Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Nothing so specific, just curious at the loss of form from BMC's leaders and the implications of it.
Nothing so specific, just curious at the loss of form from BMC's leaders and the implications of it.
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Most of us could walk around with something like toxoplasmosis & not even know it. When you are an elite athlete, however, it can wreck you.
Personally, I had mild glandular fever when I was 17, and it wrecked a very important year for me... I was able to train ok, but come match day, I was wrecked & it took me a few days to recover. I only found out later on that I had been sick.
It's conceivable that Cadel was carrying some low-level virus that has affected his performance somewhat.
Either that, or good old father time might be paying him a visit.
Personally, I had mild glandular fever when I was 17, and it wrecked a very important year for me... I was able to train ok, but come match day, I was wrecked & it took me a few days to recover. I only found out later on that I had been sick.
It's conceivable that Cadel was carrying some low-level virus that has affected his performance somewhat.
Either that, or good old father time might be paying him a visit.
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apropos of nothing much, at age 21 - when overtraining - I got glandular fever (mononucleosis) which lasted for 4 years. Sucked the energy right out of me, almost to the point of what at the time (1987) was laughingly called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (which has now got some credence). I couldn't do any serious exercise without getting absolutely physically shattered.
So when something does go wrong, it can have a debilitating effect for a considerable time. And it can often be almost a complete mystery. Medicine is not perfect by any means.
So when something does go wrong, it can have a debilitating effect for a considerable time. And it can often be almost a complete mystery. Medicine is not perfect by any means.
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Out of interest, obviously I don't know the info you have but if the source saying cadel doped offered anything more specific than an opinion, what could a source saying he is clean say to conflict with that?Nick777 said:It's been there a while.. here is a pic from 1998.
I don't know whether he has doped - I have heard 2-3 sources (and I trust all three) say conflicting things. Cycling sucks like that..
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nah, look at how the cleft has developed and his jaw has increased in size.
only one thing matters, not genetics. it matters what his own bone structure was, and what it was when the bones fused (22-24). If his jaw has grown then, did he have a problem with his pituitary? this is a possible explanation.
only one thing matters, not genetics. it matters what his own bone structure was, and what it was when the bones fused (22-24). If his jaw has grown then, did he have a problem with his pituitary? this is a possible explanation.
the guy has a massive chin. and always has had that. It happens.
he also has avoided controversy by being a bit reclusive. It just doesn't seem that a person of his personality would be 'UCI Protected' like Armstrong et al.
maybe he is clean, maybe he would have dominated everything if it weren't for dopers. Maybe he was supposed to be the next Merckx.
Or maybe he is just a massive doper, or a smaller scale doper.
either way, his chin has always been massive.
he also has avoided controversy by being a bit reclusive. It just doesn't seem that a person of his personality would be 'UCI Protected' like Armstrong et al.
maybe he is clean, maybe he would have dominated everything if it weren't for dopers. Maybe he was supposed to be the next Merckx.
Or maybe he is just a massive doper, or a smaller scale doper.
either way, his chin has always been massive.
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observer said:
completely missing the issue dude.
you one issue voters, who come to The Clinic as fans, and bring your biases, are really starting to grate.
Most on the clinic who believe all at the pointy end, are doping, do not think that all at the pointy end are bad people.
most have made just the opposite case, we do not know them as individuals, and do not judge them in any binary ethical context, of good and bad. Doping has nothing to do with being a inferior person of bad character.
It is the one issue voters and johnny come lately fans who bring this lens to view the sport.
If I may be so presumptuous to speak on behalf of the Clinic, we do not see an athlete of low moral repute, and worthy of (intimate, personal) disdain for doping.
In fact, most on the Clinic would be for doping, if it was fairer, and did not induct the next Vandenbrouke Pantani Manzanon Ricco or Kirchen.
a healthier, and more even playing field, so the barrier to entry that doping now places, is lessened, allowing clean or cleaner riders to eek out a career.
in this respect, jonny vee might just be achieving something.
the clinic will contest being sold a bill of goods, and told to keep believing in the emperors maillot jaune. no one likes accepting BS after BS, and the lies are an affront to ones intelligence.
one issue voters can go to hell
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The Hitch said:
Leaving some well connected people from this board out of it..
I have a couple of friends in Melbourne who are well connected in cycling... one 'friend of a friend', as they say, has known Cadel for years, and said point blank that Cadel is clean. He is well known, extremely well connected, and many on this board would know who he is. Of course...in cycling, those words mean ****** all.
Then another friend told me a few weeks back that Cadel had taken stuff, but more for getting over an injury rather than 'doping' per se. He got his info from someone that should know - a person just as well connected as the first guy I mentioned, and most Aussie fans would have heard of this guy.
So.. it gets pretty confusing for an average fan.
Let me get it on record... I would love Cadel to be clean, but seriously? I think the chances are better that I will somehow marry Pippa Middleton.
blackcat said:
I'm not missing the point. And given history of cycling, both recent and long term, it would be natural to assume that most of the peloton is doping, including Evans. I didn't actually state if I thought Evans was a doper or not, nor did I make judgement on his character.
All I said was I don't think he would be a protected rider from the UCI point of view given his awkward media persona, its just not that bankable for them.
I just think its stupid to look at the guy's chin, and try to make any sort of conclusion at all. Similar to looking at a jaw in a few photos. You simply cannot tell from photos. That is all.
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yes you damn can.
get a 2006 Evans after the 2000 july french kms
now have a look at a 2006 urijah faber the UFC mma fighter.
check out their jaws NOW.
you can indeed, see there is a difference. now, the athletes may have just had a tumour on the pituitary gland. this is a legitimate chance. because the jaw has definitely grown.
not comparing him to a mtb'er in the later 90's or his old man, or his mom. throw the genetics out. what was his adult bone structure after the bones had fused. then, compare it to now.
jonny vee can talk of foreheads growing.
the size of the jaw aint the point. i have a horse face like hincapie too. if i was a cyclist on testo and hgh, i would have a largER jaw than I do, and if there were pictures, you may tell the difference, pending my doping program.
it is about DIFFERENCE. will never change the natural bonestructure, it just may have thickened and lengthened facial plates eh.
get a 2006 Evans after the 2000 july french kms
now have a look at a 2006 urijah faber the UFC mma fighter.
check out their jaws NOW.
you can indeed, see there is a difference. now, the athletes may have just had a tumour on the pituitary gland. this is a legitimate chance. because the jaw has definitely grown.
not comparing him to a mtb'er in the later 90's or his old man, or his mom. throw the genetics out. what was his adult bone structure after the bones had fused. then, compare it to now.
jonny vee can talk of foreheads growing.
the size of the jaw aint the point. i have a horse face like hincapie too. if i was a cyclist on testo and hgh, i would have a largER jaw than I do, and if there were pictures, you may tell the difference, pending my doping program.
it is about DIFFERENCE. will never change the natural bonestructure, it just may have thickened and lengthened facial plates eh.
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Nick777 said:
sittingbison said:
Both of your points are true, and in both cases it was determined what you were suffering from.
If Evans has had a virus, I have no real doubt he knows what it was/is. In which case, it might do him some huge credibility to have named it. Being vague about this stuff makes it sound like you are blowing smoke.
BTW, I work in the healthcare world and have my own 'run in' with viruses, so I am not ignorant to the impacts such illnesses can have on the elite athlete.
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I think he would know the likelihood as well, but given his entire career history of brevity, plus the incident that Dear Wiggo sometimes refers to (Hunters??) from around 2004-2005, plus the concept of not divulging to your competitors your strengths or weaknesses, it doesn't surprise me he is keeping mum about it.
The real issue is not Evans, its also Hushovd and Gilbert at the same time although Gilbert obviously came good late in the season. Which brings about the suspicions of malpractice - bad blood bags and the like.
The real issue is not Evans, its also Hushovd and Gilbert at the same time although Gilbert obviously came good late in the season. Which brings about the suspicions of malpractice - bad blood bags and the like.
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I get being confident and positive and optimistic but holy sidewalls, batman. How does this guy talk about riding well at the Giro when he's been underdone since last Tour pretty much. 
I'd love to see him podium Giro and win the Tour again. But Pat's jab at Cadel's TdF win increasing TV viewing in Tibet (ie 2 new viewers) kinda makes me think it's more likely another UK win via the Dawg.
I'd love to see him podium Giro and win the Tour again. But Pat's jab at Cadel's TdF win increasing TV viewing in Tibet (ie 2 new viewers) kinda makes me think it's more likely another UK win via the Dawg.
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Ripper said:
exactomundo which is why I think he would be very guarded about revealing his medical conditions this time around. Once bitten...
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really?
really............and i like the viewpoint that everyone is entitle to express their
view on the forum
personally i don't ever believe that a chunky wheelsucker like cadel could
ever have won the tour clean
i too feel he get's an easy ride as he is so quiet
Mark L
blackcat said:
really............and i like the viewpoint that everyone is entitle to express their
view on the forum
personally i don't ever believe that a chunky wheelsucker like cadel could
ever have won the tour clean
i too feel he get's an easy ride as he is so quiet
Mark L
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Evans, clean?
Yeah right!
Apologies if
A: This has already been done!
B: My joke was just incredibly lame!
(And, no. I'm not actually implying I believe he's doped!)
Yeah right!
Apologies if
A: This has already been done!
B: My joke was just incredibly lame!
(And, no. I'm not actually implying I believe he's doped!)
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Boo. Hiss...RedheadDane said:Evans, clean?
Yeah right!
Apologies if
A: This has already been done!
B: My joke was just incredibly lame!
(And, no. I'm not actually implying I believe he's doped!)
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