94, bring the most biased one-eyed jingoist pov. when Dimspace has been especially productive in his research on the reach and connections of Armstrong.

 

[Ferminal]

Ah, so you're not allowed to make a conclusion of doping based on historical trends, only inaccurate assessments of body shape and riding style are useful.

Don't worry about smashing Aubisque alongside Rasmussen, Leipheimer and Contador. It could have been following Steegmans, Hunter and Boonen attacking the autobus and he still would be a doper.

 

[blackcat]

Ah, so you're not allowed to make a conclusion of doping based on historical trends, only inaccurate assessments of body shape and riding style are useful.

Don't worry about smashing Aubisque alongside Rasmussen, Leipheimer and Contador. It could have been following Steegmans, Hunter and Boonen attacking the autobus and he still would be a doper.

Fermie, you really need to add the homosexual addendum so AusCycleFan94 gets her knickers unknotted.


he still would be a doper ' not that there is anything wrong with that.

This is cycling.

 

[Ripper]

Fermie, you really need to add the homosexual addendum so AusCycleFan94 gets her knickers unknotted.


he still would be a doper ' not that there is anything wrong with that.

This is cycling.

What's the deal with your signature?

 

[blackcat]

alumni of the Daily Peleton.


they were the forerunner of arbiter/banprocycling/polish

 

[Ripper]

alumni of the Daily Peleton.


they were the forerunner of arbiter/banprocycling/polish

Who were you on the Daily Peloton?

 

[blackcat]

Who were you on the Daily Peloton?

vaughn,


*this asterisk may or may not have meaning and qualification of said answer.

 

[rata de sentina]

alumni of the Daily Peleton.


they were the forerunner of arbiter/banprocycling/polish

That was kind of a long time ago, why revive those memories, i'd buried them good and deep. Anyway Polish was an absolute genius compared to Hombre. More like the forerunners of WonderLance

 

[JimmyFingers]

Been having this damned virus for 13 months or more so I ain't racing so good, but now I'mma back in Ei-tall-ee they got dem goooood doctors

For the sake of balance, clinic style

 

[86TDFWinner]

Ah, so you're not allowed to make a conclusion of doping based on historical trends, only inaccurate assessments of body shape and riding style are useful.

Don't worry about smashing Aubisque alongside Rasmussen, Leipheimer and Contador. It could have been following Steegmans, Hunter and Boonen attacking the autobus and he still would be a doper.

AFAWK, Levi/Contador have BOTH been busted for doping, so Im not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Pardon me if I've misunderstood you here, but what exactly are you saying?

 

[observer]

I like Cadel, he doesn't seem to fit the mould of being the head of a team wide doping problem. He may do something, but apart from some flimsy link to Ferrari, there isn't really anything that raises a flag, bar his performances. But although his palmares are impressive, the way he won them doesn't really involve any absurd breakaways or attacks, or super tempo riding. It seems that he chips away at GC classification over time, or has a well timed attack in one day races.

He also seems to geniunely suffer when the going gets tough. which may or may not mean he is a better actor than voeckler.

 

[Ferminal]

AFAWK, Levi/Contador have BOTH been busted for doping, so Im not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Pardon me if I've misunderstood you here, but what exactly are you saying?

Ah, post was a while ago! It was a response to a comment about him being dirty because of his climbing style.

As we know, climbing style means nothing. Looking at his performance relative to Leipheimer/Contador/Rasmussen is by far the more concrete approach

 

[Ferminal]

For the sake of balance, clinic style

He was also good (well from the point of view of his usual GC sprinting ability which seems to have warranted a bump here) when he had his "virus" in the first week of the Tour, and in the Dauphine. Unless he suddenly caught the virus in Switzerland a day before the first ITT.

For the sake of the facts, not some silly tit-for-tat.

 

[blackcat]

Been having this damned virus for 13 months or more so I ain't racing so good, but now I'mma back in Ei-tall-ee they got dem goooood doctors

For the sake of balance, clinic style

that would be ...
biz biz biz bizrahia?

 

[86TDFWinner]

Ah, post was a while ago! It was a response to a comment about him being dirty because of his climbing style.

As we know, climbing style means nothing. Looking at his performance relative to Leipheimer/Contador/Rasmussen is by far the more concrete approach

Oh, very well then. Nothing to see here.

 

[JimmyFingers]

He was also good (well from the point of view of his usual GC sprinting ability which seems to have warranted a bump here) when he had his "virus" in the first week of the Tour, and in the Dauphine. Unless he suddenly caught the virus in Switzerland a day before the first ITT.

For the sake of the facts, not some silly tit-for-tat.

Silly it may be, borderline troll even, but worthwhile certainly. I've asked before about this lengthy, no-name virus that has blighted Cadel for a decent chunk of last season and much of this, now its gone and he's mixing it again? I just expected it to be oneof the main topics post-race but instead yet again it's a dreary deconstruction of Sky. Just demonstrable of the selective nature of the conversation in this place.

At least they gave Froome's a name.

 

[JimmyFingers]

that would be ...
biz biz biz bizrahia?

Sounds like a song. Lets all do the bilharzia!

 

[Ferminal]

Silly it may be, borderline troll even, but worthwhile certainly. I've asked before about this lengthy, no-name virus that has blighted Cadel for a decent chunk of last season and much of this, now its gone and he's mixing it again? I just expected it to be oneof the main topics post-race but instead yet again it's a dreary deconstruction of Sky. Just demonstrable of the selective nature of the conversation in this place.

At least they gave Froome's a name.

I don't dispute the mysterious nature of the "virus".

But it is false to claim that a 300m power sprint from a large GC group as he always does (and was doing in June/July last year) is evidence of recovery from said virus.

Talk to me after Galibier.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Sounds like a song. Lets all do the bilharzia!

like the poznan? naaah is this the way to bilharzia will be better..... we could drink beers to it and play darts as well

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Silly it may be, borderline troll even, but worthwhile certainly. I've asked before about this lengthy, no-name virus that has blighted Cadel for a decent chunk of last season and much of this, now its gone and he's mixing it again? I just expected it to be oneof the main topics post-race but instead yet again it's a dreary deconstruction of Sky. Just demonstrable of the selective nature of the conversation in this place.

At least they gave Froome's a name.

Where would you have placed Cadel in yesterdays stage if I may ask? When I take a quick look at who was there - including Scared Pony and Kruiswijk - Cadel should be up there.

Perhaps Roger Palfreeman did wonders on his virus.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I don't dispute the mysterious nature of the "virus".

But it is false to claim that a 300m power sprint from a large GC group as he always does (and was doing in June/July last year) is evidence of recovery from said virus.

Talk to me after Galibier.

Fair enough: we will see what form he does have as the race unfolds

 

[Netserk]

Cadel will rock the Galibier like it was 2007

 

[Benotti69]

I like Cadel, he doesn't seem to fit the mould of being the head of a team wide doping problem. He may do something, but apart from some flimsy link to Ferrari, there isn't really anything that raises a flag, bar his performances. But although his palmares are impressive, the way he won them doesn't really involve any absurd breakaways or attacks, or super tempo riding. It seems that he chips away at GC classification over time, or has a well timed attack in one day races.

He also seems to geniunely suffer when the going gets tough. which may or may not mean he is a better actor than voeckler.

If you lok at Evan's results history he was up there with the big time epo users. If he could ride that well clean, well how come he only has 1 GT win when power numbers are not as high now compared to those years?

No Evans aint a clean rider imo.

 

[delbified]

If you lok at Evan's results history he was up there with the big time epo users. If he could ride that well clean, well how come he only has 1 GT win when power numbers are not as high now compared to those years?

you may recall he broke his elbow in 2010, had a virus in 2012. lotto was his lost years, where he suffered under team mgt.

he's an unusual character. it's long been known he has an engine bigger than almost anyone else, but he has struggled with other elements needed to win a GT.

as he has matured and found a more supportive team, he's almost certainly lost some physical capability, but gained in mental strength and support of team members. 2011 saw an intersection of those factors, in combination with reduced doping in the peloton, and a Tour win.

you can't reduce an analysis of his performance to such simple criteria. JV himself said "i could have taken as much EPO as i liked, i'd never have won the Tour". this helps explain cadel's performance during the EPO era. his haters may not want to accept it - but he is exceptionally gifted in the physical sense.